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[kyban]

Blitzhawk65 wrote...

Makes you feel for all of the Bioware staff that put their hearts into the game and have had their work (some of it very good) crapped on because a couple people couldn't get the ending right. They get to feel the heat, and they don't have much of a chance to come out against it without feeling backlash from their employers.

I always feel for the little guys. Especially when the person/people in charge has such a big ego, they'll never see that their idea is flawed or bad.

[ld1449]

LaughingDragon wrote...


Yeah. Not to be a jerk to Casey and Mac because I'm sure on a personal level they are great guys...

But it was super super obvious from that Jessica Merizan interview that Casey and Mac just do not get it. 

How can we explain it to them? It would be like at the last 10 minutes of the Lord of the Rings, a great trilogy, Frodo is carrying the ring into Mount Doom and the same Hologram kid from ME3 steps out and is like SURPRISE I MADE THE RING LOL you must choose from 3 endings I pulled out of my ass that make no sense to anyone but me!

Or at the end of star wars, Vader picks up the emperor and kills him, then vader dies, then the Catalyst appears and is like HEY HOW YA'LL DOING IT"S MEEE the catalyst I control the force you must choose to make the galaxy green eyed synthetic zombies or (insert whack nonsense) etc.

So if Casey or Mac reads this, seriously, I was enjoying ME so much for the past years just like it was a classic legendary story like LOTR or star wars and then in the final hour you guys absolutely KILLED It for me. I mean totally killed it...like infinite NOOOOOOOOO.....

Actually, I didn't think they didn't get it in that interview. I think they got it very well

They got it so well that they were reading their lines through grit teeth and tight jaws.

Also, just to adress the level of dissapointment. I know a guy who actually threw his control and busted his TV.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Insane_Ivan wrote...

Yes they are in denial and they may need someone to simplify it to them. Here I will try.

Hey Casey and Mac! Your Art Sucks! Most of the plot holes are still there! Step down and let a real professional do some work on the ending!.

-Hold The Line

-Insane_Ivan

Like that will change anything. Hard to take serious to be honest, when you talk like that.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:56 .

[LaughingDragon]

ld1449 wrote...

Also, just to adress the level of dissapointment. I know a guy who actually threw his control and busted his TV.

I was like al pacino at the end of devil's advocate ....I burst into flames and was like NOOOOOOOO!!!!!.........

[LaughingDragon]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Like that will change anything. Hard to take serious to be honest.

Everyone talking about it knows nothing is going to change - but there might be changes for future content as a result.

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

Moirai wrote...

KevShep wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

I personally think Casey and Mac are in denial, and that %70+ don't like it and can't do anything about it.

It's pretty clear those two are in some serious denial however.

Was it ever confirmed that only those two wrote the ending if so wow that is sad that they didn't bother to get feedback from their team of amazing writers but those two are in denial or have too much pride to admit they were wrong

Drew K. was the one that did ME1 and 2 and then moved to Star Wars MMO.

Thats when Casey H. CHANGED what Drew had in store with the plot by creating his own plot. Thats why the crucible came out of nowhere and why ME2 adds nothing to the overall plot now!

Drew K. had some big plans in store with ME3 but thanks to Casey H. that didnt happen!

I was under the impression that the change in plot in ME3 was due to the original script getting publically leaked. They couldn't then continue with Drew's dark energy storyline and had to rewrite to suit.

If so, I wouldn't blame Casey for that. Well, unless he was the one that left it on a train seat or something....

I personally do not buy into the notion the ending was rewritten due to a script leak. If we are to believe that, it would entail an entirely redraft of possibly hours of content, not to mention any existing work, including but not limited to, animations, cinematic, CGI, voice recording and so forth. That is a significant amount of potential work. Once you factor in the financial costs. I find the whole idea unfathomable. Glowboy had to be in the original draft.

My personal opinion is Mac did not want to use Drew's ideas upon taking the reins. Justifiable in the sense, he wished to put his own stamp on the project. Unfortunately, Mac as a writer is the equivalent to a hyper craved individual with an attention span to match. His style matches those who have an idea that is "OMGAMAZING!" thus the team begins work, only for him to have an equally "amazing" idea sometime later and forgets the other even existed.

ME2's plot is a clear example of this given how disjointed and out of place much of it felt. Likewise, the theory holds merit when you consider how well written the LM are. Mac is good in small doses but seems to fall apart in anything that requires long established narrative cohesion.

[SpamBot2000]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Like that will change anything. Hard to take serious to be honest.

Everyone talking about it knows nothing is going to change - but there might be changes for future content as a result.

Well, you never know. It's obvious that this ending is pretty bad in terms of the franchise moving forward. 

[ld1449]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I personally do not buy into the notion the ending was rewritten due to a script leak. If we are to believe that, it would entail an entirely redraft of possibly hours of content, not to mention any existing work, including but not limited to, animations, cinematic, CGI, voice recording and so forth. That is a significant amount of potential work. Once you factor in the financial costs. I find the whole idea unfathomable. Glowboy had to be in the original draft.

My personal opinion is Mac did not want to use Drew's ideas upon taking the reins. Justifiable in the sense, he wished to put his own stamp on the project. Unfortunately, Mac as a writer is the equivalent to a hyper craved individual with an attention span to match. His style matches those who have an idea that is "OMGAMAZING!" thus the team begins work, only for him to have an equally "amazing" idea sometime later and forgets the other even existed.

ME2's plot is a clear example of this given how disjointed and out of place much of it felt. Likewise, the theory holds merit when you consider how well written the LM are. Mac is good in small doses but seems to fall apart in anything that requires long established narrative cohesion.

Not even that aparently. From what I understand he wrote almost the entirety of the Arrival DLC, arguably the most unpopular story related ME2 DLC

[ld1449]

SpamBot2000 wrote...


Well, you never know. It's obvious that this ending is pretty bad in terms of the franchise moving forward. 

Or backward for that matter.

Hey guys Mass Effect Prequel

We already know how this crap ends.

But prequel guys. You get to fight the first contact war.

Humans fight Turians, make peace like six months later, fight an uphill battle to get influence in galactic society and somewhere down the road ther'll be a starchild...Nah I'm good.

[string3r]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Like that will change anything. Hard to take serious to be honest.

Everyone talking about it knows nothing is going to change - but there might be changes for future content as a result.

Well, you never know. It's obvious that this ending is pretty bad in terms of the franchise moving forward. 

What I'd like to know is which genious at Bioware assigned the same guy who wrote ME2's absymal main plot to do ME3.

[marcustheMezz]

 I'm just praying they have something up their sleeve, that Levi of Dis stuff sure sounded like something that would greatly alter the endgame.
On topic, I just don't know what to say because I still can't believe that ending, I can't believe they wrote it, I can't believe that anyone who knows anything about mass effect would think it was a remotely good idea. Based on what they've said reguarding the ending, I would say, yes, they are in denial, but so am I. ;_;

[Zero132132]

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

Modifié par Zero132132, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .

[Tazzmission]

i still stand by original statement and that is i feel it wasnt finished on time

the ec imo is fantastic

[ld1449]

Zero132132 wrote...

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

Yes they were, a good chunk of people that I know on the HTL just said "**** it" and returned their games. The people happy you say tend to taper off after a post or two, the people dissapointed do so as well. Its a bridge that runs both ways.  Even on them staying. The people staying now sing the EC's praises and defend it. And a good portion, I'd say about a 1/4th or a 1/5th of the people who enjoyed the EC are people who enjoyed the endings as they were, so all n all if the divide is 50 50 Bioware really won over 30 to 40% of that number, they still failed to draw back the remaining70 to 60% of fans that were unsatisfied to begin with

Modifié par ld1449, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .

[Reorte]

Zero132132 wrote...

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

It takes time to sink in and the immediate reaction to the EC was that it felt a lot better. It's only afterwards after a bit of thought that it becomes apparent that it's not really fixed anything, just presented the same rubbish better. My own feeling is that it raises it enough to not damage the rest of the story that much, and I still like how it feels as long as I make an effort not to think about it.

[ericjdev]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Walters and Hudson do not the the artistic integrity of the Mass Effect team make. I feel for the rest of the writing team. You can tell by their initial tweets and posts that they were upset, and why wouldn't they be? Two narcissistic egomaniacs took the reigns from the team's hands and shat all over what should have been a masterpiece at the very last minute. Now the team has to grin and bear it so they can keep their jobs. If they didn't, their careers would be over in this industry. It's very small and close, still.

I wrote something similar to this. Why can't the two people who wrote it just say it instead of letting their team of amazing writers who they went behind their backs and wrote that thing they call an ending (that alone is a huge slap in the face) anyways they let them take the flak with them knowing they can't say no we didn't write this it angers me that they just ****** all over the amazing writers by doings that anyone else agree I am gonna stop before I rant

My conclusion is in line with these two posters

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Zero132132 wrote...

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

I know many people on BSN that liked the original ending for some reason or other while I know no one who isn't on BSN that did like it. Your opinion is based upon people you know and not all the ME3 players so what you say may or may not reflect the reality of the situation.

The fact is out of the people who cared enough to make a statement about the ending the majority said that it was dissapinting / lacking any form of coherant logic / just plain awful.

The fact that EA got voted a worse company than the Bank of America shows that clearly a large group of people did not like what was done regardless of wether that was a majority or not I doubt we will know because not all players will vote if you tried to ask everyones initial reaction the the ending.


Back to the op though, I think they know that clearly a huge amount of people were upset with the ending but are trying to say to themselves that they did nothing wrong with it and that the players just "didn't understand it".

[Bizantura]

I don't think the whole Bioware dev team of ME3 is in denial. However Walters and Hudson's ego seems very inflated so I do expect them to be both in denial.

[Legion of 1337]

I've looked up the original Dark Energy plot.

Not saying the current endings are fantastic, but that **** was even farther off the deep end than these are.

[alsonamedbort]

ld1449 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

Yes they were, a good chunk of people that I know on the HTL just said "**** it" and returned their games. The people happy you say tend to taper off after a post or two, the people dissapointed do so as well. Its a bridge that runs both ways.  Even on them staying. The people staying now sing the EC's praises and defend it. And a good portion, I'd say about a 1/4th or a 1/5th of the people who enjoyed the EC are people who enjoyed the endings as they were, so all n all if the divide is 50 50 Bioware really won over 30 to 40% of that number, they still failed to draw back the remaining70 to 60% of fans that were unsatisfied to begin with

Dude you just pulled those numbers out of absolutely nowhere

[PinkysPain]

ld1449 wrote...
Not even that aparently. From what I understand he wrote almost the entirety of the Arrival DLC, arguably the most unpopular story related ME2 DLC

Arrival was little more than Mac forcing the story down the path he wanted, by giving the universe no time to prepare he set the stage for the Starchild saviour of the universe.

[PinkysPain]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

I've looked up the original Dark Energy plot.

Not saying the current endings are fantastic, but that **** was even farther off the deep end than these are.

It's clearly a TTGL rip off ... say what you will about TTGL though, but at least the ending was emotionally satisfying.

[Kalundume]

Casey, Mac, Evil Chris and Mike were in denial (judging from their statements). They have seen nothing wrong in the original ending while crushing majority of their customers told them repeatedly that the endings are simply speaking a bad job, a quality failure or whatever else we call it. Extended cut forced by the community solved good part of the problems with it, but not all... and above all BW has lost the respect and confidence of their dedicated fans, that will be very difficult to recover.

Modifié par Kalundume, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:34 .

[ld1449]

alsonamedbort wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

Yes they were, a good chunk of people that I know on the HTL just said "**** it" and returned their games. The people happy you say tend to taper off after a post or two, the people dissapointed do so as well. Its a bridge that runs both ways.  Even on them staying. The people staying now sing the EC's praises and defend it. And a good portion, I'd say about a 1/4th or a 1/5th of the people who enjoyed the EC are people who enjoyed the endings as they were, so all n all if the divide is 50 50 Bioware really won over 30 to 40% of that number, they still failed to draw back the remaining70 to 60% of fans that were unsatisfied to begin with

Dude you just pulled those numbers out of absolutely nowhere

Look through the polls. It was done about a day or two after the EC came out.

"The original endings were to my satisfaction. The EC was a bonus"

"The original endings were not to my satisfaction, but the EC was to my satisfaction"

The EC was not to my satisfaction.

I don't know what the numbers are now but when last I looked it had like 15 votes in the first 35-40 on the second and third.

*Edit*

I do not need to pull numbers out of thin air to make my point just looking through the forums is enough to see how much of a ****up ME3 continues to be on its own.

Modifié par ld1449, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:43 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Kalundume wrote...

Casey, Mac, Evil Chris and Mike were in denial (judging from their statements). They have seen nothing wrong in the original ending while crushing majority of their customers told them repeatedly that the endings are simply speaking a bad job, a quality failure or whatever else we call it. Extended cut forced by the community solved good part of the problems with it, but not all... and above all BW has lost the respect and confidence of their dedicated fans, that will be very difficult to recover.

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!