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[T-Kay]

I was really disappointed by the Wardens Keep DLC. It's a castle with a couple of rooms. Some badies and a new armorset. After you complete it (takes about 20 minutes) you only get to enter the front gate! You do get to access two superior shops and a chest to store your items, but in my opinion they should have just added this thing to the main game and not force us to pay more for it by setting it up as a DLC. Moreover, they should have added all of the upcoming DLC's to the main game as well.



Imagine what they're doing now on BGII for instance. All of the areas outside of Athcatla would be DLC's! WTF!

[Skydiver8888]

You should buy it so the poor Bioware folks can eat! Think of their children, starving in the cold wintry streets of Edmonton, wearing ratty old coats and gloves with holes in the fingers, carrying tin cans and begging for coins from the passersby.



"Pardon me sir, can you spare a dime, eh? Those mean gamers think my da works for free and they can't pay him no more!"



But seriously, if you don't want the DLC, don't buy the frackin' DLC. I'm sure your time will be much better spent sifting through hundreds of voiceless, poorly-written, shoddily-designed player-made mods to find the few genuinely good ones that might rival the quality of the Bioware-made DLC.



damn, that was a lot of hyphenated words in one paragraph. go me!

[T-Kay]

Skydiver8888 wrote...

You should buy it so the poor Bioware folks can eat! Think of their children, starving in the cold wintry streets of Edmonton, wearing ratty old coats and gloves with holes in the fingers, carrying tin cans and begging for coins from the passersby.

"Pardon me sir, can you spare a dime, eh? Those mean gamers think my da works for free and they can't pay him no more!"

But seriously, if you don't want the DLC, don't buy the frackin' DLC. I'm sure your time will be much better spent sifting through hundreds of voiceless, poorly-written, shoddily-designed player-made mods to find the few genuinely good ones that might rival the quality of the Bioware-made DLC.

damn, that was a lot of hyphenated words in one paragraph. go me!

If you do't want it, don't buy it. That's the lamest excuse in defense of DLC's ever. This stuff should already be IN the main game, not offered later. The main game's too linear as it is. And just because it's optional doesn't mean the price is right.

[Skydiver8888]

All right, if not DLC, what DO you want?



Nothing?



oh, right, I'm sorry...will you be the ones in 6 months whining about how there's no expansion yet?



All I see is people whining about the DLC concept, but not offering any alternative. So I have to assume you think all new content developed by Bioware must be a bad thing.



I want more Bioware content. They're the greatest game developer out there, and they are adding to this great game...how is this bad, again?

[Lord Phoebus]

I don't have a problem with DLC but I do have a problem with the price. You're basically paying 1/5 of the game's price for something that's 1/50th of the length of the game. It didn't even take 1/50th of the resources to produce since they're reusing art resources, the game engine etc. I guess part of this goes towards recouping their initial investment on producing the game. But it's a disingenuous way of doing this.



As long as there are people dumb enough to pay for it at such a high mark up, I guess it makes good business sense for them to continue.

[Original182]

I'm not complaining about DLCs in general. I thought they're like the mini version of expansions. I'm also not complaining about the $5 price tag. I understand they need to make money, and I'm not expecting them to give it to me for free.

What I'm against however, is that the length of the content does not justify its price tag. a $5 DLC should last me 8 hours if fully completed, and I'm using the main Dragon Age game as the measuring stick ($50 = 80 hours). Would people buy Dragon Age if it only takes them 8 hours to complete instead of 80 hours?

I just want DLCs that are worth the money. And as a paying customer, I have the right to tell Bioware to give us quality DLCs before I buy them.

It's like for the Sims 3 store. Are you sure you want to pay $5 just to get a new window? It feels like a ripoff, and that's how I feel for DLCs that have short durations.

Modifié par Original182, 16 décembre 2009 - 09:22 .

[NoAngel89]

lol I know right, I think this would of automatically come with the game, if your preordered it from game stop I think, not too sure. But yeah, I mean content is stuff you buy long after the game is released, but not during its release. It think they were adveritsing this content before the game was released, I could be wrong, but if I'm not, than that doesn't make sense. It feels weird. I know bioware is amazing, but I can't shake the feeling that they can be hungry money suckers sometimes. 15 dollars for Shale, WTF thats just content, I could buy entire totally different game, with hours of gameplay, with that cash. Ha man, I don't know what else to say. I mean that content seems to be an important part of the story. I just recently started play it, but I hope the story isn't dull, because that keep shaving the pounds off the story, than selling the fat, for more taste. Feels weird, it should have never been made like that in the first place.

Modifié par NoAngel89, 16 décembre 2009 - 09:32 .

[T-Kay]

Skydiver8888 wrote...



All right, if not DLC, what DO you want?



Nothing?



oh, right, I'm sorry...will you be the ones in 6 months whining about how there's no expansion yet?



All I see is people whining about the DLC concept, but not offering any alternative. So I have to assume you think all new content developed by Bioware must be a bad thing.



I want more Bioware content. They're the greatest game developer out there, and they are adding to this great game...how is this bad, again?

All these DLC's were already available at release time. And I have offered alternatives. Adding the content to the main game at release time was the first one. Having longer DLC's (campaigns) for your cash is the second one. A 5 dollar DLC should at least offer 5 hours of gameplay, but that doesn't work for every currency. You see. The Wardens Keep is almost 5,60 Euro's which is over 8 American dollars. This means 8 hours not 5 and a half. Honnleath is really expensive and offers a new companion and about 1.5 hours of extra gameplay. It's not evening out in terms of price and content.



As NoAngel89 says for little over 15 dollars you can buy a new game.



On top of that DLC's shouldn't be needed for at least half a year. The fact that they are so numerous now just enforces the fact that the main game is not complete.

[Jonfon_ire]

T-Kay wrote...

Skydiver8888 wrote...

All right, if not DLC, what DO you want?

Nothing?

oh, right, I'm sorry...will you be the ones in 6 months whining about how there's no expansion yet?

All I see is people whining about the DLC concept, but not offering any alternative. So I have to assume you think all new content developed by Bioware must be a bad thing.

I want more Bioware content. They're the greatest game developer out there, and they are adding to this great game...how is this bad, again?

All these DLC's were already available at release time. And I have offered alternatives. Adding the content to the main game at release time was the first one. Having longer DLC's (campaigns) for your cash is the second one. A 5 dollar DLC should at least offer 5 hours of gameplay, but that doesn't work for every currency. You see. The Wardens Keep is almost 5,60 Euro's which is over 8 American dollars. This means 8 hours not 5 and a half. Honnleath is really expensive and offers a new companion and about 1.5 hours of extra gameplay. It's not evening out in terms of price and content.

As NoAngel89 says for little over 15 dollars you can buy a new game.

On top of that DLC's shouldn't be needed for at least half a year. The fact that they are so numerous now just enforces the fact that the main game is not complete.

Jesus, how many times folks : THE STONE PRISONER IS FREE WITH THE GAME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO GET IT. 

Ahem.

That said Wardens Keep was a bit useless really. Personally I'd prefer 15 quid expansions with a wee story arc in them, small expansions basically. No need to add new mechanics or classes really, just some neat new storylines. That's my main issue with things like Wardens Keep and Return to Ostegar. Very little time to develop a decent story from them. Wardens Keep tried to get one going but it was so short it didn't have a lot of impact for me. When Shale said "Oh, I will miss this place" when we were leaving I actually laughed. We'd only been there 30 mins or so.

[Evilsod]

Indeed... the inclusion of Shale i could fully realise as a DLC... if it wasn't released BEFORE the game was even out yet. Charging for that content is utterly ****ing retarded. Not to mention they also charged for Wardens Keep, which offers very little apart from 2 'slightly better than everything else' items. The usual power creep of new content.



Wardens isn't worth the price by a long shot. Shale *would* of been £5 if it hadn't been done before the game was out.



DLC is becoming an excuse to release less content with the released game just so you can charge for it later. Releasing an 'expansion' for £15-20 is still not something you buy up immediately unless you actually think its worth the money. It just means it wants more content.



Try and tell me the entire Shivering Isles expansion for Oblivion isn't worth the price. Wardens Keep, content wise, doesn't even cover the starting area where you gain access to the rest of the content.

[NoAngel89]

Jonfon_ire wrote...

T-Kay wrote...

Skydiver8888 wrote...

All right, if not DLC, what DO you want?

Nothing?

oh, right, I'm sorry...will you be the ones in 6 months whining about how there's no expansion yet?

All I see is people whining about the DLC concept, but not offering any alternative. So I have to assume you think all new content developed by Bioware must be a bad thing.

I want more Bioware content. They're the greatest game developer out there, and they are adding to this great game...how is this bad, again?

All these DLC's were already available at release time. And I have offered alternatives. Adding the content to the main game at release time was the first one. Having longer DLC's (campaigns) for your cash is the second one. A 5 dollar DLC should at least offer 5 hours of gameplay, but that doesn't work for every currency. You see. The Wardens Keep is almost 5,60 Euro's which is over 8 American dollars. This means 8 hours not 5 and a half. Honnleath is really expensive and offers a new companion and about 1.5 hours of extra gameplay. It's not evening out in terms of price and content.

As NoAngel89 says for little over 15 dollars you can buy a new game.

On top of that DLC's shouldn't be needed for at least half a year. The fact that they are so numerous now just enforces the fact that the main game is not complete.

Jesus, how many times folks : THE STONE PRISONER IS FREE WITH THE GAME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO GET IT. 

Ahem.

That said Wardens Keep was a bit useless really. Personally I'd prefer 15 quid expansions with a wee story arc in them, small expansions basically. No need to add new mechanics or classes really, just some neat new storylines. That's my main issue with things like Wardens Keep and Return to Ostegar. Very little time to develop a decent story from them. Wardens Keep tried to get one going but it was so short it didn't have a lot of impact for me. When Shale said "Oh, I will miss this place" when we were leaving I actually laughed. We'd only been there 30 mins or so.

It is, until April 30, 2010, thats when codes in the retail box expire, so you see, its not entirely free, including the Dragon Blood Armor, than you have to get buy it after that. I'll stuck to what I said before. At least PC verson of Mass Effect had a free downloadable content (Bringing Down the Sky) that was 5 bucks on Xbox live. Whats happening to Bioware. Man, I hope they're not going microsoft on us lol. I really love these creators, the games they made in the past. Jade Empire, KOTOR, these are classics. They're really good.

Modifié par NoAngel89, 16 décembre 2009 - 10:05 .

[Brother Pain]

Wasn't Warden's Keep included in the digital limited edition of the game as compensation for not getting the physical stuff (cloth map) from the collector's edition?

[Forsakerr]

Brother Pain wrote...

Wasn't Warden's Keep included in the digital limited edition of the game as compensation for not getting the physical stuff (cloth map) from the collector's edition?

yup

[Gecon]

One buys extra content if one wants to go to a lot of hassle for a mere half an hour or so extra content.

[Gecon]

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Jesus, how many times folks : THE STONE PRISONER IS FREE WITH THE GAME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO GET IT. 

Nope it isnt. You pay with your identity.

[Jonfon_ire]

Gecon wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Jesus, how many times folks : THE STONE PRISONER IS FREE WITH THE GAME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO GET IT. 

Nope it isnt. You pay with your identity.

Meh, I wasn't using my identity anyway.

Now if only they'd start accepting souls as valid methods of payments I could use that too.

Of course it is EA, so they probably do have something like that in the works :innocent:

Modifié par Jonfon_ire, 16 décembre 2009 - 10:28 .

[Evilsod]

Brother Pain wrote...

Wasn't Warden's Keep included in the digital limited edition of the game as compensation for not getting the physical stuff (cloth map) from the collector's edition?

Its a DLC and it was substituted for other things you'd pay extra for but couldn't recieve. Doesn't make any difference.

[marshalleck]

T-Kay wrote...

Skydiver8888 wrote...

You should buy it so the poor Bioware folks can eat! Think of their children, starving in the cold wintry streets of Edmonton, wearing ratty old coats and gloves with holes in the fingers, carrying tin cans and begging for coins from the passersby.

"Pardon me sir, can you spare a dime, eh? Those mean gamers think my da works for free and they can't pay him no more!"

But seriously, if you don't want the DLC, don't buy the frackin' DLC. I'm sure your time will be much better spent sifting through hundreds of voiceless, poorly-written, shoddily-designed player-made mods to find the few genuinely good ones that might rival the quality of the Bioware-made DLC.

damn, that was a lot of hyphenated words in one paragraph. go me!

If you do't want it, don't buy it. That's the lamest excuse in defense of DLC's ever. This stuff should already be IN the main game, not offered later. The main game's too linear as it is. And just because it's optional doesn't mean the price is right.

DLC complaints are soooo 2006. Get with the times. The industry has left you behind.

If the content is not worth what they're asking, don't buy it. Exercise your right as a consumer to voice your dissatisfaction by withholding purchases. Not giving money to Bioware speaks louder than any amount of crying on the forum, which they already barely read due to the flood of idiocy that makes it nearly impossible to sort legitimate, well-reasoned complaints from copious amounts of baseless whining about how everything should be free.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 décembre 2009 - 10:52 .

[Lordwolf89]

as much as i want to deffend Bioware and the game i gotta say... that the price for the content is abit too high....i wouldnt mind to see some extra story... a few unique items and a companion within a DLC... which doesnt take 20 minutes to compleete... even some of the origin stories takes longer to compleete...you basicaly rush in, clear out hte area and are done with it...what i got suprised over was that you couldnt pay with the points you get from achivements... that would be great. the more you finish the game the more points you have... and would be a good reason for trying to get achivemetns as well

[T-Kay]

marshalleck wrote...

T-Kay wrote...

Skydiver8888 wrote...

You should buy it so the poor Bioware folks can eat! Think of their children, starving in the cold wintry streets of Edmonton, wearing ratty old coats and gloves with holes in the fingers, carrying tin cans and begging for coins from the passersby.

"Pardon me sir, can you spare a dime, eh? Those mean gamers think my da works for free and they can't pay him no more!"

But seriously, if you don't want the DLC, don't buy the frackin' DLC. I'm sure your time will be much better spent sifting through hundreds of voiceless, poorly-written, shoddily-designed player-made mods to find the few genuinely good ones that might rival the quality of the Bioware-made DLC.

damn, that was a lot of hyphenated words in one paragraph. go me!

If you do't want it, don't buy it. That's the lamest excuse in defense of DLC's ever. This stuff should already be IN the main game, not offered later. The main game's too linear as it is. And just because it's optional doesn't mean the price is right.

DLC complaints are soooo 2006. Get with the times. The industry has left you behind.

If the content is not worth what they're asking, don't buy it. Exercise your right as a consumer to voice your dissatisfaction by withholding purchases. Not giving money to Bioware speaks louder than any amount of crying on the forum, which they already barely read due to the flood of idiocy that makes it nearly impossible to sort legitimate, well-reasoned complaints from copious amounts of baseless whining about how everything should be free.

Thanks for the utterly useless defense of DLC's. I'll rephrase what you just said:
"DLC's are ok and it's fine to ask a high price for them because they've done it before. Right now it's fashionable to be ripped off. Also, you shouldn't complain about this, because pointing out unfair business is pointless. I also haven't read your post because I conclude that you want everything free."

[T-Kay]

You say worth "it". I'd like to make that more specific in a question and say: worth "what"?. you see. I like DLC if it gives me a reasonable amount of gameplay for the money I spend on it. It's for the same reason I don't want to spend 300 dollars on a game when it first comes out.

[marshalleck]

T-Kay wrote...

You say worth "it". I'd like to make that more specific in a question and say: worth "what"?. you see. I like DLC if it gives me a reasonable amount of gameplay for the money I spend on it. It's for the same reason I don't want to spend 300 dollars on a game when it first comes out.

And what we're all pointing out to you is painfully obvious: if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Nobody is twisting your arm.  The game is perfectly playable without any DLC. All this whining you're doing? Nobody cares. You've come to the decision it's not worth it to you, and you won't buy it. Congratulations, you made your own decision. Do you want a cookie? Why should we care?

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 décembre 2009 - 11:30 .

[Time4Tiddy]

Just a couple of quick points that have been made various times before but are worth considering again.



1. DLC that was available at game launch should have been included.



Well, mostly, it was. Also, the game has to go into testing and finish rounds of approval before it can get printed onto the zillions of disks. They had the full game finished months before it was released. Most likely once they released the game for testing and approvals, they started working on the first round of DLC, which means it COULDN'T just be part of the game, and it's also why the retail versions were able to include a code to get it free. Much easier to print up an extra slip of paper and stick it in the case.



2. DLC should be 8-10 hours if it's going to be $5.



Actually, if it was 8-10 hours they'd call it an expansion and charge $20 for it at retail. That's certainly what most games do. If you're willing to wait, the price will drop and they'll have a Game of the Year edition that includes all available DLC. If it's too expensive, don't buy it now. As with any video or computer game, the price will half in six months.



3. Party storage chest is an integral part of the game and should have been included without additional cost.



Actually, it's not. I have Warden's Keep and didn't even go there until right before the Landsmeet. I didn't even realize there was a party chest there, I mostly just made do buying all the backpacks and selling the non magical clutter. You know, the way that you do in most RPGs. Certainly it's not impossible to play the game without the party chest.

[LynxAQ]

The people who seem to believe they have this "right" to more content and free content after buying the base game, are the people who usually don't have a job or have a small part time job. I can't believe any normal person would complain about spending £5 for an hours entertainment when it costs these days £8+ to go watch a movie per person.



£5 is nothing to me, but then I have a good job and no for me I don't feel like I am being ripped off. I would gladly pay that every time a DLC is released.



The sooner the kiddies and jobless realise that its not going to change the better. I would put my hand out and say there are probably more people who have no problem with the DLC cost than there are who do have a problem with it.



You can call me a fruitcake for not agreeing with your opinion. Doesn't make your point any more stronger or valid.