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[Eain]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Eain wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Why would it lie? No, seriously. Why?

I don't know, why do Reapers do anything? Sovereign made a pretty good case for their motives being beyond comprehension. That alone is enough to cast doubt on anything any Reaper ever says, forever, because you can never expect it to be grounded in common rationality.

Ah, you hold to the "Everything Sovereign says is the literal truth and everything afterwards is crap writing and attempts at retcons, so stuff the Starchild" camp.

Given that, there's nothing I could ever possibly say to convince you that the Starchild has literally zero reason to lie to you, so I will simply stop trying.

Good day.

No, I hold to an IC point of view for Shepard. You seem to be confusing IC with OOC arguments a lot. Shepard doesn't know anything about bad writing. She just experiences her life as genuine. I am only arguing this case from her point of view.

She meets a Reaper on Virmire who literaly tells her that everything they do is beyond her comprehension, and doesn't even bother explaining why. Then he flies off and starts killing the galaxy before being defeated.

Later she meets Harbinger who seems to have developed an obsession for mankind without ever making clear why, and this same Harbinger then shoots at her when she tries to run to the teleporter in London. All he seems to want is humanity, and her specifically, dead. She doesn't know why, she's never told.

She also meets the Rannoch Reaper, who reinforces what Sovereign told her on Virmire. She kills him. Conventionally.

Then the Reaper Overlord. Given her experience with Reapers, this one would suddenly have comprehensible reasons for its deeds... why again? Shepard cannot trust anything it says because she doesn't know why it says anything. Reapers are incomprehensible. Reapers cannot be understood or reasoned with. Combine this with the Crucible being a dud, and you have one big massive cluster**** that Shepard has plenty cause to be suspicious about. If one lesson has governed her life so far it's this: don't argue with Reapers, just kill them.

That's what she chooses in refusal.

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

I know this. I stated that in my first paragraph. whats your point?

[arial]

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

Modifié par arial, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .

[The Genophage]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...




No, he's a genocidal idiot, and your point of both being equal was, in no way, proven. 

My leap has a CHANCE of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

Your leap has NO chance of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

So you can commit Genocide even though it wasn't deliberately or systematically, way to contradict yourselve there buddy.
This is what your saying
Taking a chance with the Reapers=good
Taking a chance with you allies to defeat the reapers=bad
I just love your logic

You DELIBERATELY chose to allow the Reapers to continue their cycle. That. Is. Being. Party. To. Genocide. 

THAT is what I am saying.

Taking a chance with the Starchild = good.

Ignoring facts, logic and rationality to stick to your own self-righteous moral code and knowingly doom the entire galaxy to extinction = bad.

THAT is what I am saying.

Again your implying that I deliberately let the cycle continue, I kept fighting and lost, I didn't play any part in their agenda, I can't be accused of Genocide because I decided to fight with my allies instead of trusting the enemy. And Ignoring facts, logic, etc can also be implyed by trusting the catalyst.

[arial]

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...




No, he's a genocidal idiot, and your point of both being equal was, in no way, proven. 

My leap has a CHANCE of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

Your leap has NO chance of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

So you can commit Genocide even though it wasn't deliberately or systematically, way to contradict yourselve there buddy.
This is what your saying
Taking a chance with the Reapers=good
Taking a chance with you allies to defeat the reapers=bad
I just love your logic

You DELIBERATELY chose to allow the Reapers to continue their cycle. That. Is. Being. Party. To. Genocide. 

THAT is what I am saying.

Taking a chance with the Starchild = good.

Ignoring facts, logic and rationality to stick to your own self-righteous moral code and knowingly doom the entire galaxy to extinction = bad.

THAT is what I am saying.

Again your implying that I deliberately let the cycle continue, I kept fighting and lost, I didn't play any part in their agenda, I can't be accused of Genocide because I decided to fight with my allies instead of trusting the enemy. And Ignoring facts, logic, etc can also be implyed by trusting the catalyst.

but knowing you could not win that way means yes, you did allow the cycle to continue

[The Genophage]

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

They knew the Catalyst was the Citadel, they didn't know it was a kid who would walk around giving different colors to choose from, thats what I meant.

[babachewie]

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

This. They didnt know about AI, but htey knew the catalyst was the citadel

[SMichelle]

babachewie wrote...

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192,192,192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192,192,192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

I know this is a little OT, but where exactly did Synthesis come from then?  Did we add that?  Did the Catalyst?  Because if we were just following the plans of past cycles you think they'd mention a Synthesis choice in addition to the Control and Destroy.


Hmmm...yet another reason I won't pick Synthesis.  This seems a little fishy to me. 

[DistantUtopia]

arial wrote...
they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

I think he means the Catalyst i.e. Starbrat.  The Protheans knew the Catalyst = Citadel.  I don't think they know about the Catalyst AI.

[The Genophage]

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...




No, he's a genocidal idiot, and your point of both being equal was, in no way, proven. 

My leap has a CHANCE of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

Your leap has NO chance of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

So you can commit Genocide even though it wasn't deliberately or systematically, way to contradict yourselve there buddy.
This is what your saying
Taking a chance with the Reapers=good
Taking a chance with you allies to defeat the reapers=bad
I just love your logic

You DELIBERATELY chose to allow the Reapers to continue their cycle. That. Is. Being. Party. To. Genocide. 

THAT is what I am saying.

Taking a chance with the Starchild = good.

Ignoring facts, logic and rationality to stick to your own self-righteous moral code and knowingly doom the entire galaxy to extinction = bad.

THAT is what I am saying.

Again your implying that I deliberately let the cycle continue, I kept fighting and lost, I didn't play any part in their agenda, I can't be accused of Genocide because I decided to fight with my allies instead of trusting the enemy. And Ignoring facts, logic, etc can also be implyed by trusting the catalyst.

but knowing you could not win that way means yes, you did allow the cycle to continue

Again, don't assume I know anything.

[DistantUtopia]

SMichelle wrote...

I know this is a little OT, but where exactly did Synthesis come from then?  Did we add that?  Did the Catalyst?  Because if we were just following the plans of past cycles you think they'd mention a Synthesis choice in addition to the Control and Destroy.


Hmmm...yet another reason I won't pick Synthesis.  This seems a little fishy to me. 

I blame the Protheans.  All that mucking around with the Crucible design gave us the Synthesis option 

[The Genophage]

babachewie wrote...

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

This. They didnt know about AI, but htey knew the catalyst was the citadel

And I said that.

[arial]

The Genophage wrote...

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

They knew the Catalyst was the Citadel, they didn't know it was a kid who would walk around giving different colors to choose from, thats what I meant.

The Catalyst is not a kid, it simply took a form Shepared would accept, it was intended to be a refrence to "Contact", as most things in the ME universe are refrences to other sci-fi media

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

People seem to refuse cause they believe they are submitting to the catalyst options when in fact the Catalyst doesn't have anything to do with the options. The options were put there by the other cycles to either control or destroy the reapers. The Protheans had a internal struggle with each other just to determine what course of action to take. The Protheans who backed control were indoctrinated like cerberus. They fought so much with each other they didn't even get to use the crucible and were destroyed. The game is all about cycles and those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The Catalyst is the citadel. The ones who came up with the plans for the crucible needed something to amplify its power and the Citadel being the central hub on the entire mass relay network, was added to the schematics. Nobody knew about the AI living in it. Thats how Synthesis was added once it was attached. Once the crucible was attached to it, it ran into an unknown, the AI, which changed it and gave the crucible a new option. You're not submitting to choices that wasn't even his in the first place. Refuse is ignorant knowing this.

The Protheans never finished the Crucible, Your complete point is moot.

then you have no idea what oyu're talking about. Go back to Thessia and talk to the prothean VI or read the freakin wiki http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Crucible

The Prothean VI says someone wanted to control the reapers like TIM, never does it say the Crucible was finished by the Protheans, neither does it say it on the wiki, they found out the Citadel was the crucible but it was too late, either they didn't have the resources to build the crucible or the people/time.

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192, 192, 192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

It was never deployed therefore therefore they don't know about the Catalyst....

they knew of the Catalyst, how else would the Prothean VI know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

seriously man, you have run out of arguements so now your just posting nonsense

They knew the Catalyst was the Citadel, they didn't know it was a kid who would walk around giving different colors to choose from, thats what I meant.

That doesn treally matter in the grand scheme of things. The AI was an uknown like I said. thats where synthesis came from. Destroy and Control were already there. Put there byt eh other cycles. thats why not trusitng the catalyst doesnt make sense if these choices arent his.

[arial]

The Genophage wrote...

arial wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...




No, he's a genocidal idiot, and your point of both being equal was, in no way, proven. 

My leap has a CHANCE of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

Your leap has NO chance of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

So you can commit Genocide even though it wasn't deliberately or systematically, way to contradict yourselve there buddy.
This is what your saying
Taking a chance with the Reapers=good
Taking a chance with you allies to defeat the reapers=bad
I just love your logic

You DELIBERATELY chose to allow the Reapers to continue their cycle. That. Is. Being. Party. To. Genocide. 

THAT is what I am saying.

Taking a chance with the Starchild = good.

Ignoring facts, logic and rationality to stick to your own self-righteous moral code and knowingly doom the entire galaxy to extinction = bad.

THAT is what I am saying.

Again your implying that I deliberately let the cycle continue, I kept fighting and lost, I didn't play any part in their agenda, I can't be accused of Genocide because I decided to fight with my allies instead of trusting the enemy. And Ignoring facts, logic, etc can also be implyed by trusting the catalyst.

but knowing you could not win that way means yes, you did allow the cycle to continue

Again, don't assume I know anything.

if you do not knoqw that, when its been told to you countless times, your Shepard obviously should never have been accepted into the N7 Program

[The Genophage]

@babachewie

Yes it does matter because how would they know about the options unless directly told by the AI.

[ghost9191]

SMichelle wrote...

babachewie wrote...

I guess you misse th e part where th ewiki states: [color=rgb(192,192,192)">The ]Protheans[/color][/url][color=rgb(192,192,192)">, were able to construct the Crucible, but before they could deploy it, infighting broke out between those who wanted to use it to destroy the Reapers and a faction that believed they could use it to control the Reapers]indoctrinated[/color][/url]. And the VI does say the same thing. Also I didnt say anything about the citdel being the crucible. so pay attention. 

I know this is a little OT, but where exactly did Synthesis come from then?  Did we add that?  Did the Catalyst?  Because if we were just following the plans of past cycles you think they'd mention a Synthesis choice in addition to the Control and Destroy.


Hmmm...yet another reason I won't pick Synthesis.  This seems a little fishy to me. 

the catalyst had been trying it but found that it is somehting that can't be forced.. and that it was not possible till shep showed up. ironically it is forced on everyone

also showed it hated the idea of control and destroy,

 i say we all forget the problems between destroy and refuse and gang up on synthesis:wizard:

Modifié par ghost9191, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:01 .

[The Genophage]

@Arial

Oh, lets bring the N7 insult again, ridiculous. Anyway, You logic that Shepard only plan after Refusal is to fight off, also, Shepard has been told many things over and over again which he has done.

[arial]

The Genophage wrote...

@babachewie

Yes it does matter because how would they know about the options unless directly told by the AI.

they may have known, remember the Mars archive was shut down before Liara could finish the downlo9ad, all we had to go on was the data that was left in fembots omnitool

[Father_Jerusalem]

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...




No, he's a genocidal idiot, and your point of both being equal was, in no way, proven. 

My leap has a CHANCE of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

Your leap has NO chance of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

So you can commit Genocide even though it wasn't deliberately or systematically, way to contradict yourselve there buddy.
This is what your saying
Taking a chance with the Reapers=good
Taking a chance with you allies to defeat the reapers=bad
I just love your logic

You DELIBERATELY chose to allow the Reapers to continue their cycle. That. Is. Being. Party. To. Genocide. 

THAT is what I am saying.

Taking a chance with the Starchild = good.

Ignoring facts, logic and rationality to stick to your own self-righteous moral code and knowingly doom the entire galaxy to extinction = bad.

THAT is what I am saying.

Again your implying that I deliberately let the cycle continue, I kept fighting and lost, I didn't play any part in their agenda, I can't be accused of Genocide because I decided to fight with my allies instead of trusting the enemy. And Ignoring facts, logic, etc can also be implyed by trusting the catalyst.

You know going in that you have zero chance to win other than by using the Crucible. You refuse to use the Crucible. You allow the cycle to continue, deliberately.

I don't know how that can even be argued against. 

[SMichelle]

DistantUtopia wrote...


I blame the Protheans.  All that mucking around with the Crucible design gave us the Synthesis option 

Well, at least it's all  color-coded for ease of use.

[arial]

The Genophage wrote...

@Arial

Oh, lets bring the N7 insult again, ridiculous. Anyway, You logic that Shepard only plan after Refusal is to fight off, also, Shepard has been told many things over and over again which he has done.

I showed the Math, there are not enough organics in the galaxy to down the Reapers, and there never will be.

Shepard is told this, Shepard knows this.

anyways, your arguement has gone from it being Genocide, which we disproved. to it being unnecasary, which we've disproved.

I have come to the conclusion you are just looking for reasons to argue for something you know is impossible.

and ive get better things to do the feed your need for conflict.

Good day sir

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

@babachewie

Yes it does matter because how would they know about the options unless directly told by the AI.

They wouldnt. They would have to figure it out. If The AI wasnt there control and destroy would of worked anyway. They would of just had to figure it out. Synthesis is the only choice he affects. So its up to you whether you buy into that one. Which isnt the argument. Control and Destroy work and they arent of the catalysts design. So theres nothing to fear from using them which makes refuse stupid. Synthesis is the only one you can argue might be a trap. 

[lillitheris]

You can wish that there was a means to win conventionally, but there isn’t. That’s what the game is. You cannot win. You will lose. If the Crucible doesn’t work, you lose.

If you refuse to use the Crucible, then you have caused the defeat. You have killed everybody, just as if you’d strangled them yourself.

To Destroy is to reject the Reapers. To Refuse is to reject everyone else.

[The Genophage]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...




No, he's a genocidal idiot, and your point of both being equal was, in no way, proven. 

My leap has a CHANCE of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

Your leap has NO chance of us winning and the cycles being stopped.

So you can commit Genocide even though it wasn't deliberately or systematically, way to contradict yourselve there buddy.
This is what your saying
Taking a chance with the Reapers=good
Taking a chance with you allies to defeat the reapers=bad
I just love your logic

You DELIBERATELY chose to allow the Reapers to continue their cycle. That. Is. Being. Party. To. Genocide. 

THAT is what I am saying.

Taking a chance with the Starchild = good.

Ignoring facts, logic and rationality to stick to your own self-righteous moral code and knowingly doom the entire galaxy to extinction = bad.

THAT is what I am saying.

Again your implying that I deliberately let the cycle continue, I kept fighting and lost, I didn't play any part in their agenda, I can't be accused of Genocide because I decided to fight with my allies instead of trusting the enemy. And Ignoring facts, logic, etc can also be implyed by trusting the catalyst.

You know going in that you have zero chance to win other than by using the Crucible. You refuse to use the Crucible. You allow the cycle to continue, deliberately.

I don't know how that can even be argued against. 

Because your anology can be turned completely otherwise based on how your seing things
"You think the catalyst is lying because their promoting something which has always led to evil, you know you have no choise unless you try to beat them conventionally" see where im going.