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[Meltemph]

anorling wrote...


I knew the "narrow-minded" argument would pop-up sooner or later

Like I said earlier, alot of the pro snythesis people treat and respond to people who dont like it, like is some form of religion, and attaining this faith(synthesis) is how one perfects themselves. They have romanticized the fantasy so much in their head, that the synthesis ending has more to do with something other then just the ME series.

Like I said before, even though I find ME's snythesis to be incredibly silly, my biggest problem with ti is the those who proselytize it. 

Modifié par Meltemph, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:27 .

[Ponei]

[ghost9191]

not sure beautiful is how i would put it but ok

an attempt at being too perfect in my eyes

[Ieldra]

Meltemph wrote...

anorling wrote...
I knew the "narrow-minded" argument would pop-up sooner or later

Like I said earlier, alot of the pro snythesis people treat and respond to people who dont like it, like is some form of religion, and attaining this faith(synthesis) is how one perfects themselves. They have romanticized the fantasy so much in their head, that the synthesis ending has more to do with something other then just the ME series.

Like I said before, even though I find ME's snythesis to be incredibly silly, my biggest problem with ti is the those who proselytize it. 

Are you serious? I haven't seen such hate poured on any of the other endings. The crap we've had to put up with goes beyond anything I've ever seen on these boards. I've repeatedly said I think all endings are good in their own way, but apparently it's too much too ask to be treated with the same courtesy.

Also, where were you the last three months? There were about as many Synthesis hate threads as threads declaiming "Destroy is the only option" in shrill voices that treated anyone who disagreed as heretics, add to that the annoying condenscension of the "righteous". There were days where there wasn't a minute without one of both on the first page.

Don't you dare tell me I'm proselytizing. I've had enough of the anti-Synthesis witch-hunt, and please excuse me if I'm not willing to put up with that crap anymore.

Edit:
Just browsing the first page. Q.e.d.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[warriorN7]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

anorling wrote...
I knew the "narrow-minded" argument would pop-up sooner or later

Like I said earlier, alot of the pro snythesis people treat and respond to people who dont like it, like is some form of religion, and attaining this faith(synthesis) is how one perfects themselves. They have romanticized the fantasy so much in their head, that the synthesis ending has more to do with something other then just the ME series.

Like I said before, even though I find ME's snythesis to be incredibly silly, my biggest problem with ti is the those who proselytize it. 

Are you serious? I haven't seen such hate poured on any of the other endings. The crap we've had to put up with goes beyond anything I've ever seen on these boards. I've repeatedly said I think all endings are good in their own way, but apparently it's too much too ask to be treated with the same courtesy.

Also, where were you the last three months? There were about as many Synthesis hate threads as threads declaiming "Destroy is the only option" in shrill voices that treated anyone who disagreed as heretics, add to that the annoying condenscension of the "righteous". There were days where there wasn't a minute without one of both on the first page.

Don't you dare tell me I'm proselytizing. I've had enough of the anti-Synthesis witch-hunt, and please excuse me if I'm not willing to put up with that crap anymore.

Edit:
Just browsing the first page. Q.e.d.

dame 

well said i'm nominating you for the offical synthesis spokes person   :innocent:

[Tarkus 5]

Take away the green eyes and tint and explain a little better in the epilogue that synthetics and organics remained as individuals only with a much deeper understanding of each other. All race's might then see more clearly the benefits of working together to solve life's problems and explore the Universe as equals.I believe this is the choice the author was trying to show.The similarity on a larger scale of what happened with the Geth on Rannoch.It's just that the green "LED" eyes have the bad side effect of "appearing" to erase individuality more akin to a hive mind mentality
.
If the destroy and control endings used red and orange "LED" eyes as possible side effects after the war (as a result of the choice) then we'd all be back at what color you like best.

The new dialogue with the catalyst child clearly states that no organic (including it's creators had considered a synthesis option) most likely the reason they became the "first" to be harvested and become Reapers.

So now we have this Shepard lifeform (perhaps the Reapers have been studying him this cycle) who unites all the race's of the galaxy and like a sheperd guiding his flock they manage for the first time ever... to construct the Crucible and use it.That is why Shepard has these choices...
Before the final assault on earth even Javik admits the race's in his time never "came together" to fight the Reapers as they did for Shepard who is now the herald of this time.

So I believe the 3 choices simplified are this:

Synthesis = Unite and try something totally new (radical) to solve this crysis.Similar to Legion who sacrificed himself for his "people" or Mordin who sacrificed his life to correct the previous actions by him and his society against the Krogan.
Destroy = The decision to continue to repeat the never ending cycle of war and genocide for the descendants of this cycle and future race's.
Control = Turn(synthesize) yourself into a Demi-God and see if you really are an invincible,uncorruptible power over good and evil.
Refuse = Continue to fight and lose to the Reapers using traditional modern warfare.(Similar to Destroy)

Modifié par Tarkus 5, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:24 .

[PrimeOfValor]

Let the challenge begin :-)! Destruction is our salvation. Lol

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

They made Synthesis sound too good to be true, and if something sounds too good to be true, it is.

I see an initial technological boom followed by cultural stagnation and decadence. Utopias don't work.

[Tarkus 5]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

They made Synthesis sound too good to be true, and if something sounds too good to be true, it is.

I see an initial technological boom followed by cultural stagnation and decadence. Utopias don't work.

I don't see it as a Utopia but the possibility for the beginning of a New Age.Hopefully for the better...............

[Meltemph]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

anorling wrote...
I knew the "narrow-minded" argument would pop-up sooner or later

Like I said earlier, alot of the pro snythesis people treat and respond to people who dont like it, like is some form of religion, and attaining this faith(synthesis) is how one perfects themselves. They have romanticized the fantasy so much in their head, that the synthesis ending has more to do with something other then just the ME series.

Like I said before, even though I find ME's snythesis to be incredibly silly, my biggest problem with ti is the those who proselytize it. 

Are you serious? I haven't seen such hate poured on any of the other endings. The crap we've had to put up with goes beyond anything I've ever seen on these boards. I've repeatedly said I think all endings are good in their own way, but apparently it's too much too ask to be treated with the same courtesy.

Also, where were you the last three months? There were about as many Synthesis hate threads as threads declaiming "Destroy is the only option" in shrill voices that treated anyone who disagreed as heretics, add to that the annoying condenscension of the "righteous". There were days where there wasn't a minute without one of both on the first page.

Don't you dare tell me I'm proselytizing. I've had enough of the anti-Synthesis witch-hunt, and please excuse me if I'm not willing to put up with that crap anymore.

Edit:
Just browsing the first page. Q.e.d.

Regardless of the people who hate the snythesis ending, it doesnt cahnge that the people who do like it do infact proselytize it, and you are one of the biggest ones.  When control and destroy people defend their endings it is because they think it is the most efficient.  Near the majority of synthesis defense is some weird worship of the idea, where they  they preach about the evolution of mand-kind and all the "pssiblilites" that it brings.  Almost like they treat it like the salvation of the human race.  At least with destroy and control it is simply because they view it as the best ending out of consequnce and not out of some infatuation with the idea.

So yes, I "dare" to say you proselytize.

Modifié par Meltemph, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:01 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

ghost9191 wrote...

not sure beautiful is how i would put it but ok

an attempt at being too perfect in my eyes

As a synthesis supporter... I agree.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

My timing was remarkable, considering the guy who posted above my other post.

[Volc19]

I agree that the EC scene for Synthesis is pretty nice, what with it being all sentimental, warm, and fuzzy, I doubt it's success in the long term.

Scenario: After several years, the Galactic community decides to travel to other Galaxies. After reaching a new one, they establish first contact with new life. This new life is un-Synthesized. How is this "problem" dealt with? If everyone sticks with the ideology that un-synthesized life is chaos, and will lead to a horribly destructive technological singularity, then this trend cannot continue. What will they do, Reap them? Build a new Crucible and force Synthesis on them? Or will they just kill them?

Synthesis works really well in the short-term, yet the long term consequences are... unpleasent. you can pick whatever you want, but that is just my two cents.

Modifié par Volc19, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .

[Baa Baa]

Billyg3453 wrote...

I couldn't have put it better, myself.

[wizardryforever]

Meltemph wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

anorling wrote...
I knew the "narrow-minded" argument would pop-up sooner or later

Like I said earlier, alot of the pro snythesis people treat and respond to people who dont like it, like is some form of religion, and attaining this faith(synthesis) is how one perfects themselves. They have romanticized the fantasy so much in their head, that the synthesis ending has more to do with something other then just the ME series.

Like I said before, even though I find ME's snythesis to be incredibly silly, my biggest problem with ti is the those who proselytize it. 

Are you serious? I haven't seen such hate poured on any of the other endings. The crap we've had to put up with goes beyond anything I've ever seen on these boards. I've repeatedly said I think all endings are good in their own way, but apparently it's too much too ask to be treated with the same courtesy.

Also, where were you the last three months? There were about as many Synthesis hate threads as threads declaiming "Destroy is the only option" in shrill voices that treated anyone who disagreed as heretics, add to that the annoying condenscension of the "righteous". There were days where there wasn't a minute without one of both on the first page.

Don't you dare tell me I'm proselytizing. I've had enough of the anti-Synthesis witch-hunt, and please excuse me if I'm not willing to put up with that crap anymore.

Edit:
Just browsing the first page. Q.e.d.

Regardless of the people who hate the snythesis ending, it doesnt cahnge that the people who do like it do infact proselytize it, and you are one of the biggest ones.  When control and destroy people defend their endings it is because they think it is the most efficient.  Near the majority of synthesis defense is some weird worship of the idea, where they  they preach about the evolution of mand-kind and all the "pssiblilites" that it brings.  Almost like they treat it like the salvation of the human race.  At least with destroy and control it is simply because they view it as the best ending out of consequnce and not out of some infatuation with the idea.

So yes, I "dare" to say you proselytize.

I guarantee you that those of us who like synthesis wouldn't have to resort to such tactics if the ending (and us) weren't under constant assault from more than half of the forum.  I'd go so far as to say that 80% of the forum think that it's cool to arbitrarily hate on synthesis over the other endings, and if you do a forum search on the word "synthesis" you come up with a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio of hatred threads over threads like this one in support of it.  It's pretty ridiculous.  I can't speak for Ieldra2, but I think most of us just get tired of being attacked on a constant basis, and we get frayed nerves.  Seriously, people will pop into threads and simply make some trollish argument attacking synthesis, and then leave.  Even if the thread has nothing to do with synthesis.  Compare that to the supporters, who have a difficult enough time just keeping their own threads from devolving before their eyes, and tell me who's "proselytizing."  You have to actively try to convert people for that to apply (kinda like those hate-spammers), instead of simply asking to be treated with respect.

[Tarkus 5]

Volc19 wrote...

I agree that the EC scene for Synthesis is pretty nice, what with it being all sentimental, warm, and fuzzy, I doubt it's success in the long term.

Scenario: After several years, the Galactic community decides to travel to other Galaxies. After reaching a new one, they establish first contact with new life. This new life is un-Synthesized. How is this "problem" dealt with? If everyone sticks with the ideology that un-synthesized life is chaos, and will lead to a horribly destructive technological singularity, then this trend cannot continue. What will they do, Reap them? Build a new Crucible and force Synthesis on them? Or will they just kill them?

Synthesis works really well in the short-term, yet the long term consequences are... unpleasent. you can pick whatever you want, but that is just my two cents.

Or perhaps the the synthesized organics with their synthetic friends, now with a greater knowledge and understanding would try to prevent any type of genocidal war of this nature, knowing full well the outcome
and only if necessary defend themselves against a new type of organic or synthetic threat against their
lives or worlds.... Such a realm of possibilities.................

[zambot]

I mock synthesis all the time, as being utterly nonsensical and vacuous. I don't hate it though, and I certainly don't think it's an "evil" ending worthy of all the hate and venom spewed on it. It really is ridiculous that people call it "molestation" and "rape" and "slavery". Ridiculous. Anyone who has watched the synthesis ending cannot be intellectually honest and say it equates to any of those things.

[SMichelle]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Are you serious? I haven't seen such hate poured on any of the other endings. The crap we've had to put up with goes beyond anything I've ever seen on these boards. I've repeatedly said I think all endings are good in their own way, but apparently it's too much too ask to be treated with the same courtesy.

Also, where were you the last three months? There were about as many Synthesis hate threads as threads declaiming "Destroy is the only option" in shrill voices that treated anyone who disagreed as heretics, add to that the annoying condenscension of the "righteous". There were days where there wasn't a minute without one of both on the first page.

Don't you dare tell me I'm proselytizing. I've had enough of the anti-Synthesis witch-hunt, and please excuse me if I'm not willing to put up with that crap anymore.

Edit:
Just browsing the first page. Q.e.d.

Ehh...How could you miss the Refusal and "Dying Free" thread? 

Honestly, I could care less what other Shepards do.  I find Synthesis repugnant.  But really, why would you give a crap what I or anyone else thinks of your Shepard's ending?

You like Synthesis.  I like Destroy.  However, to quote someone else from another "endings" thread.  "All endings make Shepard a dick."  We need to simply accept this an move on.  

[Zardoc]

I wouldn't call a horrible dystopian future ala "Brave New World" beautiful, but okay.

Modifié par Zardoc, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[Blue Gloves]

Meltemph wrote...

anorling wrote...


I knew the "narrow-minded" argument would pop-up sooner or later

Like I said earlier, alot of the pro snythesis people treat and respond to people who dont like it, like is some form of religion, and attaining this faith(synthesis) is how one perfects themselves. They have romanticized the fantasy so much in their head, that the synthesis ending has more to do with something other then just the ME series.

Like I said before, even though I find ME's snythesis to be incredibly silly, my biggest problem with ti is the those who proselytize it. 

@anoraling- It did take a surpriingly long time to pop up though, considering.  There have some trolls- there always are- but it's really nice to see an actual discussion going on that isn't just "UR NOOB BRAIN- DIE STUPID!!!!" "NO- UR STUPID! NE1 WHO DIZAGRRES IZ DUMBAZZ!"

@meltemph- hyeah, I'm a destroyer myself.  Mostly b/c I'm a cynical so and so and I think the star brat's a lying, manipulative little creep who makes synthesis sound good b/c it's the end result he's been shooting for so long already.  As for control- Shep's just not buying that she would retain enough of herself to remember why all the reaping is a bad idea in the first place, and she has just spent an entire game reassuring Garrus that she understands the "dreadful calculus of war" and is willing to sacrifice a billion over there so that two billion over here can live, no matter how horrible the decisions are and how much they will weigh on her.  But I understand people who like theother endings, and honesttly, I have noticed more raging against sythesis than the other options- although there are a few who have vehemently stated that anyone who stcks with a dstroy ending is little better than Hitler and probably needs to be jailed IRL, just in case.  Those people make me laugh just as much as the "We hate teh green!" folks:P

Modifié par Blue Gloves, 06 juillet 2012 - 04:30 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

ghost9191 wrote...
an attempt at being too perfect in my eyes

In a nut shell, this is how I feel about Synthesis. Along with being thematically repulsive.

[MrDavid]

Is it wrong that what the OP said made perfect sense to me?
*Sees incoming haters
Number One, Plot Shields to Maximum!

[noobcannon]

synthesis and control = "meh, maybe the reapers aren't that bad after all"

[DirtyPhoenix]

MrDavid wrote...

Is it wrong that what the OP said made perfect sense to me?
*Sees incoming haters
Number One, Plot Shields to Maximum!

Me too. I loved synthesis. But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around. Thats the utility of giving the player choice. You do what you think is the best, I'd do the same.
Now nough talk!  *FTL's out of the sol system.*

[N-Seven]

It's not my favorite ending. But I must admit, if someone out there in the galaxy pushed that button in real-life and I woke up with glowing eyes and 'technologically perfected', that would be kind of cool.

Twitter and Facebook would be going crazy. I'd probably take the day off from work, you know. To check the new body out and let things sink in for a bit.