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[DistantUtopia]

So in reality, we are really refusing both the previous cycles before us AND the catalyst. The only real option the Catalyst gives us is Synthesis since Control and Destroy were something provided by previous cycles.

Still doesn't make the endings that much better but I think I get what the above is trying to say.

[The Genophage]

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

[ghost9191]

well the better you do building the crucible, and the more war assets you have guarding it affects what it does. if it gets dmg it causes a lot of dmg

[ghost9191]

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

i am personally iffy on if he is the one that brings shepard up, because if you have low ems he says "why are you here"   so i am not sure if he is the one that does it, or its just automatic idk

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

[The Genophage]

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

Why not? he just wants organics to not get wiped out. Each option keeps that from happening. Theres no reason to lie and again when it docked he said it "changed" him. Also it also depends on the EMS on how helpfull he is really. hes more helpful when synthesis is in the equation obviously

Modifié par babachewie, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:01 .

[The Genophage]

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

Why not? he just wants organics to not get wiped out. Each option keeps that from happening. Theres no reason to lie and again when it docked he said it "changed" him. Also it also depends on the EMS on how helpfull he is really. 

Exactly! You just proved my point, all the sudden he wants to play hero and want to find a new "solution" that will mean the cycle will survive, smells like bull to me.

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

Why not? he just wants organics to not get wiped out. Each option keeps that from happening. Theres no reason to lie and again when it docked he said it "changed" him. Also it also depends on the EMS on how helpfull he is really. 

Exactly! You just proved my point, all the sudden he wants to play hero and want to find a new "solution" that will mean the cycle will survive, smells like bull to me.

Hes only really helpfully if synthesis is in the equation for obvious reasons. That would be his choice. Destroy and control arent so of course at lower EMS he's not gonna wanna help. He doesnt wanna be replaced or be destroyed. it goes against his programing. The cycle could repeat or get worst according to him with destroy and control. Synthesis is the only option he favors.

Modifié par babachewie, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[ghost9191]

he comes more opposed to the ideas, all except synthesis, but he has tried that before. i don't hard to tell if it is lying if it is being forced by the crucible

like i have said if i do nothing and i was right i would feel a lot worse doing something and being wrong

garrus said it best in me1

Modifié par ghost9191, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[The Genophage]

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

Why not? he just wants organics to not get wiped out. Each option keeps that from happening. Theres no reason to lie and again when it docked he said it "changed" him. Also it also depends on the EMS on how helpfull he is really. 

Exactly! You just proved my point, all the sudden he wants to play hero and want to find a new "solution" that will mean the cycle will survive, smells like bull to me.

Hes only really helpfully if synthesis is in the equation for obvious reasons. That his choice. Destroy and control arent so of course at lower EMS he's not gonna wanna help. He doesnt wanna be replaced or be destroyed. it goes against his programing. The cycle could repeat or get worst according to him with destroy and control. Synthesis is the only option he favors.

Again, in Refuse hes completely capable of turning off the crucible, Why not do it now, that way theres no risk. Just admit it, The catalyst flawed logic makes absolutely no sense and there is no reason to place your faith in him whatsoever.

[The Genophage]

ghost9191 wrote...

he comes more opposed to the ideas, all except synthesis, but he has tried that before. i don't hard to tell if it is lying if it is being forced by the crucible

like i have said if i do nothing and i was right i would feel a lot worse doing something and being wrong

garrus said it best in me1

Again, its show he can turn off the crucible, in matter of fact, why not lie and say that jumping in the beam will kill all reapers, its too fishy and there is no reason to trust him.

[wulf3n]

lillitheris wrote...
It’s a reasonable assumption to make,

 

is it? i beg to differ.

lillitheris wrote... 
since the purpose of the thing is to destroy Reapers.

Perhaps, all though we don't really know what the purpose is given that the race the started building it never thought to include a design document... inconsiderate <_<

besides that doesn't mean it will only destroy the reapers. A nuclear bomb will destroy your enemy, but that doesn't mean you can set one off in your home town and only have your enemies die.

 

lillitheris wrote...  
Maybe the planets aren’t aligned right and it just explodes, but it’s solid enough to make a decision on.

All we know is that it will release a large amount of energy, so it's effectively a bomb of unknown devestation, there's no way of knowing what will happen when it goes off.

For all you know the first race designed it to be used at the start of the reaper invasion when the Reapers use the citadel to jump from dark space, and that it's purpose was to wipe out all matter within a 1000 lightyear radius.

[SMichelle]

Now I'm confused.  I've only done one complete playthrough, but we built the Crucible.  But when Shephard chooses the Destroy, Control, Synthesis that's at the Catalyst?

I know the Catalyst is the Kid, but the Catalyst "activates" the Crucible, right?  So when we choose RGB that's telling the Catalyst how we want to use the Crucible?

(I guess I should play through ME3 again, but I just can't build up the willpower)

[babachewie]

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

Why not? he just wants organics to not get wiped out. Each option keeps that from happening. Theres no reason to lie and again when it docked he said it "changed" him. Also it also depends on the EMS on how helpfull he is really. 

Exactly! You just proved my point, all the sudden he wants to play hero and want to find a new "solution" that will mean the cycle will survive, smells like bull to me.

Hes only really helpfully if synthesis is in the equation for obvious reasons. That his choice. Destroy and control arent so of course at lower EMS he's not gonna wanna help. He doesnt wanna be replaced or be destroyed. it goes against his programing. The cycle could repeat or get worst according to him with destroy and control. Synthesis is the only option he favors.

Again, in Refuse hes completely capable of turning off the crucible, Why not do it now, that way theres no risk. Just admit it, The catalyst flawed logic makes absolutely no sense and there is no reason to place your faith in him whatsoever.

there is no flawed logic. It was turned off because you didnt chose. And I already explained that that reason he even lets you choose is because no ones made it that far and someone will again regardless and the crucible docking changed it and made need a new plan. I mean there was so much you didnt know about the story or the crucible to begin with that me and one other cat had ot sit you down and break it down seaseme street style. You can go ahead and continue to live in your fantasy world. As long as you're happy then whatever but just know for those of us who actually paid attention you couldnt be anymore wrong.

[ghost9191]

The Genophage wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

he comes more opposed to the ideas, all except synthesis, but he has tried that before. i don't hard to tell if it is lying if it is being forced by the crucible

like i have said if i do nothing and i was right i would feel a lot worse doing something and being wrong

garrus said it best in me1

Again, its show he can turn off the crucible, in matter of fact, why not lie and say that jumping in the beam will kill all reapers, its too fishy and there is no reason to trust him.

well i think the fact he doesnt say that if you jump in beam u blow reapers up shows he isn't lyiing. but i am not saying he is not lying but without metagaming my choice is destroy. it seems like the safer option , i am tempted by refuse like i have said, but i want to know there is a chance of winning first.

otherwise i will use the crucible. but i am not sure if the catalyst is lying or not   

[babachewie]

SMichelle wrote...

Now I'm confused.  I've only done one complete playthrough, but we built the Crucible.  But when Shephard chooses the Destroy, Control, Synthesis that's at the Catalyst?

I know the Catalyst is the Kid, but the Catalyst "activates" the Crucible, right?  So when we choose RGB that's telling the Catalyst how we want to use the Crucible?

(I guess I should play through ME3 again, but I just can't build up the willpower)

The Catalyst is the Citadel. its only used to amplify the Crucibles power. it doesnt activate it, you do.

[ghost9191]

SMichelle wrote...

Now I'm confused.  I've only done one complete playthrough, but we built the Crucible.  But when Shephard chooses the Destroy, Control, Synthesis that's at the Catalyst?

I know the Catalyst is the Kid, but the Catalyst "activates" the Crucible, right?  So when we choose RGB that's telling the Catalyst how we want to use the Crucible?

(I guess I should play through ME3 again, but I just can't build up the willpower)

the catalyst doesn't have much power over the crucible, from what i got. the crucible in itself is a weapon, but it uses the citadel to amplify it's effects using the relays or something like that

[Funkdrspot]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I'm a Refuser, and I appreciate this line of thought, OP. I just hate the arbitrary penalty of 'woops Geth dead now lol' because I dare to actually kill the Reapers. I refuse to partake in that.

destroy=geth die. refuse=geth + asari, turian, human, salarian, quarian, krogan, volus, elcor, hanar, drell and vorcha die. please tell me how that makes sense to you?

[DistantUtopia]

SMichelle wrote...

Now I'm confused.  I've only done one complete playthrough, but we built the Crucible.  But when Shephard chooses the Destroy, Control, Synthesis that's at the Catalyst?

I know the Catalyst is the Kid, but the Catalyst "activates" the Crucible, right?  So when we choose RGB that's telling the Catalyst how we want to use the Crucible?

(I guess I should play through ME3 again, but I just can't build up the willpower)

Shepard is in the Catalyst/Citadel the whole time.  basically, what is implied is that the Crucible introduces new options for the Catalyst to take. Kinda like this:

Old Code:
While (Synthetics destroys Organics)
   1. Harvest advanced organics to prevent birth of synthetics
     - continue loop


New Code after the Crucible docks
While (Synthetics destroys Organics)
   1. If Red button
       - Destroy all synthetics
       - break loop
   2. if Blue button
       - Send command override to all Reapers
       - Break loop
   3. else If Organics = Ready then
       - merge organics and synthetics
       - ?? Loop ??
   4. Else Harvest advanced organics to prevent birth of synthetics
       - continue loop

That's how I see it anyway.

[The Genophage]

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

@BabaChewie

That's assuming he hasn't done anything to sabotage it, Hes an enemy, and why would he rise you up to the top of the crucible anyway, if anything Shep would had bleed out, it didn't look like they needed a new solution.

You're assuming he raised him up. 

He doesn't have to explain anything, he can obviously turn of the crucible as he does in refuse, its seems to fishy on why he would want to help you.

Why not? he just wants organics to not get wiped out. Each option keeps that from happening. Theres no reason to lie and again when it docked he said it "changed" him. Also it also depends on the EMS on how helpfull he is really. 

Exactly! You just proved my point, all the sudden he wants to play hero and want to find a new "solution" that will mean the cycle will survive, smells like bull to me.

Hes only really helpfully if synthesis is in the equation for obvious reasons. That his choice. Destroy and control arent so of course at lower EMS he's not gonna wanna help. He doesnt wanna be replaced or be destroyed. it goes against his programing. The cycle could repeat or get worst according to him with destroy and control. Synthesis is the only option he favors.

Again, in Refuse hes completely capable of turning off the crucible, Why not do it now, that way theres no risk. Just admit it, The catalyst flawed logic makes absolutely no sense and there is no reason to place your faith in him whatsoever.

there is no flawed logic. It was turned off because you didnt chose. And I already explained that that reason he even lets you choose is because no ones made it that far and someone will again regardless and the crucible docking changed it and made need a new plan. I mean there was so much you didnt know about the story or the crucible to begin with that me and one other cat had ot sit you down and break it down seaseme street style. You can go ahead and continue to live in your fantasy world. As long as you're happy then whatever but just know for those of us who actually paid attention you couldnt be anymore wrong.

Can you please write correct grammar thank you. Anyway, You just keep proving my point my point

You claim that the Catalyst wants to give you choices.
Why would he do that when he can outright turn off the Crucible, Why would your enemy help you when they are clearly winning the war, why does it explain you everything, wh doesn't he just shut the damn thing off.

Again, You refuse to understand what I'm trying to explain, you have no leg to stand on, and just continue to repeat the same thing instead of answering to my question and spill nonsense with incorrect grammar. Please, explain to me, how any of these things I just listed are not suspicious from an enemy, indulge me, 5th grader.

[The Genophage]

ghost9191 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

he comes more opposed to the ideas, all except synthesis, but he has tried that before. i don't hard to tell if it is lying if it is being forced by the crucible

like i have said if i do nothing and i was right i would feel a lot worse doing something and being wrong

garrus said it best in me1

Again, its show he can turn off the crucible, in matter of fact, why not lie and say that jumping in the beam will kill all reapers, its too fishy and there is no reason to trust him.

well i think the fact he doesnt say that if you jump in beam u blow reapers up shows he isn't lyiing. but i am not saying he is not lying but without metagaming my choice is destroy. it seems like the safer option , i am tempted by refuse like i have said, but i want to know there is a chance of winning first.

otherwise i will use the crucible. but i am not sure if the catalyst is lying or not   

I'm not arguing whether hes lying or not, I'm arguing how it is suspicious that he is helping you, if you can't even argue the root of what your talking about, please stop arguing at all.

[lillitheris]

wulf3n wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
It’s a reasonable assumption to make,

 

is it? i beg to differ.

Sure, but you’re wrong.

(Actually, even if you do assume it just blows up the entire Sol system, it’s still better than Refuse…)

Modifié par lillitheris, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:26 .

[ghost9191]

The Genophage wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

he comes more opposed to the ideas, all except synthesis, but he has tried that before. i don't hard to tell if it is lying if it is being forced by the crucible

like i have said if i do nothing and i was right i would feel a lot worse doing something and being wrong

garrus said it best in me1

Again, its show he can turn off the crucible, in matter of fact, why not lie and say that jumping in the beam will kill all reapers, its too fishy and there is no reason to trust him.

well i think the fact he doesnt say that if you jump in beam u blow reapers up shows he isn't lyiing. but i am not saying he is not lying but without metagaming my choice is destroy. it seems like the safer option , i am tempted by refuse like i have said, but i want to know there is a chance of winning first.

otherwise i will use the crucible. but i am not sure if the catalyst is lying or not   

I'm not arguing whether hes lying or not, I'm arguing how it is suspicious that he is helping you, if you can't even argue the root of what your talking about, please stop arguing at all.

judging by your responses you are arguing for the sake of arguing, i have agreed with you like 5 different times now, i get that you play by metagaming , that is great. i play in the moment . my choice is destroy yours is refuse wonderful.

your only reason is because "he shuts off the crucible" that is great and all but you do not know that until after you pick refuse

[wulf3n]

lillitheris wrote...
Sure, but you’re wrong.

 

If being right is wrong then I don't want to be right 

lillitheris wrote... 
(Actually, even if you do assume it just blows up the entire Sol system, it’s still better than Refuse…)

what makes you so sure it's limited to the Sol system? You have no idea how big the blast will be, if there'll even be a blast.

Modifié par wulf3n, 05 juillet 2012 - 12:32 .