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[Heeden]

Fandango9641 wrote...

I consider the threat of the Reapers to be less a crutch than a measure of Shepards humanity and ability to respect and fight for the basic, inalienable rights of all life in the galaxy. Yes the universe is a complicated place and **** may indeed happen, but that in no way justifies accepting the explicit propositions of synthesis (or destroy or control for that matter). No doubt about it, the Reapers ‘solutions’ are horrendous and those supporting their use are morally stunted

You probably should have stopped playing when they tried to make you a Spectre, the council (and several other peeps) quite explicityl state that you have extraordinary authority and you should only take the position if you are willing to make difficult decisions and do what's necessary for what you believe is best for the galaxy.

[Wayning_Star]

Well, if our humanity is to be valued more than our dependence on technoloyg, in the best interests of the MEU, Synthesis with organics/synthics as life forms should not occur. In the eventually of this, any respect for synthtetic life is null to inflict on the MEU the reality that synthetic life is not really life, to rationalize this as sythetic intelligent life is not life in this view,merely an advanced program, developed by organics,for organic, to do with as they need. This decision, if made, removes technology as nothing more than a passing fad, our ideals regarding what "life" represents in general, is null and void and should be disregarded for another concept. If non organic supposed life forms are to be created, they cannot co exist with organic life, so we cannot research/develope or conceptualize any form of sentient technology. In that regard, organics must not persue technology in their own defense against it, synthesis would not be necessary to associate our identity to technology, barring spontainious creation of sentient synthetic beings.

If we cannot co exist with the synthetic self concept,even if borrowed/donated from organics, or any 'sentient' life form, we will have to destroy that part of our selves/intellect, that insist on the creation of technology that requires a self awareness/identity, and/or all organic simulative programming. Organics will have to 'not need' it/that/them, to remove the need to remove the threat, real or imagined.

But in respect to the current MEU situation, the cat is already out of the bag, making the eventuality of a technology free existance impossible. The eventual spontainious creation of synthetic intelligent life is inevitible, as technology is already the biggest part of the so called sentient "human/organic" condition. It is 'part of life', (whatever that is?).

If organics insist on utilizing technology in this way, Synthesis is as enevitable as the demand that technology be an integral part of organic sentient life.

note: If this realization pertains to the image of an interglactic threat posed by sythesis, depends on the threat organics pose on themselves in their assessment of viability of spontainious synthetic sentience anywhere in 'known' space.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 07 juillet 2012 - 02:21 .

[Heeden]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Ah yes, the greater good:

Megalomania  (ˌmɛɡələʊˈmeɪnɪə)

1. A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.
2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions.

Hardly a delusion, the (admittedly controversial) duties of a Spectre are well explained in ME1, the council clearly invests you with that authority and the entire galaxy works together to make that power a reality.

No man, alien, organisation or deistic space-child has the moral authority to make that particular choice and there's just no talking around it I'm afraid.

I do understand the point of view that Refuse is the only moral option but I can't ignore consequences, and in that department Refusal is sorely lacking.

[Wayning_Star]

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because the walk away decision is made "extra game", that is in real time, refuses to admit to the reality of the decisions "forced upon us" from within the game. It's like shutting off the computer game to grumble about the commercials on TV.

[Rustedness]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Heeden wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Ah yes, the greater good:

Megalomania  (ˌmɛɡələʊˈmeɪnɪə)

1. A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.
2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions.

Hardly a delusion, the (admittedly controversial) duties of a Spectre are well explained in ME1, the council clearly invests you with that authority and the entire galaxy works together to make that power a reality.

No man, alien, organisation or deistic space-child has the moral authority to make that particular choice and there's just no talking around it I'm afraid.

I do understand the point of view that Refuse is the only moral option but I can't ignore consequences, and in that department Refusal is sorely lacking.

Ok, though it's clear we disagree, I'm happy to leave things there (and thank you for seeing my point).

A peaceable conclusion with mutual respect in a debate? On BSN? I think I may need to lay down...