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[Rustedness]

Grogimus wrote...

I liked Mass Effect 3. Even the original endings. Perhaps I am indeed in the minority. So be it. Doesn't bother me at all.

Goddamn I envy you sir

[Conniving_Eagle]

Caenis wrote...
I am here because I enjoyed AND loved ME3, have been a huge fan of Bioware since waaay back when I was just a little kid. I grew up with bioware. But most importantly, I know that "Casey and Mac" are not 'solely' responsible for creating great content, they were part of a team, and that team made the game great, and without that team we wouldn't have had a great game and that at some point Casey and Mac decided to DITCH the team. This really isn't about the EC and what it does, it's not about how much we love or hate bioware, obviously we're still here because we enjoy Bioware's games enough to speak out when it does something that is out of the ordinary from the usual awesomeness that we expect. If anything it's a GOOD thing to give feedback even when it's negative, because that helps a product to improve. 

Just because we love something doesn't mean we should look passed where it went glaringly wrong and that we can't talk about it.

And yeah, it is nice to talk about this with other people. Just like it's nice to talk to people who like dogs instead of being surrounded by people who hate them. I assume your frustration comes because there are more people who hate dogs than there are that likes them and you are tired of hearing about it. I recommend instead of bashing people for having legitimate feelings and concerns create a support group for people who loved the game and want a refuge for other lovers who see no problem with it. (Nothing wrong with that either, just saying).

I don't think he deserved a post that long. Unfortunately, until some action is taken, there will always be 'Mass Effect apologists' who want to play the role of forum police and try to shoo away those of us who don't like the original endings when we try to discuss them.

[Binary_Helix 1]

The Eruptionist wrote... It seems incredibly fickle of the fanbase to turn on the creators of Mass Effect at the drop of the hat simply because they disagreed with how they should end their game..

To you it's just about ME3 to us it symbolizes a lot more. Bioware games are on the decline from DA2, TOR, and now ME3. Our favorite developer is on the road to ruin right now and if we don't do everything in our power as consumers to reverse the trend then we are at fault too.

Also Casey Hudson and Mac Walters were not the "creators" of Mass Effect. Drew Karpyshyn was.

[Oilking72]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Oilking72 wrote...

Wow, there's a whole lot of pathetic going on here. All the little theories and assumptions going on. So awesome. And the venomous bile and crap being thrown at two people that were integral in bringing you the series you supposedly love.

What are you people still doing here? You obviously think Bioware is a joke being ordered around by EA stooges. You apparently think the writing is beyond bad. And yet you're going to hang around here like a disease, spewing negativity and nothing original either.

As far as I'm concerned the EC has made the endings a lot better. Are they fantastic? No, they're probably in the 7 territory, IMO. But they've made me want to play this game again and I'm happy for that.

Please continue your ever repetative routine as you're obviously enjoying yourselves.

It's amusing how ME3's apologists can never make a post without name calling and condescension.

If you like ME3 then you got your money's worth but spare us your high and mighty attitude.

You deserve everything I said and then some.  I love it when the second someone calls anyone out on their bs and interrupts your little rage fest they get jumped on for name calling or some other crap. What a joke.

And if you actually feel that Bioware ruined ME3 then I feel sorry for you.

Modifié par Oilking72, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:48 .

[Caenis]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Caenis wrote...
I am here because I enjoyed AND loved ME3, have been a huge fan of Bioware since waaay back when I was just a little kid. I grew up with bioware. But most importantly, I know that "Casey and Mac" are not 'solely' responsible for creating great content, they were part of a team, and that team made the game great, and without that team we wouldn't have had a great game and that at some point Casey and Mac decided to DITCH the team. This really isn't about the EC and what it does, it's not about how much we love or hate bioware, obviously we're still here because we enjoy Bioware's games enough to speak out when it does something that is out of the ordinary from the usual awesomeness that we expect. If anything it's a GOOD thing to give feedback even when it's negative, because that helps a product to improve. 

Just because we love something doesn't mean we should look passed where it went glaringly wrong and that we can't talk about it.

And yeah, it is nice to talk about this with other people. Just like it's nice to talk to people who like dogs instead of being surrounded by people who hate them. I assume your frustration comes because there are more people who hate dogs than there are that likes them and you are tired of hearing about it. I recommend instead of bashing people for having legitimate feelings and concerns create a support group for people who loved the game and want a refuge for other lovers who see no problem with it. (Nothing wrong with that either, just saying).

I don't think he deserved a post that long. Unfortunately, until some action is taken, there will always be 'Mass Effect apologists' who want to play the role of forum police and try to shoo away those of us who don't like the original endings when we try to discuss them.

I write long posts, I cannot lie. :innocent:

[Reptilian Rob]

StevenG_CT wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

What is this post Weekes made? What does it contain? Can't believe I've never heard of it

Here's a link to an article about the post: http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Confirmed fake ages ago, literally before the dinosaurs. 

[Mathias]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

StevenG_CT wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

What is this post Weekes made? What does it contain? Can't believe I've never heard of it

Here's a link to an article about the post: http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Confirmed fake ages ago, literally before the dinosaurs. 

I believe it was called fake simply because Weekes wanted to keep his job.

[Binary_Helix 1]

nvm

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:52 .

[RogueBot]

I'm very interested in seeing Dragon Age 3. DA2, TOR, and ME3 surely must feel like a gauntlet for Bioware, considering how highly praised and loved they used to be. I wonder what they've learned and how they'll act on it.

DA3 will be a critical game for Bioware, that's for damn sure.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The ending is good.

[Conniving_Eagle]

RogueBot wrote...

There are certain things that are widely considered "bad", such as Jar Jar Binks, Uwe Boll movies, and Gigli. Mass Effect 3's ending is another one of those things, and there were enough people working on the series that surely some of them recognize its problems. Whether or not their opinions were taken into account when crafting the ending is another thing.

The "masterminds" behind the ending will probably never truly recognize the problems with it, in the same way that George Lucas will never understand Jar Jar hate.

With all due respect. Mass Effect is not 'their' game. Mass Effect belongs to us, the fans. Without us, they can't make Mass Effect. We give them the ability to make their game, with EA being the middle man. Do you know why the sun was worshipped in early human civilization? Because without it, humans would never able to farm and they would die. Mass Effect and Bioware's existence relies on us. If nobody wanted to buy a game from Bioware, EA would eliminate the studio. So if I were in charge, I would do my best to please my fans, and I'd be very careful not to do something that would betray or insult them, like that ending.
 
There's already a good amount of people who currently see no incentive to buy future DLC for Mass Effect or future Bioware/EA titles.

[goodventure]

ld1449 wrote...

Furthermore, Mac is no longer the lead writer for future DLC work, as seen by a tweet (now deleted) and a solicitation for a new lead writer for the ME project that was leaked.

And Casey has gone from Dirrector to Producer as well. So yeah, they know.

I'm hoping they'll fix it. Hoping as much as I can.

Not sure if they will but regardless, I have no doubts that Mac and Casey are basically blacklisted in their own offices atm

After the whole ending debacle, I'm not surprised if this news is true.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Caenis wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Caenis wrote...
I am here because I enjoyed AND loved ME3, have been a huge fan of Bioware since waaay back when I was just a little kid. I grew up with bioware. But most importantly, I know that "Casey and Mac" are not 'solely' responsible for creating great content, they were part of a team, and that team made the game great, and without that team we wouldn't have had a great game and that at some point Casey and Mac decided to DITCH the team. This really isn't about the EC and what it does, it's not about how much we love or hate bioware, obviously we're still here because we enjoy Bioware's games enough to speak out when it does something that is out of the ordinary from the usual awesomeness that we expect. If anything it's a GOOD thing to give feedback even when it's negative, because that helps a product to improve. 

Just because we love something doesn't mean we should look passed where it went glaringly wrong and that we can't talk about it.

And yeah, it is nice to talk about this with other people. Just like it's nice to talk to people who like dogs instead of being surrounded by people who hate them. I assume your frustration comes because there are more people who hate dogs than there are that likes them and you are tired of hearing about it. I recommend instead of bashing people for having legitimate feelings and concerns create a support group for people who loved the game and want a refuge for other lovers who see no problem with it. (Nothing wrong with that either, just saying).

I don't think he deserved a post that long. Unfortunately, until some action is taken, there will always be 'Mass Effect apologists' who want to play the role of forum police and try to shoo away those of us who don't like the original endings when we try to discuss them.

I write long posts, I cannot lie. :innocent:

Thoughtful of you atleast

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:50 .

[Grogimus]

Rustedness wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

I liked Mass Effect 3. Even the original endings. Perhaps I am indeed in the minority. So be it. Doesn't bother me at all.

Goddamn I envy you sir

It's really rather simple(for me).  I've been playing pen and paper roll playing games for 25 years.  When we roleplay, we really get into it...no, not wearing garish costumes and such, but we do actual roleplay....almost like acting in a play. 

When playing Mass Effect, I played Shepard.  When I got to the endings, I knew immediately that something was wrong....out of kilter.  The conversation with The Illusive Man was surreal.  And when the Starkid started talking....he was lying to me, no doubt.  Something was very wrong.  So...I choose destroy and was satisfied that I'd made the right decision.

This was my interpration of the ending......People focus SO much on the endings...and forget Tuchanka, Rannoch, Horizon, Palaven, Sur'Kesh...etc....great missions.  It was a good game.  In my humble opinion of course.....

Modifié par Grogimus, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:55 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

goodventure wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Furthermore, Mac is no longer the lead writer for future DLC work, as seen by a tweet (now deleted) and a solicitation for a new lead writer for the ME project that was leaked.

And Casey has gone from Dirrector to Producer as well. So yeah, they know.

I'm hoping they'll fix it. Hoping as much as I can.

Not sure if they will but regardless, I have no doubts that Mac and Casey are basically blacklisted in their own offices atm

After the whole ending debacle, I'm not surprised if this news is true.

Woops, quoted the wrong person. Sorry, I'm not used to the quotation option being above each post.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Oilking72 wrote...You deserve everything I said and then some.  I love it when the second someone calls anyone out on their bs and interrupts your little rage fest they get jumped on for name calling or some other crap. What a joke.

And if you actually feel that Bioware ruined ME3 then I feel sorry for you.

Uh oh I "got everything I deserved" from some nobody forumite. Are you gonna beat me up now too? LOL

The only one raging here is you. Everyone else is discussing stuff civilly. Maybe you can't handle different opinions?

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Damnit, there I go again. This is really embarrasing.

[Grogimus]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

There are certain things that are widely considered "bad", such as Jar Jar Binks, Uwe Boll movies, and Gigli. Mass Effect 3's ending is another one of those things, and there were enough people working on the series that surely some of them recognize its problems. Whether or not their opinions were taken into account when crafting the ending is another thing.

The "masterminds" behind the ending will probably never truly recognize the problems with it, in the same way that George Lucas will never understand Jar Jar hate.

With all due respect. Mass Effect is not 'their' game. Mass Effect belongs to us, the fans. Without us, they can't make Mass Effect. We give them the ability to make their game, with EA being the middle man. Do you know why the sun was worshipped in early human civilization? Because without it, humans would never able to farm and they would die. Mass Effect and Bioware's existence relies on us. If nobody wanted to buy a game from Bioware, EA would eliminate the studio. So if I were in charge, I would do my best to please my fans, and I'd be very careful not to do something that would betray or insult them, like that ending.
 
There's already a good amount of people who currently see no incentive to buy future DLC for Mass Effect or future Bioware/EA titles.

With all due respect, it is their game.  They created it.  You can like it or not.  There are no guarantees when you buy a game.  Some will like it and some will not.  You don't decide which.  It's. A. Game. 

[Mathias]

Btw people let's try to play nice.

Also this isn't a thread for Pro Enders to come on here, talk about how they loved the ending and then insult people in the process. If you liked then ending, then fine whatever, but stick to the topic please.

[CronoDragoon]

I think there's enough denial going around on both sides of the fence.

[awwnuts07]

ld1449 wrote...

Furthermore, Mac is no longer the lead writer for future DLC work, as seen by a tweet (now deleted) and a solicitation for a new lead writer for the ME project that was leaked.

And Casey has gone from Dirrector to Producer as well. So yeah, they know.

Seriously? Happy they weren't fired (sucks to be out of a job), but glad they're off the creative duties.  

[clos]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

StevenG_CT wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

What is this post Weekes made? What does it contain? Can't believe I've never heard of it

Here's a link to an article about the post: http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Confirmed fake ages ago, literally before the dinosaurs. 

You really don't get around much, do you? The story as it stands is that Weekes was forced to say he didn't write it without actually denying he agreed with what was written. He basically had to say something since his account wasn't hacked and he didn't want to get fired so that's what they concocted, that it was fake. However, the account used was his for years and the people at Penny Arcade were very upset it became known that it was his account because he would never be able to post insider info on their forums again.

Definitely, not fake. It was just more PR garbage from Bioware.

On to other issues: The best news about this thread is that Walters/Hudson are no longer in charge of the direction of the game. Look, you screwed the pooch, you deserve the demotion. Next time, let the whole team in so a proper ending can be written. If the whole team can polish that turd OG ending into the EC ending (terrible still but palatable) imagine what they could have done if they had gotten their hands in it from the beginning.

I don't wish ill on them and I'm not one to say they should be fired. But, as a paying customer, I sure am glad they no longer call the shots. They managed to ruin the entire ME franchise.

Modifié par clos, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Grogimus wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

There are certain things that are widely considered "bad", such as Jar Jar Binks, Uwe Boll movies, and Gigli. Mass Effect 3's ending is another one of those things, and there were enough people working on the series that surely some of them recognize its problems. Whether or not their opinions were taken into account when crafting the ending is another thing.

The "masterminds" behind the ending will probably never truly recognize the problems with it, in the same way that George Lucas will never understand Jar Jar hate.

With all due respect. Mass Effect is not 'their' game. Mass Effect belongs to us, the fans. Without us, they can't make Mass Effect. We give them the ability to make their game, with EA being the middle man. Do you know why the sun was worshipped in early human civilization? Because without it, humans would never able to farm and they would die. Mass Effect and Bioware's existence relies on us. If nobody wanted to buy a game from Bioware, EA would eliminate the studio. So if I were in charge, I would do my best to please my fans, and I'd be very careful not to do something that would betray or insult them, like that ending.
 
There's already a good amount of people who currently see no incentive to buy future DLC for Mass Effect or future Bioware/EA titles.

With all due respect, it is their game.  They created it.  You can like it or not.  There are no guarantees when you buy a game.  Some will like it and some will not.  You don't decide which.  It's. A. Game. 

Don't worry. Right now, Bioware's future is no longer my concern.

[ld1449]

Grogimus wrote...

Rustedness wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

I liked Mass Effect 3. Even the original endings. Perhaps I am indeed in the minority. So be it. Doesn't bother me at all.

Goddamn I envy you sir

It's really rather simple(for me).  I've been playing pen and paper roll playing games for 25 years.  When we roleplay, we really get into it...no, not wearing garish costumes and such, but we do actual roleplay....almost like acting in a play. 

When playing Mass Effect, I played Shepard.  When I got to the endings, I knew immediately that something was wrong....out of kilter.  The conversation with The Illusive Man was surreal.  And when the Starkid started talking....he was lying to me, no doubt.  Something was very wrong.  So...I choose destroy and was satisfied that I'd made the right decision.

This was my interpration of the ending......People focus SO much on the endings...and forget Tuchanka, Rannoch, Horizon, Palaven, Sur'Kesh...etc....great missions.  It was a good game.  In my humble opinion of course.....

You roleplay? What game? Pathfinder? DnD? Something else???

At any rate, I can respect that. The original ending was crap but it definitely let you headcannon almost everything.

I'd try to do it myself really, the problem is, I started playing ME when I was fifteen or so.

Now as I've grown up I've come to appreciate stories, and to find one that I can say is GOOD is difficult at the best of times. Mass Effect was supposed to be something that I could look back on and say "That was the sci-fi of our generation."

But to see it reduced to this, little more than an internet joke, is more painful to me, personally, than what's probably considered healthy in all truth:P

So that's why I'm so angry at this situation.

They had GOLD in their hands. GOLD and in less than ten minutes mannaged to turn it into lead. They jumped right over silver and bronze.

Now they've brought it up to the level of tin. So to speak. But god damnit I want to see this story at least be from start to finish be within the category of gold silver and bronze. Not Gold Gold Silver Gold silver Gold- tin.

It deserves to go out better than this in my opinion and maybe I'm biased because I knew it as a teenager but still. Thats my opinion.

[Geth_Gestalt25]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

I personally think Casey and Mac are in denial, and that %70+ don't like it and can't do anything about it.

It's pretty clear those two are in some serious denial however.

Was it ever confirmed that only those two wrote the ending if so wow that is sad that they didn't bother to get feedback from their team of amazing writers but those two are in denial or have too much pride to admit they were wrong

That sounds very likely.....