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DarkerCompanion wrote...
What kind of effort is being made to fix the methods through which the cheating is being accomplished? Banning people works in the short term, but fixing the bugs in the first place is a much better solution. Is there anything you can share with us about whether staff members are trying to fix these bugs?
Modifié par Thomas Abram, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:41 .
Thomas Abram wrote...
DarkerCompanion wrote...
What kind of effort is being made to fix the methods through which the cheating is being accomplished? Banning people works in the short term, but fixing the bugs in the first place is a much better solution. Is there anything you can share with us about whether staff members are trying to fix these bugs?
These issues are very important to us and I can tell you that we are investigating these issues on all fronts.
Modifié par theillusiveman11, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:48 .
Back when Halo: Reach first launched, there were several glitches that people were abusing.Thomas Abram wrote...
So what do you think?
theSatirist wrote...
simple question: when do you plan to fix these exploits?
and when you fix them, will you take care of all the other problems not related to cheating as well? vanguard glitch for instance?
Vorcha invincibility, © infinite missiles, (d) the black hole glitch?Modifié par Hyperionyht, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:46 .
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SkreeMalicious wrote...
Before the flames and questions regarding why leniency.... the sheer number of offenders would likely cripple the player pool for the multiplayer component of the game. Roughly estimating here, but about 20-30% of all players are missile glitching, possibly more.
neteng101 wrote...
Guilty by association is something I've always wondered about. If someone is blatantly cheating, it would be easy to spot, but often we're pretty busy in game so most times a less blatant cheater won't get reported. Say someone uses the rocket glitch, and I'm not sure how the glitch even works, but if they fire 7-8 rockets (vs. 50) in a game, it may not be something everyone else is counting so precisely.
No reply needed but just something to consider - part of the reason people might miss on reporting something is because its not obvious enough, and we're too busy worrying about the enemies to be constantly looking at what the rest of the team is up to every single moment in a game.
There's also the ignorance factor - not everyone knows that others are exploiting the game, and what to look out for. I remember a very long time back when I first started playing, there was like 2 games I played that seemed rather "easy" as in too easy... it was probably a host cheat but back then I didn't even know any of this was possible. It wasn't until a couple of weeks later than it dawned upon me what happened that day - I couldn't even being to tell you when that was ie. date/time, and who was in that game.
As for cheating and dealing with cheaters, show them no quarter and have no mercy! I don't know what your policies are, but if you even show the least bit of leniency to a 100% cheater, at the very least they should be reset to starting over.
justinblac wrote...
SkreeMalicious wrote...
Before the flames and questions regarding why leniency.... the sheer number of offenders would likely cripple the player pool for the multiplayer component of the game. Roughly estimating here, but about 20-30% of all players are missile glitching, possibly more.
Is it really that many? I've only come across one person using the missle glitch, and that person quit after about a minute, so I think it was an accident. I've run into maybe 4 leechers in 3 months, and one kid who wanted to credit glitch and everyone quit the lobby as soon as he started talking about it. Maybe I run into fewer cheaters since I only play about 20% of my games with randoms, but I didn't think it was that bad.
thewalrusx wrote...
Does BW make a distinction between those who happen upon a glitch accidently and those who exploit a glitch intentionally when enforcing their policies?
For example, the vangaurd glitch will sometimes make the player invulnerable or revive infinitely when they fall through the map. Doing this intentionally would be justly punishable, but this can and does happen to players who have no intention of causing the glitch.
I know you can't give examples or amazing detail on how you enforce your policy in this area, but tell me as much as you can please.
-Thanks!
Thomas Abram wrote...
thewalrusx wrote...
Does BW make a distinction between those who happen upon a glitch accidently and those who exploit a glitch intentionally when enforcing their policies?
For example, the vangaurd glitch will sometimes make the player invulnerable or revive infinitely when they fall through the map. Doing this intentionally would be justly punishable, but this can and does happen to players who have no intention of causing the glitch.
I know you can't give examples or amazing detail on how you enforce your policy in this area, but tell me as much as you can please.
-Thanks!
We definitely do. One of the big things we focus on is looking at reports (internal and external) in many different ways.
Modifié par thewalrusx, 04 juillet 2012 - 07:55 .
MWaHa wrote...
Atheosis wrote...
Mgamerz wrote...
Please see my signature. Can we get that thread stickied?DarkerCompanion wrote...
What kind of effort is being made to fix the methods through which the cheating is being accomplished? Banning people works in the short term, but fixing the bugs in the first place is a much better solution. Is there anything you can share with us about whether staff members are trying to fix these bugs?Atheosis wrote...
You need to start patching more often and more effectively. With the two DLC packs you've added more bugs (and by extension glitches) than you've fixed since the game was released.
I'm afraid I agree with this sentiment. The patches seem to be remarkably limited in scope, but with a very large development time. The last patch seemed to be entirely pre-Resurgence, but was released at the same time as Rebellion. Bugs from Rebellion era must be so far behind on the gameplan . . . that there may be no hope at all.
Your signature is ridiculous in the extreme. I have been gaming for many years and I've seen many developers effectively patch their games over and over again. Stop making excuses for BW. Patching may be harder than your avergae schmoe realizes, but it's not so hard that four months should go by with almost no meaningful fixes.
It seems to be the burden here is on Atheosis to prove his point. What factors should we consider in how quickly games are patched? It seems like games with more lines of code should be patched slower (since the programming is more complex), and given that ME3 is a very recent game, you would expect patches to take longer than, say, a patch for the original Oregon Trail. What is the average rate of patches for a game that is on multiple platforms? How large is the standard game's patch in terms of number of lines of code edited / added?
You might be right, but you're ultimately going to be unpersuasive (and some might even mistake you for a crank) unless you can answr questions like this in a very boring, quantitative way.
Hyperionyht wrote...
but to completely remove his ability to play multiplayer seems far too harsh when all he's doing is using a coding mistake to his advantage.
Hyperionyht wrote...
1) Are the banhammers you guys drop for glitch exploits permabans or temporary? Personally, I can understand a ban lasting a few days for a ML glitcher, but to completely remove his ability to play multiplayer seems far too harsh when all he's doing is using a coding mistake to his advantage.
2) The Krysae doubleshot -- bannable offense?
I ask this mostly in jest. Only mostly, however, because I've had people claiming I was cheating when my Engineer was using it. Some even claimed they reported me. I just laughed.
But this brings up an interesting, and more complicated question:
2.1) How do you guys decide which glitches are bannable offenses and what aren't?
3) What's the ETA on the fixes for (a) biotic charge suspended animation, (
Thanks for making this thread.
MWaHa wrote...
The biggest question I have is: How strong is the expectation that players report cheaters? Is it mandatory to report cheaters? Will punitive action be taken against those that don't report cheaters?
I encountered my first cheater last night (missile glitch), and I left the lobby after finishing the game. I then sent him a message saying I was reporting him, and he sent me one back and he seemed apologetic. I was legitimately on the fence about reporting him. I decided to do so anyway, but I wonder if BioWare would punish me if it ever found out I decided to not report a cheater.
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