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[alsonamedbort]

ld1449 wrote...


WHOOPS

My bad Completely screwed up the quotation snips That was not dirrected at you. That was dirrected at this.

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

If you want to prove
that a crushing majority of players hated the ending, you'd have to
gather all kinds of different people. You'd need votes from all kinds of
different target groups (ME3 sold over a million copies), and people
who spend their time on videogame forums on the internet, is not more
than one or two groups out of many. If you can't provide me with that,
your "crushing majority" statement fails. 

And responding to you, (Again I appologize for the mix up) I can respect that. I freely admit that my evidence is breadcrumb evidence in lack of any official statement or non "Spin" made poll and I will try to make this distinction in the future.

(Again sorry for mixup)

Oh hahaha that makes a lot more sense.  No harm done.  I appreciate you at least seeing where I'm coming from.

[ld1449]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


Which is what happened. Polls were even put up on non gaming websites.

Also as a game developer i'd be a lot more concerned if it was the hardcore fanbase that said the ending was bad, rather than the casuals who don't know the lore very well.

I THINK they covered in on ESPN actually. I know ESPN did a review NOW of the Extended cut saying it does a somewhat passable job, but I'm not sure if they did it at the start of the whole mess.

[Mathias]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Which is what happened. Polls were even put up on non gaming websites.

Also as a game developer i'd be a lot more concerned if it was the hardcore fanbase that said the ending was bad, rather than the casuals who don't know the lore very well.

Maybe, but that is not what I'm talking about. I was simply curious about that guy's 'chrushing majority' statement. Something I have yet to see any proof off. 

 

It really depends on what he meant by "crushing majority". If he meant 95% then that obviously can be debated. Technically though i would call a majority to be crushing in itself because you don't want most people to hate your ending. That'd be something that would crush me as a writer.

[darknessmyown]

My amusement at many of the statements made through my skimming this thread is great enough that I feel I can attempt to make an at least somewhat level-headed statement regarding my opinion on this matter.

They have either got their heads buried in the sand at this point or their ego is too big to let them come out and admit their mistakes about the endings. But not just what the endings were, still are, and how they handled them. It's a shame really.

And I too wish to make it clear that my grievances, numerous as they are, are aimed solely at the endings in regards to my opinions for now. I rather enjoy the rest of the Mass Effect 3 game and feel that there was hard work put into it. A couple of folks just made it face plant out the door because of the ending they decided to hook onto it and defend with things like "artistic vision".

[ld1449]

Which is one of the worst defenses they really could have pulled tbh

[MeldarthX]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

http://www.computera...lew-the-ending/
http://news.cnet.com...fect-3s-ending/
http://www.destructo...ng-223615.phtml


This are just some of the polls all showing 75%+ disliking the ending - this isn't including the massive poll from the biggest German Computer mag - that had English and German users of all levels - not gaming mag - computer Mag.

To say you understand stats - then you should understand that BW does have a major issue on their hands - EC helped with some......not all.

What I think they have planned - well differs from most - but to say there's not proof that majority of customers that bought ME3 were not happy ......well can easily be shown that's not true.

[Mr Cloud]

So, I just listened to EC podcast and was like BIG WTF and LOL. After so many broken promises, they decided to promise things they didn't finally put in EC. That's just...wow. I didn't know that one can be so arrogant and blind.

Modifié par Mr Cloud, 06 juillet 2012 - 04:26 .

[DGMockingJay]

MeldarthX wrote...

http://www.computera...lew-the-ending/
http://news.cnet.com...fect-3s-ending/
http://www.destructo...ng-223615.phtml


This are just some of the polls all showing 75%+ disliking the ending - this isn't including the massive poll from the biggest German Computer mag - that had English and German users of all levels - not gaming mag - computer Mag.

To say you understand stats - then you should understand that BW does have a major issue on their hands - EC helped with some......not all.

What I think they have planned - well differs from most - but to say there's not proof that majority of customers that bought ME3 were not happy ......well can easily be shown that's not true.

Bulk of the gamers are usually casual.. Some have played only ME3, so they are not the good judge of the game.

Honestly, the good judge would b someone who have played the enitre series more than once, and has a good grasp of the lore. And most of them seem pissed to me.

So NO.. As someone here said before, if ur core fans of the game are unhappy, ur game sucks....

Modifié par DGMockingJay, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:03 .

[iggy4566]

 Look at my sig.

[clos]

MeldarthX wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

So where do you get these numbers from? "Crushing majority of their customers". Where did you get that from?!

Brovikk does he really need to bring out the multiple polls and inquiries from three months ago? I don't think so. We can all take it as a given that the original endings was hated by a "crushing majority" of their customers without having to pull out the spreadsheet, or the facebook page, or the HTL page, or the polls here, or the "yes we are listening" thread, or the can't get the ending we want after all thread that hit like 4k pages in 2 1/2 months.

I think we can take his word for it

BSN is not a "crushing majority" of BW's customers. So no, I won't take his word for it.

http://www.computera...lew-the-ending/
http://news.cnet.com...fect-3s-ending/
http://www.destructo...ng-223615.phtml


This are just some of the polls all showing 75%+ disliking the ending - this isn't including the massive poll from the biggest German Computer mag - that had English and German users of all levels - not gaming mag - computer Mag.

To say you understand stats - then you should understand that BW does have a major issue on their hands - EC helped with some......not all.

What I think they have planned - well differs from most - but to say there's not proof that majority of customers that bought ME3 were not happy ......well can easily be shown that's not true.

Brovikk just got slapped into place with reality and facts! LOL!

[CuseGirl]

Mr Cloud wrote...
So, I just listened to EC podcast and was like BIG WTF and LOL. After so many broken promises, they decided to promise things they didn't finally put in EC. That's just...wow. I didn't know that one can be so arrogant and blind.

The part where they said "that's not our story, we wouldn't know how to write THAT story" really pissed me off. Basically, they wouldn't know how to write an ending that didn't detach from the previous narrative, featured character closure, and didn't introduce a new antagonist (and arguably a new protagonist) in the final moments of a 3 piece epic? 

[Axe99au]

I reckon they've got a fair idea. Hell, I reckon after it had gone gold, and one or two of them replayed it them probably facepalmed when the realised the numerous issues. I feel sorry for them, because ME3 and the trilogy is generally excellent, but something strange happened along the way. It reminds me of the 'Robin Hood' movie done by Ridley Scott recently - the first 45 minutes or so were great, then it all went strange. Fortunately, ME3 doesn't have its 'Robin Hood' moment until right near the end, but you feel sorry for them that it did.