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[The Angry One]

tettenjager wrote...

But WHY whould it? If it is that evil why does it let you replace or destroy him without a fight? And lets look at your claims.

Because it has determined that the cycle is unviable or close to unviable for reasons known only to itself, therefore it will shape the future of the galaxy one way or another.
Given that the next cycle will destroy it outright, it has good reason to think this way, mind you.

"But you killed the rest."

"We helped them ascend."  => into reaper form, pinnacle of evolution. check

How about the billions it kills? Turns into husks?
Remember the child it's taking the form of? The child it blew up?

How about the Quarians? Or the Protheans?

"The Crucible has changed me. Given me new possibilities."  
"The Crucible is little more than a power source." => more power gives morepossibilities, what is wrong with this?

How does it "change it"?
Why would power generation be an issue for it? Reapers are basically perpetual motion machines.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:11 .

[mauro2222]

tettenjager wrote...

"We helped them ascend."  => into reaper form, pinnacle of evolution. check

Isn't synthesis the pinnacle of evolution? I mean, the reapers are little more than flying containers of people woo.

That damn kid.

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:13 .

[OnlyHazeRemains]

The Angry One wrote...
And he continues with the posturing! Right, you're officially ignored. You have spent about 5 posts now continually ranting about how I don't anything while evading every point I made.
I appreciate debate, but you refuse to do anything other than make attacks because you dislike what I say, probably because deep down, like all synthesis supporters, you know I'm right.

Good day.

Oh the level of ignorance!
Youre not making points, youre forcing your opinion down everyones throat who dares to disagree.

srlsy,

fu ck    o f f

Modifié par Samurai_Smartie, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:12 .

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Might I mention that' just one page? Maybe, ol' angry one, its just you?

Your outright attempts to mislead, evade and lie about what others have said along with your insults say otherwise.

I haven't lied once. I've seen you commonly in Synthesis thread spreading your trivial and contrived excuses for why you hate synthesis. If some dares like it, you turn these illogical tool against them. For example, saying they're evading questions they answered to you just recently?

Its all too common for you, really.

And he continues with the posturing! Right, you're officially ignored. You have spent about 5 posts now continually ranting about how I don't anything while evading every point I made.
I appreciate debate, but you refuse to do anything other than make attacks because you dislike what I say, probably because deep down, like all synthesis supporters, you know I'm right.

Good day.

Haha! Proof of the day. 

"probably because deep down, like all synthesis supporters, you know I'm right."

You're just here because you don't like it and want to discredit it anyway you can? I can see it in the way you post. That was just icing on the cake.

I was going to end this this post anyways, since you were nice enough to take it off-topic in the first place. Have fun with your continued history of illogical forum arguments to make you feel better. 

[Pacifien]

Vigilant111 wrote...
Then why do u assume the worse about singularity? It could be a good thing for organics, no?

I don't. I chose Synthesis.

I don't agree with the opinions that it removes free will, makes everyone the same, nor makes the future a utopia.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

1.) Preventing individual aggression was never the goal. It's technological advancement for organics, understanding for synthetics.

And stopping conflict.

No, only preventing the specific scenario where hostile synthetics would wipe out all organics. Other conflict is up to us to prevent.

2.) Reapers were not seeking to prevent organics' aggression with the cycles. Good lord, do you pay no attention?

"You represent chaos. We represent order."

Sorry but the Bill Casey method doesn't work. You can regurgitate quotes all you want but it means nothing if you don't prove it fits the interpretation you're trying to suggest.

They are only bringing order insofar as they are preventing the chaos of conflict with synthetics and the potential technological singularity.

3.) The synthetics threat is neutralized completely. Future conflict or not, they will not be able to surpass the overall synthesis galaxy.

How is it neutralised? What will stop the rise or new synthetics? Why will those new synthetics now surpass hybrids? How will hybrid synthetics never be a problem?

New synthetics won't surpass hybrids. Hybrids have acquired their capabilities, they're no longer bound by hardware limitations that makes synthetics superior.

4/5.) LMAO! Where did you get that idea, your ass?

OP, you haven't a single clue. Then again, that can be said for just about everyone here who bashes green anyway.

And people ask me why I regard pro-synthesizers the way I do..

Yeah, yeah. We get it - it's not trolling if YOU do it because you're so cute and angry! 

Page'd!

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

No, only preventing the specific scenario where hostile synthetics would wipe out all organics. Other conflict is up to us to prevent.

The Catalyst's new dialogue disagrees.

Sorry but the Bill Casey method doesn't work. You can regurgitate quotes all you want but it means nothing if you don't prove it fits the interpretation you're trying to suggest

They are only bringing order insofar as they are preventing the chaos of conflict with synthetics and the potential technological singularity.

Why would organics specifically represent chaos in that scenario?
Why would the Catalyst say "We impose order on the chaos of organic life"?

Don't complain because I'm using more quotes because they don't convene you.

New synthetics won't surpass hybrids. Hybrids have acquired their capabilities, they're no longer bound by hardware limitations that makes synthetics superior.

Synthetics will always be superior to hybrids. They are more flexible, can exist in hostile enviroments without aid, are not limited by part-organic brains, etc. etc.

Yeah, yeah. We get it - it's not trolling if YOU do it because you're so cute and angry! 

Oh please, all you do is yell and scream to defend your precious imposition of "upgrades" on life without it's consent. It's getting tiresome. We get it. You think life will be oh so superior. Sorry, we think the price is too damn high.

[AngryFrozenWater]

@Samurai_Smartie: If you cannot behave then please join another topic.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

This thread has me singing: www.youtube.com/watch

[mauro2222]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

New synthetics won't surpass hybrids. Hybrids have acquired their capabilities, they're no longer bound by hardware limitations that makes synthetics superior.

You can't know that, everyone is going to develop separatly. And there are still synthetics, the only hybrids are organics. Unless Geth have flesh pinned in ther bodies.

And we can speculate that evolution can find this "upgrades" as unnecesary or irrelevant and reject them in the next generations, or simply evolve over them rendering them useless.

Edit: ****ty edition.

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:20 .

[The Angry One]

mauro2222 wrote...

And we can speculate that evolution can find this "upgrades" as unnecesary or irrelevant and reject them in the next generations.

That'd be so damn funny.

Catalyst: "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

EVOLUTION SAYS: NO

[Vigilant111]

The Angry One wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And we can speculate that evolution can find this "upgrades" as unnecesary or irrelevant and reject them in the next generations.

That'd be so damn funny.

Catalyst: "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

EVOLUTION SAYS: NO

Continued:

Catalyst: Who do u work for?

Evolution: I work for life, and your father is my brother

Modifié par Vigilant111, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:23 .

[Baronesa]

Vigilant111 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And we can speculate that evolution can find this "upgrades" as unnecesary or irrelevant and reject them in the next generations.

That'd be so damn funny.

Catalyst: "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

EVOLUTION SAYS: NO

Continued:

Catalyst: Who do u work for?

Evolution: I work for life, and your father is my brother

Continued:

Catalyst: But I'm offering the pinnacle of evolution!

Richard Dawkins: "Kindly F*** Off!!"

[mauro2222]

LOL...

And getting back to the hybrid thing topic.

I think is correct to call them cyborgs rather than hybrids.

[lx_theo]

Baronesa wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

And we can speculate that evolution can find this "upgrades" as unnecesary or irrelevant and reject them in the next generations.

That'd be so damn funny.

Catalyst: "Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

EVOLUTION SAYS: NO

Continued:

Catalyst: Who do u work for?

Evolution: I work for life, and your father is my brother

Continued:

Catalyst: But I'm offering the pinnacle of evolution!

Richard Dawkins: "Kindly F*** Off!!"

Honestly I think that's a misconception of the statement. It doesn't mean the best life can be, simply that is the best form of life in their knowledge, to combine synthetic and organic and give it the best of both worlds. 

The line itself gives a bad assortment of mix interpretations, but this one at least makes sense (and no, assuming it must be the one that doesn't make sense for the sake of making the Catalyst seem less logical is not reasonable).

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

No, only preventing the specific scenario where hostile synthetics would wipe out all organics. Other conflict is up to us to prevent.

The Catalyst's new dialogue disagrees.

No.

Sorry but the Bill Casey method doesn't work. You can regurgitate quotes all you want but it means nothing if you don't prove it fits the interpretation you're trying to suggest

They are only bringing order insofar as they are preventing the chaos of conflict with synthetics and the potential technological singularity.

Why would organics specifically represent chaos in that scenario?
Why would the Catalyst say "We impose order on the chaos of organic life"?

Don't complain because I'm using more quotes because they don't convene you.

No complaints here. Taking your quotes and showing how they support me and not you is very helpful!

Organics represent chaos because their only way to advance forward is to create machines they can not live peacefully with and will continually fight with. You know, the definition of 'chaos.' They believe this because the Catalyst oversaw relations with organics and synthetics that always turned hostile. Every Reaper is indoctrinated with that idea in mind.

They impose order by preventing that conflict through harvesting.

It's really not that complex.

New synthetics won't surpass hybrids. Hybrids have acquired their capabilities, they're no longer bound by hardware limitations that makes synthetics superior.

Synthetics will always be superior to hybrids. They are more flexible, can exist in hostile enviroments without aid, are not limited by part-organic brains, etc. etc.

#citation needed.

Yeah, yeah. We get it - it's not trolling if YOU do it because you're so cute and angry! 

Oh please, all you do is yell and scream to defend your precious imposition of "upgrades" on life without it's consent. It's getting tiresome. We get it. You think life will be oh so superior. Sorry, we think the price is too damn high.

I don't yell. I laugh. It may be hard to differentiate because I laugh loudly, and laugh AT people rather than with them in their anti-synth circlejerks.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

mauro2222 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

New synthetics won't surpass hybrids. Hybrids have acquired their capabilities, they're no longer bound by hardware limitations that makes synthetics superior.

You can't know that, everyone is going to develop separatly. And there are still synthetics, the only hybrids are organics. Unless Geth have flesh pinned in ther bodies.

What are you talking about? It is outlined very clearly what the change is going to be, how it applies to both synthetics and organics.

If you paid attention, you'd know why that doesn't entail fleshy synthetics and organics with metal parts.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

No.

Yes. Want to keep going?

No complaints here. Taking your quotes and showing how they support me and not you is very helpful!

Organics represent chaos because their only way to advance forward is to create machines they can not live peacefully with and will continually fight with. You know, the definition of 'chaos.' They believe this because the Catalyst oversaw relations with organics and synthetics that always turned hostile. Every Reaper is indoctrinated with that idea in mind.

You just made Occam cry with how many twists and turns you went through to come up with that reasoning.

They impose order by preventing that conflict through harvesting.

It's really not that complex.

This being why you convoluted it into oblivion?
The meaning behind the words is clear, your reasoning is a mess. But then, you'd make the Catalyst proud.

#citation needed.

Common sense?

I don't yell. I laugh. It may be hard to differentiate because I laugh loudly, and laugh AT people rather than with them in their anti-synth circlejerks.

You're the one who said you'd augment people without their permission and you wonder why people argue against you?

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:33 .

[tettenjager]

Baronesa wrote...

tettenjager wrote...

Unless there is a mass effect 4 or post ending DLC (not likely) there is no reason to presume that the catalyst lies

Even if he is not lying...

He is acitng on an assumption that has no basis on reality... Synthetics HAVE NEVER WIPED OUT ALL ORGANICS!!

Again, the key here is ALL organics.

The Catalyst rpesumes this outcome and creates it's solution... and even if it is not a crazy AI, even if it is sincere and telling you the truth about it's motives... it does not change the fact that you can still DISAGREE with it. Because from the information I got on the 3 games, I arrive to the conclusion that the premise the Catalyst use is FALSE (does not mean the catalyst does not tihnk it is the absolute truth)

True. If all organics where killed then it could not have saved them. very true

But the Catalyst is a computer. It has calculated the best solution (it has tried other and they failed) and this is the reaper solution. Should if had waited to see if all organics would have died, then it whould not have done its job very good huh?

And the fact that you can disagree, excelent, fine, love it! I think that the catalyst concluded thatlike 99.9 % of the time (that just sounds so computery:p ) organics and AI fight to the death. But maybe this cycle is that 0.1 procent, maybe we are different, and this then is props to the destroy ending or the refusal (we have evolved past this conflict or something). This is why imo the catalyst says "you have hope, more then you know".

BUT what if it is right all along?

There are many visions about the ending, and that is great. And there is no vision that is better in comparison to another
These visions and discussions we would'nt have had if they ended it hollywood style. So im glad they didn't

[Baronesa]

tettenjager wrote...

True. If all organics where killed then it could not have saved them. very true

But the Catalyst is a computer. It has calculated the best solution (it has tried other and they failed) and this is the reaper solution. Should if had waited to see if all organics would have died, then it whould not have done its job very good huh?

And the fact that you can disagree, excelent, fine, love it! I think that the catalyst concluded thatlike 99.9 % of the time (that just sounds so computery:p ) organics and AI fight to the death. But maybe this cycle is that 0.1 procent, maybe we are different, and this then is props to the destroy ending or the refusal (we have evolved past this conflict or something). This is why imo the catalyst says "you have hope, more then you know".

BUT what if it is right all along?

There are many visions about the ending, and that is great. And there is no vision that is better in comparison to another
These visions and discussions we would'nt have had if they ended it hollywood style. So im glad they didn't

If it is right, then it is something we'll have to face at the right time, without a super AI overlord to make decisions that are ours.

Regarding the calculations, input bad data into a computer and you'll get faulty results. I think that is the key here. You accept the premise, and I don't. From that difference alone all others become more clear.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

No.

Yes. Want to keep going?

He never says it.

No complaints here. Taking your quotes and showing how they support me and not you is very helpful!

Organics represent chaos because their only way to advance forward is to create machines they can not live peacefully with and will continually fight with. You know, the definition of 'chaos.' They believe this because the Catalyst oversaw relations with organics and synthetics that always turned hostile. Every Reaper is indoctrinated with that idea in mind.

You just made Occam cry with how many twists and turns you went through to come up with that reasoning.

Is that the best you can do? Clearly, if my interpretation is wildly inaccurate, it would not be difficult for you to point out how that is. I wonder why you didn't even try.

And your ******-poor understanding of all things lore shines again.

They impose order by preventing that conflict through harvesting.

It's really not that complex.

This being why you convoluted it into oblivion?
The meaning behind the words is clear, your reasoning is a mess. But then, you'd make the Catalyst proud.

If you think that simple concept is convoluted I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to help you understand a thing.

#citation needed.

Common sense?

I fail to see how you came to this conclusion through "common sense" ... and it's too bad you can't demonstrate that common sense to interpret a very straightfoward idea of organic chaos and Reaper order.

I don't yell. I laugh. It may be hard to differentiate because I laugh loudly, and laugh AT people rather than with them in their anti-synth circlejerks.

You're the one who said you'd augment people without their permission and you wonder why people argue against you?

lol no I didn't. Nice try.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 04 juillet 2012 - 02:49 .

[Fawx9]

Rubios wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

tettenjager wrote...

True. If all organics where killed then it could not have saved them. very true

But the Catalyst is a computer. It has calculated the best solution (it has tried other and they failed) and this is the reaper solution. Should if had waited to see if all organics would have died, then it whould not have done its job very good huh?

And the fact that you can disagree, excelent, fine, love it! I think that the catalyst concluded thatlike 99.9 % of the time (that just sounds so computery:p ) organics and AI fight to the death. But maybe this cycle is that 0.1 procent, maybe we are different, and this then is props to the destroy ending or the refusal (we have evolved past this conflict or something). This is why imo the catalyst says "you have hope, more then you know".

BUT what if it is right all along?

There are many visions about the ending, and that is great. And there is no vision that is better in comparison to another
These visions and discussions we would'nt have had if they ended it hollywood style. So im glad they didn't

If it is right, then it is something we'll have to face at the right time, without a super AI overlord to make decisions that are ours.

The choice is Shepard's now, that is the whole point of the endings.

1) Destory and Refuse are the only two choices the catalyst doesn't want.

2) Control can be implmented by space brat anytime he felt like it. "Oh maybe I should just blast the idiots that are fighting instead of killing everyone"

3) Synthesis is what he wants the most.

It doesn't matter if shepard is choosing 50% (66% for original) of the choices are stacked in the star brats favour.

[Cutlass Jack]

Pacifien wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
Then why do u assume the worse about singularity? It could be a good thing for organics, no?

I don't. I chose Synthesis.

I don't agree with the opinions that it removes free will, makes everyone the same, nor makes the future a utopia.

I agree with you. I thought it was pretty clear in the EC what it would do.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

He never says it.

It says organic life is chaotic.

Is that the best you can do? Clearly, if my interpretation is wildly inaccurate, it would not be difficult for you to point out how that is. I wonder why you didn't even try.

I don't have to. You're making up reasoning chains that make little sense when the intent of it's dialogue is obvious - organic life is chaotic. Unpredictable by nature. That it can construct synthetic life is but one aspect of that.

And your ******-poor understanding of all things lore shines again.

More insults from another synthesis supporter because you can't handle the fact that deep down you know that synthesis is a vile joke.

If you think that simple concept is convoluted I'm afraid there's nothing I can do to help you understand a thing.

Simple!? You make so many twists and turns to reach your conclusion that I'm surprised you're not dizzy.

I fail to see how you came to this conclusion through "common sense" ... and it's too bad you can't demonstrate that common sense to interpret a very straightfoward idea of organic chaos and Reaper order.

I have already demonstrated why, repeatedly. Can hybrids survive in as many hostile enviroments without aid? No. Will a pure synthetic have more computing power than a hybrid? Always. Etc. etc.

Do you want to place bets on wrestling match between hybrid James Vega and a purely synthetic Geth Prime?
I'm betting on the Geth Prime.

lol no I didn't. Nice try.

You said so repeatedly just a month ago. "For our own good". As I recall.