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[ld1449]

Dan Dark wrote...



Oh, wow... nice! It is a little troubling it's for the Montreal studio rather than Edmonton, but still, it's a good find! Thanks!

I put it down to them wanting some new blood on the team.

The entire group has been working on Mass effect and to not sound overtly dramatic could be "tainted" by Mac's "brilliance"

So the bosses decided to just ask for someone else from an alltogether different team.

Normally not a good move but it can't really get much worse can it.

When you hit rock bottom you can only go up eh???

[garrusfan1]

wantedman dan wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

The excuse only works if it is less than 10% of people hate the product (in this case the ending) otherwise it is just a cop out

I wouldn't necessarily give it a definitive, universal cap, as all situations and contexts are different.

Yeah but generally that is about right but when 88% of the people that beat a game say the entire ending needs to be completely redone and 9% say more closure and only 3% of the people liked it (this was based on that first big poll done on the endings) saying you can't please everyone is ridiculous 

[spockjedi]

I think the responsibles for the ending are suffering from backfire effect. The more we criticize the ending, the more they'll believe the ending was brilliant.

[comrade gando]

What I think is they are either so full of themselves and think they are the leonardo davinci of video games, but they simply arent, or they are planning something but idk what. Im inclined to say the former, but sincerely hope for the latter.

[wantedman dan]

ld1449 wrote...

Dan Dark wrote...



Oh, wow... nice! It is a little troubling it's for the Montreal studio rather than Edmonton, but still, it's a good find! Thanks!

I put it down to them wanting some new blood on the team.

The entire group has been working on Mass effect and to not sound overtly dramatic could be "tainted" by Mac's "brilliance"

So the bosses decided to just ask for someone else from an alltogether different team.

Normally not a good move but it can't really get much worse can it.

When you hit rock bottom you can only go up eh???

You could always lug in an oil rig.

[wantedman dan]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Yeah but generally that is about right but when 88% of the people that beat a game say the entire ending needs to be completely redone and 9% say more closure and only 3% of the people liked it (this was based on that first big poll done on the endings) saying you can't please everyone is ridiculous 

On that we agree. Using it to excuse Mass Effect 3's ending is absurd.

[ld1449]

spockjedi wrote...

I think the responsibles for the ending are suffering from backfire effect. The more we criticize the ending, the more they'll believe the ending was brilliant.

Well...if that's the case my faith in humanity just went AWOL

in all seriousness though, I highly doubt that could be the case.

Maybe with ONE person maybe TWO (Wink wink nudge nudge) but not an entire group.

Because if the whole team is like this then we're screwed.

[garrusfan1]

wantedman dan wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Yeah but generally that is about right but when 88% of the people that beat a game say the entire ending needs to be completely redone and 9% say more closure and only 3% of the people liked it (this was based on that first big poll done on the endings) saying you can't please everyone is ridiculous 

On that we agree. Using it to excuse Mass Effect 3's ending is absurd.

Yeah I knew you weren't defending the endings when I wrote that cause you were right you really can't put a definite cap on it.

[Conniving_Eagle]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Yes, I think Mac and Casey have deluded themselves into think their end was wonderful and so chock full of artistic integrity it is lightyears ahead of itself and refused to accept it's crap for what it is. They probably just gave us EC to shut most of us up (and unfortunetly it's working in many cases...)

As for the rest of the Mass Effect 3 crew...I think they are keeping their opinions to themselves, mostly because they could get fired for outright calling their bosses on their bullsh!t. Same reason why they didn't say "hey I think this end will just confuse everyone" when ME3 was still in production.

Ah yes, "Artistic Integrity" the phrase used to defend lazy, unfinished work that is negatively critisized. We have dismissed that claim.

Seriously, that's what they're calling it? They had to try to make an ending that bad. Take any past example of writing from Mass Effect, they could've made a better ending in their sleep. Someone on YouTube made an alternate ending video in a day, yet EC took them +3 months?

[wantedman dan]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Yeah I knew you weren't defending the endings when I wrote that cause you were right you really can't put a definite cap on it.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I completely got that.

[garrusfan1]

wantedman dan wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

Yeah I knew you weren't defending the endings when I wrote that cause you were right you really can't put a definite cap on it.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I completely got that.

I know 

[Krunjar]

Actually it's kinda ironic. Cos at this point it seems to me that the fans are in hardcore denial that they aren't going to get the exact ending they wanted. Cry more.

[D24O]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ah yes, "Artistic Integrity" the phrase used to defend lazy, unfinished work that is negatively critisized. We have dismissed that claim.

Seriously, that's what they're calling it? They had to try to make an ending that bad. Take any past example of writing from Mass Effect, they could've made a better ending in their sleep. Someone on YouTube made an alternate ending video in a day, yet EC took them +3 months?

The funniest thing about the Artistic Integrity defense is that there's a f***ing ad peddeling DLC in the OE.

[wantedman dan]

Krunjar wrote...

Actually it's kinda ironic. Cos at this point it seems to me that the fans are in hardcore denial that they aren't going to get the exact ending they wanted. Cry more.

Such a beacon of logic, you are.

[savionen]

D24O wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ah yes, "Artistic Integrity" the phrase used to defend lazy, unfinished work that is negatively critisized. We have dismissed that claim.

Seriously, that's what they're calling it? They had to try to make an ending that bad. Take any past example of writing from Mass Effect, they could've made a better ending in their sleep. Someone on YouTube made an alternate ending video in a day, yet EC took them +3 months?

The funniest thing about the Artistic Integrity defense is that there's a f***ing ad peddeling DLC in the OE.

Also retcons and rewrites in the EC, anyway. And the addition of Refusal/Reject even though they said they'd never add an ending.

[Conniving_Eagle]

D24O wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ah yes, "Artistic Integrity" the phrase used to defend lazy, unfinished work that is negatively critisized. We have dismissed that claim.

Seriously, that's what they're calling it? They had to try to make an ending that bad. Take any past example of writing from Mass Effect, they could've made a better ending in their sleep. Someone on YouTube made an alternate ending video in a day, yet EC took them +3 months?

The funniest thing about the Artistic Integrity defense is that there's a f***ing ad peddeling DLC in the OE.

True. You know what else is Artistic Integrity? Let's say my hypothetical art professor asks me to produce a 'work of art.' I go to the cafeteria and come back five minutes later with a raw, skinned potato impaled with toothpicks and glazed in ketchup. That's Artistic Integrity.

[D24O]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
True. You know what else is Artistic Integrity? Let's say my hypothetical art professor asks me to produce a 'work of art.' I go to the cafeteria and come back five minutes later with a raw, skinned potato impaled with toothpicks and glazed in ketchup. That's Artistic Integrity.

Some people smear feces on a canvas and call it art. 

[chuckles471]

You don't want to be the first person in Bioware to say "this sucks", even if you are right and everone outside Bioware agrees with you. If that went public they would "let you go" and you would find it very hard to get a job ever again.


It would be like being a known "snitch" in prison with shower time coming up.

[Dark_Caduceus]

They're likely in hardcore denial that the series was terrible.

[davidshooter]

The entire writing team outside of Mac and Casey know the ending is terrible, I'm sure it was the topic of many nights out for drinks when the rest of the team finally were let in on it.

Weekes' post was meant to get the truth out when it was clear Casey and Mac were not going to own up to how the ending was actually written once the backlash began.

The fact that Mac and Casey let the whole writing team take the bullet instead of owning up to the fact that everyone was kept in the dark is disgraceful and says all you need to know about both of them.

I'll never touch anything that either of them are involved with ever again.

I feel badly for the rest of the team that wrote Ranoch and Tuchanka and all the other good parts.

Modifié par davidshooter, 05 juillet 2012 - 04:19 .

[Uhh.. Jonah]

What is this post Weekes made? What does it contain? Can't believe I've never heard of it

[StevenG_CT]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

What is this post Weekes made? What does it contain? Can't believe I've never heard of it

Here's a link to an article about the post: http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

[MegaSovereign]

Actions speak louder than words.

I don't give a **** if they never say sorry. I'm just glad the EC fixed many of the problems with the original ending.

[MegaSovereign]

On a side note....God dammit why was Bioware planning to make the ending so damn nihilistic?

Pat Weekes had to argue to get the squad goodbyes and to not get Cortez automatically killed in the shuttle crash. Then there was the originally planned default "Harbinger kills squadmates" scene during the final run.

Seriously why were they trying to kill everyone/everything?

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Thanks for the link Steven. Wow is all I've got to say.