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[KingJason13]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

I think you're missing the point.
Why wouldn't a logical person think a heavy vehicle landing on a battlefield is not going to drop off troops.
It doesn't mean it will, but why won't Harbinger think that.

It reminds me of games where you can defeat the enemy easy if you play right.
If Harbinger shot the Normandy it probably would've blown up killing not only everyone on board but also killing all the troops rushing pass.
The blast would've been fairly big.

There is only benefits in shooting the Normandy and the Reapers would be crazy to assume this vehicle was going to pick people up from the most important period in the battle instead of dropping reinforcements off.

Yep.

[BrookerT]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

just gonna repeat myself here:
"Why didn't Saren Kill Shepard when he held him by the neck? Cool emotional scenes don't have to be logical to be good"

/thread

At least a few people look at my posts:crying:

Because he is not a Reaper.

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

BrookerT wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

just gonna repeat myself here:
"Why didn't Saren Kill Shepard when he held him by the neck? Cool emotional scenes don't have to be logical to be good"

/thread

At least a few people look at my posts:crying:

Because he is not a Reaper.

What answer do you want?
Saren was sizing Shepard up and trying to get him to understand if not help him.
He is not a Reaper.

You should watch it again.

Modifié par iAFKinMassEffect3, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:33 .

[XFeroxX]

My two sense, for a second time: IN N OUT Burger has better French Fries than MacDonalds. That is the argument we are fighting right now. I don't see it so much as a plot hole and tried a logical argument with what we know are the facts, and some people see it and accept it as such, others still want to ask why why why this or that didn't happen and want to call out he plot hole further. But it doesn't really matter who's french fries are better, I prefer In N Out, some even prefer ( god forbid) burger king's, but we all are entitled to our own prefference, but can the logic in another person's argument at least be recognized and stick to whats pertinenet? However much you say the Normandy SHOULD have gotten shot isnt as important as the fact that it DIDN'T get shot. All we can do that is pertinent is discuss why it didn't as opposed as to why if you were in harbingers place you would have or should have shot it. Sorry for the burger joint references, I'm badly craving a 4x4 animal style with a Neapolitan shake and animal style fries. Gotta love In N Out

[BrookerT]

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

iAFKinMassEffect3 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

just gonna repeat myself here:
"Why didn't Saren Kill Shepard when he held him by the neck? Cool emotional scenes don't have to be logical to be good"

/thread

At least a few people look at my posts:crying:

Because he is not a Reaper.

What answer do you want?
Saren was sizing Shepard up and trying to get him to understand if not help him.
He is not a Reaper.

You should watch it again.

He held him by his neck over a cliff in some cases, I have watched it, its a cool cutscene

[KingJason13]

Scepsis wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

I'm happy to overlook it knowing my crew gets away.

Same here.
+1

...you don't need the EC for that...

[Versus Omnibus]

Scepsis wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

I'm happy to overlook it knowing my crew gets away.

Same here.
+1

+1

Unlike the original endings I can reason EC's flaws, with a few minor exceptions of course.

[AlexMBrennan]

while the beach head was still very much contested and under fire. So the evac itself isn't a problem.

The problem with proof by analogy is (apart from not being a proof, but hey, whatever) is that the analogy needs to be accurate. A more accurate analogy would be having the squad transferred to another landing craft for evacuation whilst Shepard's landing craft would continue towards the beach before any landing crafts had made it to the beach.

2) Nobody can reach that beam, if something is helping them get away from the beam all the better

Nonsense. All Harbinger knows is that there is a heavily armed frigate approaching the beam that could be carrying hundreds of soldiers. Even if he had intercepted communications, it could be code phrase for "Drop off ours best guys at the beam now".

Oh, and another thing: Why would Shepard stop? He knows that the only way anyone, including potentially the LI about to be evacuated, might survive this day is for him to get to the beam. Above all, Shepard is a soldier, and I don't think any Shepard would hesitate at this critical moment because of personal feelings.

Edit to add: Do you know what's worse? It's entirely unnecessary. Just have them injured in the fight against the destroyer and have them picked up before they start the assault on the beam.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:41 .

[iAFKinMassEffect3]

Scepsis wrote...

KingJason13 wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

I'm happy to overlook it knowing my crew gets away.

Same here.
+1

...you don't need the EC for that...

Yes, we did. Without it, no extraction scene.
Problem rectified by EC, but I'm sure people will tear me a new *sshole for saying that.

You don't need EC to know your crew gets away.

[Isichar]

Fuzzfro wrote...

I'm happy to overlook it knowing my crew gets away.

I respect the honesty of this comment.

+1

[Versus Omnibus]

Scepsis wrote...

Yes, we did. Without it, no extraction scene.
Problem rectified by EC, but I'm sure people will tear me a new *sshole for saying that.

Three, two, one...

[v3paR]

Isichar wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

He was trying to prevent people from getting to the beam, not the people trying to get away.

^This

People are trying too hard to hate this scene.

Thats because its just too absurd. Your in a last ditch attempt to charge the beam and you and your squad stop so they can be brought to safety?!

Come on, its funny if you really think about it.

Edit: I cant even hate it because I cant take it seriously enough.

seriously, go watch Transformers. you have giant-inteligent-armored-very-fast-robots-from-space assisted with even-faster-deadly-inteligent-smaller-robots all destroying buildings with just one arm and yet none of main characters didn't even break a finger while running around for three movies.

not to mention that building in third movie which violates all known laws of physics

it was pure "movie like emotional" scene. nothing more.

[BrookerT]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Yes, we did. Without it, no extraction scene.
Problem rectified by EC, but I'm sure people will tear me a new *sshole for saying that.

Three, two, one...

BLASTOFF . . . sorry, inepropriate

[im commander shep]

Scepsis wrote...

Sniktchtherat wrote...

The problem is this is an exemplar of the care the current writers took in shaping the whole game - and in doing so discarding most of 1 and 2.  Technically, there was no need for them to explain the reason behind having shuttles in Mass Effect 2 - but they did.

Because details matter.  Especially in talky-techy scifi.

Cortez was shot down, so that puts him out of commission and intern makes a shuttle extraction unlikely.
It is Sci-Fi you know. Not every detail needs to be explicitly explained. Hell, we still haven't explained 99% of our own universe.

I have to take issue with your comment because it is Biowares fault(Its a good thing). They bothered to explain every detail and how everything works and what everythings limitations are, they created a the codex and all the lore. Its part of what make ME amazing and draws you in, (yes I have read most of the codex). The fact that so many fans are now confused is that for 2 games they generally stuck to details and lore but for the final 30min they just go "hell lets forget all that and do what we want". Kinda destroys the rest of the games and the stuff that made it all so interesting.

[KingJason13]

Scepsis wrote...

KingJason13 wrote...

Scepsis wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

I'm happy to overlook it knowing my crew gets away.

Same here.
+1

...you don't need the EC for that...

Yes, we did. Without it, no extraction scene.
Problem rectified by EC, but I'm sure people will tear me a new *sshole for saying that.

My point is:

The problem the EC was trying to rectify via the extraction scene was your crew appearing out of the crashed Normandy on the Jungle Planet...

So, technically, you don't need the EC to know your crew somehow got away...


Added: although... I'm happy you enjoyed the extraction scene.

Modifié par KingJason13, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .

[legion999]

BrookerT wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I didn't know Saren could snap peopless necks with one hand while holding them for about five seconds.

And Saren isn't a 2km AI dreadnought who would shoot down enemy ships easily.

He threw down his gun when charging to Shepard. What Kind of villain THROWS AWAY THERE WEAPON when there enemey who they just tried to kill is defenslesss. Hell, if you go save the Salarian team, He holds him over an effing cliff

Im mean seriously watch the begining of this clip 
 

Saren dun goofed.
However Harbinger doesn't even acknowledge the Normandy. I mean really? It could have a shuttle or Hammerhead or Thanix missle or a Thresher maw or a squad of soldiers. It just looks out if place.

[Fawx9]

v3paR wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

He was trying to prevent people from getting to the beam, not the people trying to get away.

^This

People are trying too hard to hate this scene.

Thats because its just too absurd. Your in a last ditch attempt to charge the beam and you and your squad stop so they can be brought to safety?!

Come on, its funny if you really think about it.

Edit: I cant even hate it because I cant take it seriously enough.

seriously, go watch Transformers. you have giant-inteligent-armored-very-fast-robots-from-space assisted with even-faster-deadly-inteligent-smaller-robots all destroying buildings with just one arm and yet none of main characters didn't even break a finger while running around for three movies.

not to mention that building in third movie which violates all known laws of physics

it was pure "movie like emotional" scene. nothing more.

Pease tell me you didn't use the TF movies storyies to back up your arguement on how something makes sense.

[Isichar]

Fawx9 wrote...

v3paR wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

He was trying to prevent people from getting to the beam, not the people trying to get away.

^This

People are trying too hard to hate this scene.

Thats because its just too absurd. Your in a last ditch attempt to charge the beam and you and your squad stop so they can be brought to safety?!

Come on, its funny if you really think about it.

Edit: I cant even hate it because I cant take it seriously enough.

seriously, go watch Transformers. you have giant-inteligent-armored-very-fast-robots-from-space assisted with even-faster-deadly-inteligent-smaller-robots all destroying buildings with just one arm and yet none of main characters didn't even break a finger while running around for three movies.

not to mention that building in third movie which violates all known laws of physics

it was pure "movie like emotional" scene. nothing more.

Pease tell me you didn't use the TF movies storyies to back up your arguement on how something makes sense.

Its not the first time its been done and wont be the last on BSN.

[Versus Omnibus]

Scepsis wrote...

You know what? F*ck it.
I'm done trying to support things that nitpickers whine and b*tch over.
I'm gonna go play ME3, the game I love and quite frankly, I couldn't give two sh*ts about what anyone has to say about it.

Peace, haters.

Oh crap...

EVERYONE TO THE EMERGENCY BUNKERS!!!

[Magiking117]

I couldn't take the scene seriously. Harby even seemed to stop and watch the ship take off, whilst he still had bugs to contend with.

[BrookerT]

legion999 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I didn't know Saren could snap peopless necks with one hand while holding them for about five seconds.

And Saren isn't a 2km AI dreadnought who would shoot down enemy ships easily.

He threw down his gun when charging to Shepard. What Kind of villain THROWS AWAY THERE WEAPON when there enemey who they just tried to kill is defenslesss. Hell, if you go save the Salarian team, He holds him over an effing cliff

Im mean seriously watch the begining of this clip 
 

Saren dun goofed.
However Harbinger doesn't even acknowledge the Normandy. I mean really? It could have a shuttle or Hammerhead or Thanix missle or a Thresher maw or a squad of soldiers. It just looks out if place.

Its for emotional significane. The Normandy saves the day again. The Normandy picks up the last of your crew and is ready to face its destint at your hands.

[Ticonderoga117]

Scepsis wrote...

You know what? F*ck it.
I'm done trying to support things that nitpickers whine analyze and b*tch rightly complain when things don't make sense, over.
I'm gonna go play ME3, the game I love and quite frankly, I couldn't give two sh*ts about what anyone has to say about it.

Peace, haters.

Fixed.

Have fun with your rushed game!