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[alsonamedbort]

ld1449 wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

The majority of fans weren't disappointed. The majority of BSN, maybe, but with the EC, the vast majority of posts after it was first released were positive. Positive people just sort of taper off while the pissed off people stick around.

Yes they were, a good chunk of people that I know on the HTL just said "**** it" and returned their games. The people happy you say tend to taper off after a post or two, the people dissapointed do so as well. Its a bridge that runs both ways.  Even on them staying. The people staying now sing the EC's praises and defend it. And a good portion, I'd say about a 1/4th or a 1/5th of the people who enjoyed the EC are people who enjoyed the endings as they were, so all n all if the divide is 50 50 Bioware really won over 30 to 40% of that number, they still failed to draw back the remaining70 to 60% of fans that were unsatisfied to begin with

Dude you just pulled those numbers out of absolutely nowhere

Look through the polls. It was done about a day or two after the EC came out.

"The original endings were to my satisfaction. The EC was a bonus"

"The original endings were not to my satisfaction, but the EC was to my satisfaction"

The EC was not to my satisfaction.

I don't know what the numbers are now but when last I looked it had like 15 votes in the first 35-40 on the second and third.

But none of that supports what you're saying about 1/4 of the people people who liked the EC being people who liked the original endings, and certainly does not say anything about the feelings of BioWare customers as a whole.  It's all just conjecture on your part.

[ld1449]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

[MassEffect762]

The real kicker is that fans came up with a more clever/intelligent solution to wrap up the series.

I can't help but shake my head in disbelief at Mac and Casey.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

[Zanallen]

I assume that the devs have their own opinions on the endings which may or may not coincide with those of the fanbase. Which makes sense seeing as how the opinions of the fanbase aren't exactly a cohesive hivemind.

[ld1449]

alsonamedbort wrote...

But none of that supports what you're saying about 1/4 of the people people who liked the EC being people who liked the original endings, and certainly does not say anything about the feelings of BioWare customers as a whole.  It's all just conjecture on your part.

True. It is. But since Bioware doesn't release an official poll of its own (at least one without the skewed language of "Was the EC up to your expectations" "Yes it was though I expected it to be dissapointing") that we can properly use as a measuring stick all that I can gather is what I see on the multiple polls and forum posts here. And a good portion of the people I've seen defending the endings so far state "I didn't mind the original endings. The EC was a great addition" (paraphrasing) all I can do is bring in a rough estimate from what I've seen.

The moment there is an official poll, with an official statement, and non skewed wording or PR spin that proves me undoutebly wrong, I will hapilly swallow my words. But since Bioware is most likely so hell bent against doing this because then they can claim rather easilly that there are majority satisfied now, like they claimed a great many people didn't want the endings retconned completely pre EC, I won't hold my breath and will continue my "Speculashunz" along with whatever conjecture I reach with the breadcrumb trail of evidence I have available to me.

[LaughingDragon]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Like that will change anything. Hard to take serious to be honest.

Everyone talking about it knows nothing is going to change - but there might be changes for future content as a result.

Well, you never know. It's obvious that this ending is pretty bad in terms of the franchise moving forward. 

I don't think they want to move the franchise forward.

I think that they killed it on purpose and want to take the franchise in a new direction now. New direction / forward Idunno if that's the same thing.

[ld1449]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

[LaughingDragon]

If any ME team members are following this thread, I just want to make it clear that whenever we are saying "this is awful" we aren't saying you guys are awful or that you didn't do a great job - in fact most everyone loves ME and the game was very well made.

The awful is mostly referring to the ending which the team probably didn't have any say in anyway.

[LaughingDragon]

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

Yeah I second this guy 100%. During this whole debacle I was paying attention and there were multiple polls taken that all showed overwhelming hatred for the endings like 80% or more of fans. In addition to polls, look at the metacritic and amazon.com player reviews the results are overwhelmingly negative when compared to ME 1 and ME 2. 

[Brovikk Rasputin]

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

If you want to prove that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that, your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:05 .

[Mathias]

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

This. Pro Enders like to forget just what an unbelievable disaster the first month was. Everyone on the internet was hearing about this, and it was generally agreed upon from website to website that the ending was terrible. This even made the news on many media outlets. Bioware was the laughing stock of the entire game development community, even Blizzard took potshots at them.

[Mathias]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

If you want to prove that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that, your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

I don't think you have a clear understanding on how statistics work. You can't get the opinion of every single person who played the game, that's just impossible. A lot of people didn't care to voice their opinion after they played the game. A good way though to get the feel of what the audience as a whole felt, is to put up a poll on multiple different websites, asking them the same thing. Which is essentially what happened. And every single poll all showed that the majority of people who voted, hated the endings.

There was enough votes being made to make it almost a mathematical certainty, that if you managed to get every single person's opinion on the ending, it would've been negative.

[alsonamedbort]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

If you want to prove that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that, your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

I don't think you have a clear understanding on how statistics work. You can't get the opinion of every single person who played the game, that's just impossible. A lot of people didn't care to voice their opinion after they played the game. A good way though to get the feel of what the audience as a whole felt, is to put up a poll on multiple different websites, asking them the same thing. Which is essentially what happened. And every single poll all showed that the majority of people who voted, hated the endings.

There was enough votes being made to make it almost a mathematical certainty, that if you managed to get every single person's opinion on the ending, it would've been negative.

I'm not sure you have a clear understanding on how statistics work either, particularly the concept of response bias.

[Mathias]

alsonamedbort wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

If you want to prove that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that, your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

I don't think you have a clear understanding on how statistics work. You can't get the opinion of every single person who played the game, that's just impossible. A lot of people didn't care to voice their opinion after they played the game. A good way though to get the feel of what the audience as a whole felt, is to put up a poll on multiple different websites, asking them the same thing. Which is essentially what happened. And every single poll all showed that the majority of people who voted, hated the endings.

There was enough votes being made to make it almost a mathematical certainty, that if you managed to get every single person's opinion on the ending, it would've been negative.

I'm not sure you have a clear understanding on how statistics work either, particularly the concept of response bias.

No i do, but thanks for your input anyway.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .

[SpamBot2000]

LaughingDragon wrote...

If any ME team members are following this thread, I just want to make it clear that whenever we are saying "this is awful" we aren't saying you guys are awful or that you didn't do a great job - in fact most everyone loves ME and the game was very well made.

The awful is mostly referring to the ending which the team probably didn't have any say in anyway.

Absolutely.

[alsonamedbort]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
No i do, but thanks for your input anyway.

You'll have to excuse me then, I made that assumption when you said that putting polls on websites could get a statistically viable response.

[ld1449]

alsonamedbort wrote...


But none of that supports what you're saying about 1/4 of the people people who liked the EC being people who liked the original endings, and certainly does not say anything about the feelings of BioWare customers as a whole.  It's all just conjecture on your part.

I'm not sure what may have given you the impression that I'm trying to convince *you* of my statements. I don't beat my skull against walls. My counters to your arguments is primarilly so that if by some miracle someone from Bioware were to actually read this thread they won't just have your word for it and think that all is well lets move on to more DLC.

Or more likely if someone actually wants to protest these endings they don't just up and read your posts and decide to just walk away in the feeling that, again now all is well for Bioware as you seem to think. Things are not well for Bioware, they're far from well for Bioware

[Mathias]

alsonamedbort wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
No i do, but thanks for your input anyway.

You'll have to excuse me then, I made that assumption when you said that putting polls on websites could get a statistically viable response.

 
That and the overall reaction to the whole thing that went beyond polls.

[SpamBot2000]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If BW/EA wanted to poll players, the tools are already in place. They are tracking every ME playthrough. No huge leap of engineering to do a massive poll through that channel.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

If you want to prove that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that, your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

I don't think you have a clear understanding on how statistics work. You can't get the opinion of every single person who played the game, that's just impossible. A lot of people didn't care to voice their opinion after they played the game. A good way though to get the feel of what the audience as a whole felt, is to put up a poll on multiple different websites, asking them the same thing. Which is essentially what happened. And every single poll all showed that the majority of people who voted, hated the endings.

There was enough votes being made to make it almost a mathematical certainty, that if you managed to get every single person's opinion on the ending, it would've been negative.

I have a very clear understanding of how statistics work. If you want statistics to make sense, you gather people from different groups to answer your question's. Having these polls on websites for hardcore gamers only doesn't make sense when the game sells as many copies as ME3 did. 

If you were tasked to find out if the average person likes videogames, and you only asked people who spends a lot their time on videogame forums, the results would be extremely predictable, and not give a proper representation of the average person.

Same with the ME3 polls. You need the casual gamer who only play games a few hours each week. You need the hardcore fan who knows the lore in and out. You need the person who never played Mass Effect before 3. I don't believe that polls on videogame websites describes the thought of a 'crushing' majority of Bioware's customers. 

[alsonamedbort]

ld1449 wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...


But none of that supports what you're saying about 1/4 of the people people who liked the EC being people who liked the original endings, and certainly does not say anything about the feelings of BioWare customers as a whole.  It's all just conjecture on your part.

I'm not sure what may have given you the impression that I'm trying to convince *you* of my statements. I don't beat my skull against walls. My counters to your arguments is primarilly so that if by some miracle someone from Bioware were to actually read this thread they won't just have your word for it and think that all is well lets move on to more DLC.

Or more likely if someone actually wants to protest these endings they don't just up and read your posts and decide to just walk away in the feeling that, again now all is well for Bioware as you seem to think. Things are not well for Bioware, they're far from well for Bioware

Ridiculous insults aside, I never said all is well with BioWare—to the contrary, it's clear there are big problems.  I just think you should state your opinion as opinion, not as an objective fact with numbers that you don't have a sound basis in using.

[Mathias]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

Fairly certain I mentioned facebook in there too.

And since I forgot lets go with the polls at Gamefaqs.com, Ign, Kotaku, Game blender, and numerous other websites. This was covered from corner to corner of the internet all agreeing unanimously that the ending was utter crap don't try to pretend otherwise.

And on those sites you actually did have  potential for a bit more divisive result considering that alot of the commentators some of whom admitted to never playing the game posted things like "Its their game they should end it how they want" and it was still a marginal gap of several thousand sometimes even several ten thousand against the endings as it stood.

If you want to prove that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that, your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

I don't think you have a clear understanding on how statistics work. You can't get the opinion of every single person who played the game, that's just impossible. A lot of people didn't care to voice their opinion after they played the game. A good way though to get the feel of what the audience as a whole felt, is to put up a poll on multiple different websites, asking them the same thing. Which is essentially what happened. And every single poll all showed that the majority of people who voted, hated the endings.

There was enough votes being made to make it almost a mathematical certainty, that if you managed to get every single person's opinion on the ending, it would've been negative.

I have a very clear understanding of how statistics work. If you want statistics to make sense, you gather people from different groups to answer your question's. Having these polls on websites for hardcore gamers only doesn't make sense when the game sells as many copies as ME3 did. 

If you were tasked to find out if the average person likes videogames, and you only asked people who spends a lot their time on videogame forums, the results would be extremely predictable, and not give a proper representation of the average person.

Same with the ME3 polls. You need the casual gamer who only play games a few hours each week. You need the hardcore fan who knows the lore in and out. You need the person who never played Mass Effect before 3. I don't believe that polls on videogame websites describes the thought of a 'crushing' majority of Bioware's customers. 

Which is what happened. Polls were even put up on non gaming websites.

Also as a game developer i'd be a lot more concerned if it was the hardcore fanbase that said the ending was bad, rather than the casuals who don't know the lore very well.

[ld1449]

alsonamedbort wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...


But none of that supports what you're saying about 1/4 of the people people who liked the EC being people who liked the original endings, and certainly does not say anything about the feelings of BioWare customers as a whole.  It's all just conjecture on your part.

I'm not sure what may have given you the impression that I'm trying to convince *you* of my statements. I don't beat my skull against walls. My counters to your arguments is primarilly so that if by some miracle someone from Bioware were to actually read this thread they won't just have your word for it and think that all is well lets move on to more DLC.

Or more likely if someone actually wants to protest these endings they don't just up and read your posts and decide to just walk away in the feeling that, again now all is well for Bioware as you seem to think. Things are not well for Bioware, they're far from well for Bioware

Ridiculous insults aside, I never said all is well with BioWare—to the contrary, it's clear there are big problems.  I just think you should state your opinion as opinion, not as an objective fact with numbers that you don't have a sound basis in using.

WHOOPS

My bad Completely screwed up the quotation snips That was not dirrected at you. That was dirrected at this.

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

If you want to prove
that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to
gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of
different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people
who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more
than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that,
your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

And responding to you, (Again I appologize for the mix up) I can respect that. I freely admit that my evidence is breadcrumb evidence in lack of any official statement or non "Spin" made poll and I will try to make this distinction in the future.

(Again sorry for mixup)

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Which is what happened. Polls were even put up on non gaming websites.

Also as a game developer i'd be a lot more concerned if it was the hardcore fanbase that said the ending was bad, rather than the casuals who don't know the lore very well.

Maybe, but that is not what I'm talking about. I was simply curious about that guy's 'chrushing majority' statement. Something I have yet to see any proof off.