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[legion999]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

legion999 wrote...
Thanix cannons, Cerberus tech and EDI.

No
they can mix reaper tech with their own (EDI)orbuild weapons with own tech based on reaper designs...though not the exact same firepower (thanix cannons)
and they can put reaper tech in people (IM and cerberus soldier)
but they can not replicate reaper tech
they use what reaper tech they find.
why do you think cerberus wanted the collector base for.

The Thanix cannon is a scaled down version of Sovereigns main gun, EDI has built from technology recover from Sovereign and Cerberus uses indoctrination and husk like technology. That seems like replicating Reaper tech to me.
I thought Cerberus wanted the base so they could control the Reapers.

[tanisha__unknown]

Normandy's cloaking, I guess.

[Apollo-XL5]

Cerberus wanted the collector base because of the technology it had. Why do you go to the cerberus base to collect reaper artifacts and tech if you can already replicate it. you cant. And when you say scaled down you mean in fire power since the taurians could not make the weapon to its full potential (reaper scale).

Heres an example from star trek ds9

They have the station, but they need the cardassian parts, because they cant replicate their technology.

do you see?

[Sire Styx]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but in ME2, during the geth heretic mission Joker say: "You know it's just our heat emissions that are hidden right? They can look out the window and see us coming"
And in ME3, the geth dreadnaught mission:
Joker says "The only way they'll detect us is if you start singing the russian national anthem."
and "Hey, take your time, Commander. We're fine until they, you know, look out a window."

Admittedly, the normandy crew didn't start to sing, and there were no windows for harbinger to look out of, but I find it hard to believe Harbinger didn't see the Normandy

So Harbinger saw the Normandy, so it must have decided not to fire on the Normandy. It couldn't have possibly known Shepard's intentions (it would take fanfic and that to make up a reason why). People say the Normandy was not a threat, but it that would be difficult for Harbinger to know, unless of course Harbinger is capable of very good multi-tasking. Which would mean that the reason the normandy wasn't shot couldn't be that Harbinger couldn't fire on multiple things/concentrate on multiple things.
Similarly, harbinger does shoot lasers at everything running up,. so it's not as if it's like the parts where Shepard climbs onto a canon, and can only shoot one thing at a time.

This leaves the IFF as the only possible reason I can see about why Harbinger wouldn't shoot the Normandy. However, I can't remember ever hearing that the IFF stops enemy ships attacking, only that it allows you through the omega relay. And infact, in ME2 the collector things still attack the Normandy, even with this IFF. So, does anyone have a link to where this IFF thing is said to protect people?

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The same thing happened during the intro, but no one complains about that.

I actually did complain it is in one of the Threads I made, well partially complaining.
I only referenced to this one.
That was more believable but still retarded.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12801808

Modifié par iAFKinMassEffect3, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:25 .

[Apollo-XL5]

Sire Styx wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted yet but in ME2, during the geth heretic mission Joker say: "You know it's just our heat emissions that are hidden right? They can look out the window and see us coming"
And in ME3, the geth dreadnaught mission:
Joker says "The only way they'll detect us is if you start singing the russian national anthem."
and "Hey, take your time, Commander. We're fine until they, you know, look out a window."

Admittedly, the normandy crew didn't start to sing, and there were no windows for harbinger to look out of, but I find it hard to believe Harbinger didn't see the Normandy

So Harbinger saw the Normandy, so it must have decided not to fire on the Normandy. It couldn't have possibly known Shepard's intentions (it would take fanfic and that to make up a reason why). People say the Normandy was not a threat, but it that would be difficult for Harbinger to know, unless of course Harbinger is capable of very good multi-tasking. Which would mean that the reason the normandy wasn't shot couldn't be that Harbinger couldn't fire on multiple things/concentrate on multiple things.
Similarly, harbinger does shoot lasers at everything running up,. so it's not as if it's like the parts where Shepard climbs onto a canon, and can only shoot one thing at a time.

This leaves the IFF as the only possible reason I can see about why Harbinger wouldn't shoot the Normandy. However, I can't remember ever hearing that the IFF stops enemy ships attacking, only that it allows you through the omega relay. And infact, in ME2 the collector things still attack the Normandy, even with this IFF. So, does anyone have a link to where this IFF thing is said to protect people?

Joker was on about the geth stealth drive.
The IFF is meant to work with anything reaper related.  Which is why the nromandy can fly around space with no problems until they start scanning and then the reapers come because they now notice that the nromandy is not one of them.  And the reapers dont have eyes....neither does Harbinger.  His eyes are just there for an imposing effect.  To single him out amongst the other reapers.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Joker was on about the geth stealth drive.
The IFF is meant to work with anything reaper related.  Which is why the nromandy can fly around space with no problems until they start scanning and then the reapers come because they now notice that the nromandy is not one of them.  And the reapers dont have eyes....neither does Harbinger.  His eyes are just there for an imposing effect.  To single him out amongst the other reapers.

If that's the case they wasted a whole lot of time on those damn missions putting us down in sh*tty spots.

[Sire Styx]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted yet but in ME2, during the geth heretic mission Joker say: "You know it's just our heat emissions that are hidden right? They can look out the window and see us coming"
And in ME3, the geth dreadnaught mission:
Joker says "The only way they'll detect us is if you start singing the russian national anthem."
and "Hey, take your time, Commander. We're fine until they, you know, look out a window."

Admittedly, the normandy crew didn't start to sing, and there were no windows for harbinger to look out of, but I find it hard to believe Harbinger didn't see the Normandy

So Harbinger saw the Normandy, so it must have decided not to fire on the Normandy. It couldn't have possibly known Shepard's intentions (it would take fanfic and that to make up a reason why). People say the Normandy was not a threat, but it that would be difficult for Harbinger to know, unless of course Harbinger is capable of very good multi-tasking. Which would mean that the reason the normandy wasn't shot couldn't be that Harbinger couldn't fire on multiple things/concentrate on multiple things.
Similarly, harbinger does shoot lasers at everything running up,. so it's not as if it's like the parts where Shepard climbs onto a canon, and can only shoot one thing at a time.

This leaves the IFF as the only possible reason I can see about why Harbinger wouldn't shoot the Normandy. However, I can't remember ever hearing that the IFF stops enemy ships attacking, only that it allows you through the omega relay. And infact, in ME2 the collector things still attack the Normandy, even with this IFF. So, does anyone have a link to where this IFF thing is said to protect people?

Joker was on about the geth stealth drive.
The IFF is meant to work with anything reaper related.  Which is why the nromandy can fly around space with no problems until they start scanning and then the reapers come because they now notice that the nromandy is not one of them.  And the reapers dont have eyes....neither does Harbinger.  His eyes are just there for an imposing effect.  To single him out amongst the other reapers.

I don't see how geth stealth drives would alter the fact that the Normandy is only cloaked through it's thermal emissions. It's still there to be seen, but the geth can't see it because they have no windows.
And I still don't understand about the IFF. So by allowing you to pass through the omega 4 relay this means to also prevents reapers-tech from noticing you, even though the collectors saw you perfectly well?
I know I said "saw" but reapers don't necessarily need to have eyes to detect people. Could be able number of things they use to detect things, but I would say that some sort of occular device (maybe not "eyes") would probably still be present. If they don't, then this is an amazingly bad flaw they have. And the fact that they seem to have pinpoint accuarcy suggests they can see in some respect.

[Apollo-XL5]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Joker was on about the geth stealth drive.
The IFF is meant to work with anything reaper related.  Which is why the nromandy can fly around space with no problems until they start scanning and then the reapers come because they now notice that the nromandy is not one of them.  And the reapers dont have eyes....neither does Harbinger.  His eyes are just there for an imposing effect.  To single him out amongst the other reapers.

If that's the case they wasted a whole lot of time on those damn missions putting us down in sh*tty spots.

Wheres the fun in landing in the easy spots...
still the IFF is the most logical reason why the normandy has such an easy time with the reapers...until it does something that the reapers dont see as something they would do, like scan system they have already conquered/traversed.

[Apollo-XL5]

Sire Styx wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

I don't know if this has been posted yet but in ME2, during the geth heretic mission Joker say: "You know it's just our heat emissions that are hidden right? They can look out the window and see us coming"
And in ME3, the geth dreadnaught mission:
Joker says "The only way they'll detect us is if you start singing the russian national anthem."
and "Hey, take your time, Commander. We're fine until they, you know, look out a window."

Admittedly, the normandy crew didn't start to sing, and there were no windows for harbinger to look out of, but I find it hard to believe Harbinger didn't see the Normandy

So Harbinger saw the Normandy, so it must have decided not to fire on the Normandy. It couldn't have possibly known Shepard's intentions (it would take fanfic and that to make up a reason why). People say the Normandy was not a threat, but it that would be difficult for Harbinger to know, unless of course Harbinger is capable of very good multi-tasking. Which would mean that the reason the normandy wasn't shot couldn't be that Harbinger couldn't fire on multiple things/concentrate on multiple things.
Similarly, harbinger does shoot lasers at everything running up,. so it's not as if it's like the parts where Shepard climbs onto a canon, and can only shoot one thing at a time.

This leaves the IFF as the only possible reason I can see about why Harbinger wouldn't shoot the Normandy. However, I can't remember ever hearing that the IFF stops enemy ships attacking, only that it allows you through the omega relay. And infact, in ME2 the collector things still attack the Normandy, even with this IFF. So, does anyone have a link to where this IFF thing is said to protect people?

Joker was on about the geth stealth drive.
The IFF is meant to work with anything reaper related.  Which is why the nromandy can fly around space with no problems until they start scanning and then the reapers come because they now notice that the nromandy is not one of them.  And the reapers dont have eyes....neither does Harbinger.  His eyes are just there for an imposing effect.  To single him out amongst the other reapers.

I don't see how geth stealth drives would alter the fact that the Normandy is only cloaked through it's thermal emissions. It's still there to be seen, but the geth can't see it because they have no windows.
And I still don't understand about the IFF. So by allowing you to pass through the omega 4 relay this means to also prevents reapers-tech from noticing you, even though the collectors saw you perfectly well?
I know I said "saw" but reapers don't necessarily need to have eyes to detect people. Could be able number of things they use to detect things, but I would say that some sort of occular device (maybe not "eyes") would probably still be present. If they don't, then this is an amazingly bad flaw they have. And the fact that they seem to have pinpoint accuarcy suggests they can see in some respect.

My guess is that the reapers have sensors, but in answer to the IFF, the reapers altered the omega 4 relay so tht only they and their servents (the collectors) could use it, so why wouldnt it work on the reapers themselves.  It is called a reaper identify friend or foe (IFF)

[Sire Styx]

I still don't understand how the IFF does this*. Were we ever told? Is this even canon, or is it head-canon?
If it's head canon them I might as well say that the reason Harbinger didn't see the normandy was because there was a brief diruption in the space-time continuum that just so happened to obscure Harbinger's view for those few minutes.

Edit: does this*, as in allowing ships to avoid detection by reapers.

I always assumed (so yeah, may not be true) that the IFF just allowed you to exit the omega 4 relay more precisly and not fly into a black hole. I was almost certain this is mention in ME2?

Modifié par Sire Styx, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:42 .

[Apollo-XL5]

Sire Styx wrote...

I still don't understand how the IFF does this. Were we ever told? Is this even canon, or is it head-canon?
If it's head canon them I might as well say that the reason Harbinger didn't see the normandy was because there was a brief diruption in the space-time continuum that just so happened to obscure Harbinger's view for those few minutes.

In ME2 cerberus extracted the IFF from a derelict reaper.  Why else would a reaper need it, this colud come into play with the rogue reaper Leviathan dlc coming soon (hopefully).

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

What the IFF "does" is head canon.
A very bad one at that as every mission suggests otherwise.

[Sire Styx]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

I still don't understand how the IFF does this. Were we ever told? Is this even canon, or is it head-canon?
If it's head canon them I might as well say that the reason Harbinger didn't see the normandy was because there was a brief diruption in the space-time continuum that just so happened to obscure Harbinger's view for those few minutes.

In ME2 cerberus extracted the IFF from a derelict reaper.  Why else would a reaper need it, this colud come into play with the rogue reaper Leviathan dlc coming soon (hopefully).

If this DLC explains how the IFF works or something, then I won't dispute it. It's just irritating how much of the game it seems needs you to fill in the gaps, so it ends up everyone has a different idea, I know bioware wanted lots of speculation, but it just seems that everyone has their own opinion (me included lol) and won't listen to anyone else  and these topics get no where

Modifié par Sire Styx, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:45 .

[Apollo-XL5]

Yes the reapers set the omega 4 relay to hurl and ships which werent reaper allied into the debris field. But the IFF itself was in a reaper. And since the reapers are synthetic, it would be logical to assume all the reapers have an IFF and use them to keep tabs on each other and where they are in the galaxy. And so with the normandy having one, the rest of the reapers just assume that it is one of theres and lets it go arround until it does something that they would consider out of character.

[jules_vern18]

i seriously wonder whether or not the Bioware team even thinks through its ideas anymore. I mean, come on - couldn't STEEEEVVVE! have come and picked them up in a shuttle at least? Maybe have them take off in one of the ground vehicles?

Literally any other means of escape would have made more sense within the context of that scene. That includes rope ladder via 70s-era army chopper.

Modifié par jules_vern18, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:51 .

[Apollo-XL5]

Sire Styx wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

I still don't understand how the IFF does this. Were we ever told? Is this even canon, or is it head-canon?
If it's head canon them I might as well say that the reason Harbinger didn't see the normandy was because there was a brief diruption in the space-time continuum that just so happened to obscure Harbinger's view for those few minutes.

In ME2 cerberus extracted the IFF from a derelict reaper.  Why else would a reaper need it, this colud come into play with the rogue reaper Leviathan dlc coming soon (hopefully).

If this DLC explains how the IFF works or something, then I won't dispute it. It's just irritating how much of the game it seems needs you to fill in the gaps, so it ends up everyone has a different idea, I know bioware wanted lots of speculation, but it just seems that everyone has their own opinion (me included lol) and won't listen to anyone else  and these topics get no where

The IFF is a real thing
Todays military use the friend/foe identify on their veichles etc.  It is only logical to think that the one that bioware added to the ME story would have the same purpose and they probably hoped that fans would get it straight away, since we do like to keep a tab on details.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Yes the reapers set the omega 4 relay to hurl and ships which werent reaper allied into the debris field. But the IFF itself was in a reaper. And since the reapers are synthetic, it would be logical to assume all the reapers have an IFF and use them to keep tabs on each other and where they are in the galaxy. And so with the normandy having one, the rest of the reapers just assume that it is one of theres and lets it go arround until it does something that they would consider out of character.

Not emitting anything A Reaper would is out of character.
Having the stealth system that it does is out of character, Reapers would be like why is that ship not doing any of the things it should be doing.

[Apollo-XL5]

jules_vern18 wrote...

i seriously whether or not the Bioware team even thinks through its ideas anymore. I mean, come on - couldn't STEEEEVVVE! have come and picked them up in a shuttle at least? Maybe have them take off in one of the ground vehicles?

Literally any other means of escape would have made more sense within the context of that scene. That includes rope ladder via 70s-era army chopper.

Well if steve's shuttle had a reaper IFF then the harvesters would not have shot it down.  But the fact that the normandy has the reaper IFF explains why all other alliance ships get shot att but the normandy gets a free pass.

[Apollo-XL5]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Yes the reapers set the omega 4 relay to hurl and ships which werent reaper allied into the debris field. But the IFF itself was in a reaper. And since the reapers are synthetic, it would be logical to assume all the reapers have an IFF and use them to keep tabs on each other and where they are in the galaxy. And so with the normandy having one, the rest of the reapers just assume that it is one of theres and lets it go arround until it does something that they would consider out of character.

Not emitting anything A Reaper would is out of character.
Having the stealth system that it does is out of character, Reapers would be like why is that ship not doing any of the things it should be doing.

I will tell you what the reapers would consider out of character, seeing a ship on their sensors that looks like a reaper ship (IFF) scanning planets in a system that they have already taken over.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Reaper have the ability to indoctrinate through signals they send out.
I wonder if EDI is indoctrinating us through the IFF.

[Apollo-XL5]

I dont know about that but I will definitly be indoctrinated if i dont get any sleep.

thanks for the chat

cya

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Yes the reapers set the omega 4 relay to hurl and ships which werent reaper allied into the debris field. But the IFF itself was in a reaper. And since the reapers are synthetic, it would be logical to assume all the reapers have an IFF and use them to keep tabs on each other and where they are in the galaxy. And so with the normandy having one, the rest of the reapers just assume that it is one of theres and lets it go arround until it does something that they would consider out of character.

Not emitting anything A Reaper would is out of character.
Having the stealth system that it does is out of character, Reapers would be like why is that ship not doing any of the things it should be doing.

I will tell you what the reapers would consider out of character, seeing a ship on their sensors that looks like a reaper ship (IFF) scanning planets in a system that they have already taken over.

You already said that.
There's nothing else to discuss.

[SirLugash]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

Joker was on about the geth stealth drive.
The IFF is meant to work with anything reaper related.  Which is why the nromandy can fly around space with no problems until they start scanning and then the reapers come because they now notice that the nromandy is not one of them.  And the reapers dont have eyes....neither does Harbinger.  His eyes are just there for an imposing effect.  To single him out amongst the other reapers.

If that's the case they wasted a whole lot of time on those damn missions putting us down in sh*tty spots.

Wheres the fun in landing in the easy spots...
still the IFF is the most logical reason why the normandy has such an easy time with the reapers...until it does something that the reapers dont see as something they would do, like scan system they have already conquered/traversed.

Two points here:
First, Harbinger has to have some visual recognition of his surroundings, otherwise he wouldn't be able to shoot tiny soldiers in front of him.
Second, based on that, he would have recognized that the Normandy is neither a 2km tall Capital Ship nor a 160m tall Destroyer.
He would've recognized that the Normandy is not one of his kind.

The IFF might work in distances (scanning systems) but not in close proximity, where other visualisation is available.

[gisle]

Maybe the IFF made her seem like one hell of a sexy reaper.