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[Ryzaki]

SMichelle wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

I really wish BioWare had done that.  Perhaps then people would get over their romantic notion of "dying free".

I also wish there was a scene that shows all the Geth falling to the floor, and Edi Dying asking joker why is this happening as she slowly disconnects from the world. You know...So people would get over their "sacrifices must be made" notion

I like that idea.  As it stands now all you see is EDI's name on the memorial. 

But honestly, although my Shepard could never justify not using the Crucible, the thought of watching Garrus, Joker, Kaidan et. all be turned into goo  

Couldn't see that. Normandy would more than likely go down in a suicide attack. The gloating and blow to morality (which would already be too low) would be too devastaing for them to have it be otherwise.

...but others? Yeah them turning into goo would blow.

[The Genophage]

ghost9191 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


So, if you want to refuse on principle because you don't trust this thing, I would have made the cutscene that kept Shepard alive and made him/her watch each and every crewmate and especially your love interest get processed in the refuse option, and watched this forum go up in flames.

I really wish BioWare had done that.  Perhaps then people would get over their romantic notion of "dying free".

I also wish there was a scene that shows all the Geth falling to the floor, and Edi Dying asking joker why is this happening as she slowly disconnects from the world. You know...So people would get over their "sacrifices must be made" notion

to be fair, i accept that, and at least that would give closure to the geth. now it is did they die, or did they simply lose the reaper upgrades. because there was nothing that showed the outcome of the geth being sacrificed:D

and as for edi, after watching her talk on youtube during the synthesis epilogue. i have kinda not felt the same way for her, i has been tainted. but she says herself she would rather die then live on her knees or whatever so i see that as a thumbs up

as for geth , i believe they be alive ( in game ) but i also see them as machines, they can be rebuilt,. and whatever you want to call it, genocide or casualty, they were a sacrifice

That was not EDI talking, that was just....I don't know what that was. Also, as much as people will flame me fo this, I'm almost sure that many from this cycle, could have survived till the next via stasis pods.

agree, that is what i meant by eedi talk, just not the same as she use to be

and i also agree about the stasis pods and what not. i mean like liara says " it would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there"    i mean send a ship like a "ark"  out without any info on it's destination. i mean asari live for a thousand years, they could wait it out, bring humans and other races too. 1 male and 1 female. we could go biblical on the reapers asses

That is defenitely not Edi. and the bold part, Ha, that actually made me lol'ed. but in all seriousness it could be done. When the Protheans did it, it was because they knew they were going to lose so they tried to survive to the next cycle. I know its a headcannon, but I imagine in the Refusal ending, a lot of people survive via stasis pod, so our cycle does survive, but that's a headcannon. I also remember reading a fan-fic about Shep surviving till the next cycle.

[The Genophage]

SMichelle wrote...

The Genophage wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

I really wish BioWare had done that.  Perhaps then people would get over their romantic notion of "dying free".

I also wish there was a scene that shows all the Geth falling to the floor, and Edi Dying asking joker why is this happening as she slowly disconnects from the world. You know...So people would get over their "sacrifices must be made" notion

I like that idea.  As it stands now all you see is EDI's name on the memorial. 

But honestly, although my Shepard could never justify not using the Crucible, the thought of watching Garrus, Joker, Kaidan et. all be turned into goo  

I think they would go down fighting.

[SMichelle]

Ryzaki wrote...


I actually would've loved seeing both.

*picks both endings*

Seeing everyone's last stands in refuse, people forced into Reapers, people committing suicide instead, a long dark slilence as the camera pans over their corpses and the new Reapers made from them, then a quick fade to black and a few seconds later of utterly silence broken with a triumphant crescendo and bright flash of light you see the next cycle completely and utterly own the Reapers without needing to listen to Starbrat's garbage or have him "graciously" offer their victory instead they take it themselves no need for his "aid". (Even better if they have synthetics helping them do this). Have Liara's words echoing in the background of the battle (which is laughably one sided against the Reapers favor) then cut to Stargazer.

And have Destroy show the synthetics dying, confusion, the loss of life from the technology but the galaxy rebuilding itself, Shep happily reunited (if Shep lived) and the galaxy moving on towards a brighter future.

Now that would have made the endings great.  Horrible, awful, terribly tragic - and yet moving. 

[Ryzaki]

SMichelle wrote...
Now that would have made the endings great.  Horrible, awful, terribly tragic - and yet moving. 

That's what I was expecting with Refuse! Dark, tragic makes me sad but at the same time there's that bit of light, that yes the other cycle truly lived free. Bittersweet. 

Instead I got...that. I don't even know WTF is going on in Refuse. You just see Shep slouch like a chump then fade to black. WTF. Least emotionally engaging ending ever. I have to use damn HC to make it touching. BS! (and yes what I typed was my headcanon.)

Well. I still have Destroy. Even though that's more "that's it?" than angsty. (Seriously the lack of reunion scene is BS. BS! Instead we get that bleh scene in the rubble. W.T.F. They expanded on EVERYTHING else but not that? Wut? WHY?!?!)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 juillet 2012 - 01:43 .

[ghost9191]

Ryzaki wrote...

SMichelle wrote...
Now that would have made the endings great.  Horrible, awful, terribly tragic - and yet moving. 

That's what I was expecting with Refuse! Dark, tragic makes me sad but at the same time there's that bit of light, that yes the other cycle truly lived free. Bittersweet. 

Instead I got...that. I don't even know WTF is going on in Refuse. You just see Shep slouch like a chump then fade to black. WTF. Least emotionally engaging ending ever. I have to use damn HC to make it touching. BS! (and yes what I typed was my headcanon.)

Well. I still have Destroy. Even though that's more "that's it?" than angsty. (Seriously the lack of reunion scene is BS. BS! Instead we get that bleh scene in the rubble. W.T.F. They expanded on EVERYTHING else but not that? Wut? WHY?!?!)

i am guessing that if ppl got a reunion, most would say screw you to synthesis and control. just a guess though

[Ryzaki]

ghost9191 wrote...

i am guessing that if ppl got a reunion, most would say screw you to synthesis and control. just a guess though

Blargh Synthesis gets immortality and Control has Shep being a god. They can deal with not having a reunion scene!

[ghost9191]

true enough

[SMichelle]

Ryzaki wrote...


Blargh Synthesis gets immortality and Control has Shep being a god. They can deal with not having a reunion scene!

This is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  There's no emotional pay-off for me.  I don't have a Shep that would choose anything else but Destroy - and there's nothing really there. 

At least with the EC it doesn't look like my crew (including my LI) are happily living on a tropical planet while I just died a slow painful death saving all advanced organic life. 

[Aylyese]

Kick In The Door wrote...

Refusal is forcing your own morals on others to doom them to death. It's an extremely selfish and egomaniacal choice. You're no better than Hitler in that regard. At least the other endings give the galaxy a chance, refusal is outright quitting because you want to feel good about yourself.

That is all.

Page 3.. God damn, Godwin, you're good.

[Ryzaki]

SMichelle wrote...
This is why I can't seem to get through another playthrough of ME3.  There's no emotional pay-off for me.  I don't have a Shep that would choose anything else but Destroy - and there's nothing really there. 

At least with the EC it doesn't look like my crew (including my LI) are happily living on a tropical planet while I just died a slow painful death saving all advanced organic life. 

/replaying for the combat

But yeah emotionally? I don't feel myself going "OMG! :crying::crying:" or *le gasp*! Like I did in ME1 and ME2. And I don't know...alot of that autodialogue pretty much killed the conversations for me.

Yay improvement!

Well to be fair Garrus and Tali would've starved to death. So if you romanced one of them they probably weren't very happy pre EC. But yes very much preferred. Though how your LI magically knows you're alive is a bit . Would it have been so hard to have a short scene where Shep was being helped out from some rubble by them or even by Hackett who then goes "Normandy...we have found Commander Shepard...alive." /cut to credits

But nope.

[SMichelle]

Ryzaki wrote...


/replaying for the combat

But yeah emotionally? I don't feel myself going "OMG! :crying::crying:" or *le gasp*! Like I did in ME1 and ME2. And I don't know...alot of that autodialogue pretty much killed the conversations for me.

Yay improvement!

Well to be fair Garrus and Tali would've starved to death. So if you romanced one of them they probably weren't very happy pre EC. But yes very much preferred. Though how your LI magically knows you're alive is a bit . Would it have been so hard to have a short scene where Shep was being helped out from some rubble by them or even by Hackett who then goes "Normandy...we have found Commander Shepard...alive." /cut to credits

But nope.

You're making me sad  with all these suggestions.  Because they are far better than what we got. 

For the longest time I expected BioWare to pull a rabbit out of a hat with this thing.   Sadly, I've had to realize that this is all we're going to get.

[Iakus]

SMichelle wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


I actually would've loved seeing both.

*picks both endings*

Seeing everyone's last stands in refuse, people forced into Reapers, people committing suicide instead, a long dark slilence as the camera pans over their corpses and the new Reapers made from them, then a quick fade to black and a few seconds later of utterly silence broken with a triumphant crescendo and bright flash of light you see the next cycle completely and utterly own the Reapers without needing to listen to Starbrat's garbage or have him "graciously" offer their victory instead they take it themselves no need for his "aid". (Even better if they have synthetics helping them do this). Have Liara's words echoing in the background of the battle (which is laughably one sided against the Reapers favor) then cut to Stargazer.

And have Destroy show the synthetics dying, confusion, the loss of life from the technology but the galaxy rebuilding itself, Shep happily reunited (if Shep lived) and the galaxy moving on towards a brighter future.

Now that would have made the endings great.  Horrible, awful, terribly tragic - and yet moving. 

If that happened, I'd uninstall ME3 right then and there.  Destruction is bad enough as it is.

I do not play games to be horrified by awful, tragic, yet moving endings.  I wish Bioware could figure that out.

[The Genophage]

iakus wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


I actually would've loved seeing both.

*picks both endings*

Seeing everyone's last stands in refuse, people forced into Reapers, people committing suicide instead, a long dark slilence as the camera pans over their corpses and the new Reapers made from them, then a quick fade to black and a few seconds later of utterly silence broken with a triumphant crescendo and bright flash of light you see the next cycle completely and utterly own the Reapers without needing to listen to Starbrat's garbage or have him "graciously" offer their victory instead they take it themselves no need for his "aid". (Even better if they have synthetics helping them do this). Have Liara's words echoing in the background of the battle (which is laughably one sided against the Reapers favor) then cut to Stargazer.

And have Destroy show the synthetics dying, confusion, the loss of life from the technology but the galaxy rebuilding itself, Shep happily reunited (if Shep lived) and the galaxy moving on towards a brighter future.

Now that would have made the endings great.  Horrible, awful, terribly tragic - and yet moving. 

If that happened, I'd uninstall ME3 right then and there.  Destruction is bad enough as it is.

I do not play games to be horrified by awful, tragic, yet moving endings.  I wish Bioware could figure that out.

I'm glad they took a chance with the emotional side, but too bad they forgot that the main plot storyline is more important.

[Ryzaki]

SMichelle wrote...
You're making me sad  with all these suggestions.  Because they are far better than what we got. 

For the longest time I expected BioWare to pull a rabbit out of a hat with this thing.   Sadly, I've had to realize that this is all we're going to get.

Sadly they are.

Hell I would've just been happy with the removal of Starbrat. I knew that wasn't likely though. <_< *grumbles* Stupid starchilden and their stupid mindreading (and I LOVE how his form goes completely unremarked upon. THAT'S logical!) Most of my issues come from him.

And yeah ugh. Turd polishing exercise is all I can say. Granted they did do the best they could do. Still.

@Iakus: You don't have to pick the reject ending you know. You'd get your reunion at least in Destroy.

[RiouHotaru]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I'm a Refuser, and I appreciate this line of thought, OP. I just hate the arbitrary penalty of 'woops Geth dead now lol' because I dare to actually kill the Reapers. I refuse to partake in that.

But there had to be a consequence.  If there isn't one, then Destroy would've been the superior ending choice.  The idea is to make all three equal in both outcome and consequence.

[AnsinJung]

I just wanna know why they added the "SO BE IT" for Rejection without adding a pissed off star child when you choose Destroy. I mean, yeah, that would make the star child look dumb as he just finished explained how to kill the Reapers, but that alone made him look stupid before EC.

[saracen16]

There is a line between bravery and foolishness. Those who refused the Crucible also refused to see that line.

[AnsinJung]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I'm a Refuser, and I appreciate this line of thought, OP. I just hate the arbitrary penalty of 'woops Geth dead now lol' because I dare to actually kill the Reapers. I refuse to partake in that.

But there had to be a consequence.  If there isn't one, then Destroy would've been the superior ending choice.  The idea is to make all three equal in both outcome and consequence.

That idea may be a Bioware staple, but then EMS shouldn't exist.  It doesn't really do anything but provide false hope.  And ME2 has a completely "superior" ending where everyone lives, with the exception that saving/destroying the Collector base is perceived as good or evil differently, depending on the person.  Different is fine.  The DAO end choices got kind of contrived, as a lot of Bioware's games' choices are, imo.  Sleep with Morrigan or you or Alistar die.  Zzzzz  So original after all the other "you're gonna ****** someone off, no matter what" choices they threw at you. 

There's a point where this is far beyond realistic and is just shamefully contrived meanness to characters we love.  Yet even then, DAO had that happy ending.

Modifié par AnsinJung, 05 juillet 2012 - 03:17 .

[Arturia Pendragon]

Choosing Refuse is choosing to enable Omnicide instead of ending the war now and forever. According to the game, the reapers cannot be defeated conventionally; the Crucible is your only hope. Instead of embracing this unknown device as everyone else has - the geth and EDI included - and the difficult decision it offers, you throw away your only chance at victory just to spite a flawed AI. Congratulations Shepard, you're now a legend. I'm sure your friends, family, and loved ones will enjoy rotting in their mass graves alongside the rest of the galaxy. Good thing the hero of the next cycle isn't as selfish and egomanical as this version of Shepard ("I won't compromise who I am just so the reapers can be defeated")...

/opinion

Modifié par Arturia Pendragon, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:37 .

[ghost9191]

"Yes , people will die. Maybe we'll lose half the galaxy. Maybe more. But i will do whatever it takes to rid the galaxy of the reaper threat"

geth are a high price but i feel it is a sacrifice for the better, that is for destroy though

ppl can also go with synthesis or control if they want,

but to sacrifice 14 races just for the sake of morals is kinda wrong

[MB957]

I always think...how do I know shiny boy is telling the truth?? that red button might blow us all up for all I know! or it might just change the channel on the tv. again, for me, all 3 choices, destroy, snyth and control are invalid because they come from the mouth of the enemy.

for me, refusal is the only way to even have a chance at beating the reapers.

but since its just a game, I choose all 4, and watch the pretty lights! and now the new cutscenes!

[ghost9191]

it was changed due to the crucible. it doesn't want u to do destroy or control. synthesis is right by him though.

even if you didn't talk with the catalyst you still would have control or destroy , that is what the crucible was designed to do. he isnt the one that brought you there, but there is a chance of wining with those options, one that you don't have with refuse

[Moirai]

Question: Is your Shepard prepared to 'commit genocide' to save every other race/species in the galaxy from annihilation?
Answer: Yes. Because the stakes are that high. And she takes full personal responsibility for that decision.

Question: How will your Shepard feel about doing this?
Answer: Empty, alone and utterly devastated. She feels crucified by her guilt and emotionally broken. But, she takes that terrible burden on herself because it's necessary. It's her sacrifice, in body and now mind, in order to secure the best chance of survival for the trillions of lives desperately depending on her for salvation.


And it is that, in my mind, which makes her the right person for the task.


Edit: typos

Modifié par Moirai, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:29 .