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[Thomas Abram]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

if we do get banned do we get an email saying we are banned or do we just assume by not being able yo connect to multiplayer?

In most cases we'll e-mail players who have been banned (at the e-mail they gave when signing up for an account).

[Wordlywisewiz]

What about purchases of digital content? Packs with real money?
Any refund?

[Mgamerz]

What about the opposite? I've been in a few matches where we actually got less credits. I am not sure why, but perhaps the host was compensating for some other thing he dinked around with. Is that cheating? I'm not a person who really cares about credits that much. Even threw a $10 to BW as essentially a donation yesterday. I wasn't upset.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Also you did not answer my previous question about being banned from all EA games or just mass effect?

 Slightly off topic but any word on the BF3 soldier us PS3 players never got? 

Us PS3 users have gotten then short end of the stick when it comes to this game yet we all paid the same price for it 

Modifié par Wordlywisewiz, 12 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[Shadow of Terror]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

NinjaRican wrote...

@ Thomas Abram | when playing or hosting (I mostly host games) R/R/G or FBW/G/G PUG games i notice people Do the missile thingy in the later waves. What am i supposed to do quit and lose my credits and Xp or quit after cause i see this kind of stuff alot now and i don't want to keep making new rooms every time i wanna play.

Right now, we're okay with players finishing their match if people are exploiting the infinite missile glitch. However, if you stay in the lobby after said game then you will be considered in the same pool as the cheater(s).

What if you kick the cheater from the lobby?

[Battlepope190]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

What about purchases of digital content? Packs with real money?
Any refund?

Why should you be refunded for anything if you were banned? It's your own fault.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Battlepope190 wrote...

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

What about purchases of digital content? Packs with real money?
Any refund?

Why should you be refunded for anything if you were banned? It's your own fault.

Because that's almost like stealing from consumer's you know the ones who buy your products and your supposed to keep happy..

[Clayless]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

What about purchases of digital content? Packs with real money?
Any refund?

Why should you be refunded for anything if you were banned? It's your own fault.

Because that's almost like stealing from consumer's you know the ones who buy your products and your supposed to keep happy..

You don't get refunds on products that you ruin normally, I don't see why you think this will be any different.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

What about purchases of digital content? Packs with real money?
Any refund?

Why should you be refunded for anything if you were banned? It's your own fault.

Because that's almost like stealing from consumer's you know the ones who buy your products and your supposed to keep happy..

You don't get refunds on products that you ruin normally, I don't see why you think this will be any different.

Well that's fine credit card companies issue refunds 

[ErrorTagUnknown]

Oddly the most compelling argument I've heard for people losing the money they spent....

[Wordlywisewiz]

I mean yes even if you break a physical product you still have it... or what remains of it..it might not function but it still is something you can use even as a paper weight

This would be like bioware coming in your house and stealing your computer

[Clayless]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

I mean yes even if you break a physical product you still have it... or what remains of it..it might not function but it still is something you can use even as a paper weight

This would be like bioware coming in your house and stealing your computer

I might have to check but I'm sure there's no refunds stated when you agree to pay for packs.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Or you know they could just not steal it in the first place...

[Clayless]

Just checked (Xbox) there's no refunds, you agree to that when you pay for it.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

Or you know they could just not steal your items when they ban you in the first place...

[Dresden867]

You're comparing "access to an account online with which you have broken the terms of service" to "having a physical product."

I assure you, there are court cases where it has been legally demonstrated that these are not the same thing. You don't "own" your characters and items and progress. You get an account (for free, I should add) in which you may play them, but they're Bioware's property, and the terms of service dictate your usage of that product.

[InfamousResult]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

Or you know they could just not steal it in the first place...

Or you could just not cheat after you've spent money in the first place.

This isn't a "physical product", it's a service, wherein you can purchase usage of a digital item- they steal absolutely nothing from you, and you own absolutely nothing. If you are banned unfairly, then fine, you have a right to complain and refute the ban, just like anybody else- but if you violate the contract you signed, that's your own fault, period.

[Wordlywisewiz]

Where exactly would that contract I signed with a pen be? Who is to say I didn't stop my controlled when the terms of service came up? Exactly the fact its morale stealing from customers is wrong and that's what EA does best

[Mgamerz]

If you didn't read the ToS or the EULA, that's your fault, not EA's.

[InfamousResult]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

Where exactly would that contract I signed with a pen be?

You don't need to sign it with a pen. Any Terms of Service that you agree to, for any digital service, is legally binding. You had to agree to it, because you wouldn't have an EA Online account if you didn't agree to it.

Sorry, but I don't feel bad for cheaters. They reap what they sow.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 12 juillet 2012 - 02:15 .

[Dresden867]

You're splitting hairs. I assure you, again, that this defense has already been tried and failed in court.

Also, accusing them of theft (and then claiming that this is what they do best) is, at best, an ad hominem attack. It's a very poor line of reasoning.

[Wordlywisewiz]

You guys are defending EA pathetic the one that was named Americas worst company!

[InfamousResult]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

You guys are defending EA pathetic the one that was named Americas worst company!

You're defending cheaters. And that competition was idiotic.

People actually voted for EA over Bank of America.

It was proof that the people who voted for EA knew absolutely nothing about the other companies, and were probably just linked to the competition and were a bunch of buttmad gamers because "hurr hurr that ending was pretty bad guys".

Modifié par InfamousResult, 12 juillet 2012 - 02:29 .

[Charaxan]

 This concept violate any laws of economics, justice and logic but we are in a revolution of minds, here, so it is normal some people are all about "why do you steal" and other about "why do you complain". Like the people complaining about social media stealing personal information to sell to third parties, but some others saying "no you signed now you don't complain".
I remind to some that contacts are fine, but over the contracts are laws and they are not so clear as they appear. For exemple you can't enforce a contract where you state that the second part will be your slave for life, or will give you his daughter for wedding...And for "commonlaw type" countries like USA, it is always subject to debate... So afirmation in a way or an other is bold, at least..
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BUT : I wrote here because I have some questions : 

1 : Will it be possible one day to kick someone from in game ? It would be great to fight against the cheaters (not the reapers, the cheaters !)
2 : will it be possible one day to ban someone from our lobbies ? I host most of my parties and I don't want to go private only for one or two cheaters (more and more, I know...)
(banlists could be shared from hosts to hosts, in ME3 or through a txt/ini file shared on the forum)

3 : I know this is an old debate, but : I know you have two teams, one for the bug and one for the bans. So when people ask "please correct bugs instead of loosing time banning people", you answer "those are two different teams so there is no lost of time".  But I don't understand why you don't spend the money for the "bug" team only. The faster the bugs are gone, the lesser cheater there is and you don't pay a team only to compulse logs and complain (not to say "denouncement"...) 
AND, if you allow hosts to ban people from their lobbies, and to kick from IG, you don't need ban as the cheaters will finaly play only with themselves and problem solve. 


Point 3 is very important to me : it is about effectiveness more than ideals or anythings. I think we all should be proactives on this, developers and honests players.

But of course, it is my humble opinion only.

[Dresden867]

Wordlywisewiz wrote...

You guys are defending EA pathetic the one that was named Americas worst company!

This is also a fallacy. Argumentum vox populi, I believe. "Many people say they are bad, therefore you should think they are bad."

I do not, and this defense is... pathetic.