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[Ranger Jack Walker]

Well, the relays were destroyed completely in all 3 endings before but they're not in the EC. So atleast they admit that some of the ending was horrible. That's a start.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Casey and Mac have become the Uwe Boll of game writing. The only thing that could possibly make the whole ME3 debacle even more perfect would be if Uwe Boll directed the Mass Effect film.

[Spartas Husky]

oh god no... PLEASE NO. I love halo, gears, Mass effect... the last one not so much.

But those are games that are better left untouch. Dont make a movie, Specially mass effect after the the ending zhitstorm. Dont PLEASE,

[RogueBot]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

There are certain things that are widely considered "bad", such as Jar Jar Binks, Uwe Boll movies, and Gigli. Mass Effect 3's ending is another one of those things, and there were enough people working on the series that surely some of them recognize its problems. Whether or not their opinions were taken into account when crafting the ending is another thing.

The "masterminds" behind the ending will probably never truly recognize the problems with it, in the same way that George Lucas will never understand Jar Jar hate.

With all due respect. Mass Effect is not 'their' game. Mass Effect belongs to us, the fans. Without us, they can't make Mass Effect. We give them the ability to make their game, with EA being the middle man. Do you know why the sun was worshipped in early human civilization? Because without it, humans would never able to farm and they would die. Mass Effect and Bioware's existence relies on us. If nobody wanted to buy a game from Bioware, EA would eliminate the studio. So if I were in charge, I would do my best to please my fans, and I'd be very careful not to do something that would betray or insult them, like that ending.
 
There's already a good amount of people who currently see no incentive to buy future DLC for Mass Effect or future Bioware/EA titles.

Glad to see this was a misqoute, haha. I was racking my brain thinking of how to respond to it considering I could not see the connection between your post and mine at all, but didn't want to be rude.

Modifié par RogueBot, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:16 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

StevenG_CT wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

What is this post Weekes made? What does it contain? Can't believe I've never heard of it

Here's a link to an article about the post: http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Confirmed fake ages ago, literally before the dinosaurs. 

I believe it was called fake simply because Weekes wanted to keep his job.

Oh lord, conspiracy theories...

[Fuzzfro]

The extended cut was decent and did revive the series for me, the endings still have issues and cause some inconsistencies with the plot.
I would have liked to seen the elements introduced in ME2 (the human reaper) have more of an effect on the narrative and it was crushing to see all the big decisions made throughout the story to have such little effect.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Oh lord, conspiracy theories...

I'm sure the WMDs are somewhere in Iraq. I always believe the offical story.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:26 .

[Geth_Gestalt25]

I neither like or hate how the ending was implemented, but even with the EC it still ruined the mysterious Lovecraftian effect of the Reapers.

Modifié par Geth_Gestalt25, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[ld1449]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Oh lord, conspiracy theories...

Remember Rob

Speculation for everyone

[Obadiah]

Grogimus wrote...

I liked Mass Effect 3. Even the original endings. Perhaps I am indeed in the minority. So be it. Doesn't bother me at all.

I too was satisfied with the original ending... once I got over the price of victory. It made sense to me that the cost of stopping the Reapers was as high as the current civilization (destroyed Relays).

I liked the EC as well, a bit too happy - but I dont have any real problems with it. I welcomed the added exposition and 4th option as well.

Modifié par Obadiah, 05 juillet 2012 - 02:57 .

[ld1449]

Geth_Gestalt25 wrote...

I neither like or hate how the ending was implemented, but even with the EC it still ruined the mysterious Lovecraftian feel of the Reapers.

I agree, though I know alot of people did ask for an explanation of the Reapers origins.

I discussed it frequently with my friends about it. They wanted an explanation I thought it was better left un explained.

THAT'S something that can be left up to speculation.

I even had my own theories about why the Reapers do what they do and why Harbinger kept saying "We are your salvation through destruction."

I won't go into it here but I think my explanation was MUCH more logical than

"Yo dog, I heard you didn't wanna get wiped out by synthetics. So I made synthetics with organics to wipe you out to save you from being killed by synthetics."

[daaaav]

The feeling that the conclusion did not organically emerge from the narrative was palpable for me.The Villain, Protagonist and Plot were all arguably replaced during the conclusion which is probably a result of poor planning.

Casey Hudson's assertion that they wouldn't know how to write a different story during the EC interview is especially revealing...

They know.

[DGMockingJay]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

There are certain things that are widely considered "bad", such as Jar Jar Binks, Uwe Boll movies, and Gigli. Mass Effect 3's ending is another one of those things, and there were enough people working on the series that surely some of them recognize its problems. Whether or not their opinions were taken into account when crafting the ending is another thing.

The "masterminds" behind the ending will probably never truly recognize the problems with it, in the same way that George Lucas will never understand Jar Jar hate.

With all due respect. Mass Effect is not 'their' game. Mass Effect belongs to us, the fans. Without us, they can't make Mass Effect. We give them the ability to make their game, with EA being the middle man. Do you know why the sun was worshipped in early human civilization? Because without it, humans would never able to farm and they would die. Mass Effect and Bioware's existence relies on us. If nobody wanted to buy a game from Bioware, EA would eliminate the studio. So if I were in charge, I would do my best to please my fans, and I'd be very careful not to do something that would betray or insult them, like that ending.
 
There's already a good amount of people who currently see no incentive to buy future DLC for Mass Effect or future Bioware/EA titles.

I like to think it as OUR game. BioWare and Fans have equal participation in making the game a SUCCESS. Without them, obviously there is NO Mass Effect.. And without us, there is no fanbase to create mass Effect for..
The game belongs to us, just as much it belongs to them. And when the game is bad, it hurts the interests of boith the parties!!

Modifié par DGMockingJay, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:33 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

ld1449 wrote...

Geth_Gestalt25 wrote...

I neither like or hate how the ending was implemented, but even with the EC it still ruined the mysterious Lovecraftian feel of the Reapers.

I agree, though I know alot of people did ask for an explanation of the Reapers origins.

I discussed it frequently with my friends about it. They wanted an explanation I thought it was better left un explained.

THAT'S something that can be left up to speculation.

I even had my own theories about why the Reapers do what they do and why Harbinger kept saying "We are your salvation through destruction."

I won't go into it here but I think my explanation was MUCH more logical than

"Yo dog, I heard you didn't wanna get wiped out by synthetics. So I made synthetics with organics to wipe you out to save you from being killed by synthetics."

The most interesting part about the Reapers is that the DNA of countless civilizations can be used to create a dreadnought that resembles a terrifying cuttle fish.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:39 .

[DGMockingJay]

ld1449 wrote...

Geth_Gestalt25 wrote...

I neither like or hate how the ending was implemented, but even with the EC it still ruined the mysterious Lovecraftian feel of the Reapers.

I agree, though I know alot of people did ask for an explanation of the Reapers origins.

I discussed it frequently with my friends about it. They wanted an explanation I thought it was better left un explained.

THAT'S something that can be left up to speculation.

I even had my own theories about why the Reapers do what they do and why Harbinger kept saying "We are your salvation through destruction."

I won't go into it here but I think my explanation was MUCH more logical than

"Yo dog, I heard you didn't wanna get wiped out by synthetics. So I made synthetics with organics to wipe you out to save you from being killed by synthetics."

For me, I did not even wanted Reapers to have a complex reason to destroy Synthetics, other than Self interest. I always thought they destroy sentients since we are a genetic mutation, and before we become a threat large enough to wipe Reapers out, they wipe us. 

Why in the hell, the writers thought it would b fine to make the Reapers the real Heroes of the story and Commander Shepard, just a ruckus in the world!!! Even if they wanted to show the Reapers as a character, doing good, in their own twisted ways, the execution was really poor!!

[Siansonea]

It doesn't matter what the devs realize or don't realize. What matters is what effect their actions will have going forward. I suspect there are very few diehard BioWare fans anymore, and that's bound to have an effect on the bottom line. I know I am much more interested in what Ubisoft, Quantic Dream and Naughty Dog are doing these days than anything BioWare has in the pipeline. They fooled me twice, with ME2 and ME3, and I won't be fooled again.

[Oilking72]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Oilking72 wrote...You deserve everything I said and then some.  I love it when the second someone calls anyone out on their bs and interrupts your little rage fest they get jumped on for name calling or some other crap. What a joke.

And if you actually feel that Bioware ruined ME3 then I feel sorry for you.

Uh oh I "got everything I deserved" from some nobody forumite. Are you gonna beat me up now too? LOL

The only one raging here is you. Everyone else is discussing stuff civilly. Maybe you can't handle different opinions?

Lol.  You're missing the whole point.  You want to turn it around and make it look like I've been the one ****ing and moaning about 5 min's of an excellent game for months on end.

So this is me civilly telling you that I think you and many other like minded individuals are ridiculous.  Take it, leave it, I don't really care.

[Mcfly616]

Why would they be in denial? I thought the EC was awesome...

[Conniving_Eagle]

DGMockingJay wrote...
For me, I did not even wanted Reapers to have a complex reason to destroy Synthetics, other than Self interest. I always thought they destroy sentients since we are a genetic mutation, and before we become a threat large enough to wipe Reapers out, they wipe us. 

Why in the hell, the writers thought it would b fine to make the Reapers the real Heroes of the story and Commander Shepard, just a ruckus in the world!!! Even if they wanted to show the Reapers as a character, doing good, in their own twisted ways, the execution was really poor!!

I suspected that the Reapers were an incredibly advanced AI created by a galactic civilization hundreds millions of years ago that went rogue and slaughtered all advanced oragnic life due to their self-proclaimed superiority.

[ld1449]

daaaav wrote...

The feeling that the conclusion did not organically emerge from the narrative was palpable for me.The Villain, Protagonist and Plot were all arguably replaced during the conclusion which is probably a result of poor planning.

Casey Hudson's assertion that they wouldn't know how to write a different story during the EC interview is especially revealing...

They know.

Mind elaborating a bit?

As it stands I can finish that sentence in a number of ways.

They know...how to write it.

They Know...that its bad.

They know...that its not fixed.

And what makes you reach this conclusion (whichever it might be)

And do you think they'll do something about it???

[daaaav]

To be honest, they probably made a mistake by making the game about the Reaper war in the first place.

Think about it, the Prothean Reaper war supposedly lasted 300 years. They were trying to make a game about starting fighting and ending a potential 300 year conflict....

I reckon they should have kept the focus to STOPPING the Reapers. That way they don't even have to fully explain them. The plot of ME3 should have been finding a way to use the relays to fling the buggers further out into dark space or something.

Not as Grand but doable in ONE game.

[daaaav]

ld1449 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The feeling that the conclusion did not organically emerge from the narrative was palpable for me.The Villain, Protagonist and Plot were all arguably replaced during the conclusion which is probably a result of poor planning.

Casey Hudson's assertion that they wouldn't know how to write a different story during the EC interview is especially revealing...

They know.

Mind elaborating a bit?

As it stands I can finish that sentence in a number of ways.

They know...how to write it.

They Know...that its bad.

They know...that its not fixed.

And what makes you reach this conclusion (whichever it might be)

And do you think they'll do something about it???

I'd like to think that the quote is PR mumbo jumbo. Simply, they want to admit they were stupid without looking stupid.

They probably wont fix ME but maybe the next cycle can be saved...

[Silasqtx]

I fail to see the point of this thread.

It's their product and they can do whatever they want with it. People will like it? Good. People won't? idontgiveaf*ck.jpg

Lots of people didn't like it? They lack the hindsight we have to continue the franchise, so it's understandable. We'll do the EC to both please them and keep our vision intact for the sake of the next products related to this series.


Guys, it's over. The Catalyst takes form of a kid, Shepard has nightmares and TIM can control people. GET OVER IT.

[fiendishchicken]

daaaav wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

The feeling that the conclusion did not organically emerge from the narrative was palpable for me.The Villain, Protagonist and Plot were all arguably replaced during the conclusion which is probably a result of poor planning.

Casey Hudson's assertion that they wouldn't know how to write a different story during the EC interview is especially revealing...

They know.

Mind elaborating a bit?

As it stands I can finish that sentence in a number of ways.

They know...how to write it.

They Know...that its bad.

They know...that its not fixed.

And what makes you reach this conclusion (whichever it might be)

And do you think they'll do something about it???

I'd like to think that the quote is PR mumbo jumbo. Simply, they want to admit they were stupid without looking stupid.

They probably wont fix ME but maybe the next cycle can be saved...

Sadly, I am too entrenched in this cycle to care about the next. I just feel betrayed as a consumer more than anything, even to this day. BioWare and I have gone our separate ways, so to speak. 

[ld1449]

DGMockingJay wrote...

For me, I did not even wanted Reapers to have a complex reason to destroy Synthetics, other than Self interest. I always thought they destroy sentients since we are a genetic mutation, and before we become a threat large enough to wipe Reapers out, they wipe us. 

Why in the hell, the writers thought it would b fine to make the Reapers the real Heroes of the story and Commander Shepard, just a ruckus in the world!!! Even if they wanted to show the Reapers as a character, doing good, in their own twisted ways, the execution was really poor!!

Well I didn't want to get into it but my personal reason for the reapers wiping out organics was the following.

We can assume that the very first civilization, the one that didn't have to worry about Reapers eventually populated the entire galaxy.

And populated

and populated

and populated

eventually its as Thane said back in ME2 "When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, the last remedy is war, which provideth for every man through victory or death"

The whole galaxy was overpopulated and fighting for the resources left.

Their AI's eventually came to a solution. And wiped the galaxy clean of life, harvesting the organics. They determined to never allow this to hapen again, knowing that eventually, when new organic life evolved and surfaced it would, if allowed to fully flourish.

This is why Harbinger and Sovereign state "You are Chaos. We Are Order." And "We are your salvation through destruction."

This, I thought, fit perfectly for their motivations and their justification in those statements. Because it is coldly logical to a degree and they can't simply let organics advance more than every 50k years because then it'll just be too much of a pain to wipe us out.

It could even have been called a "Mercy" to let us live 50k years in relative peace, not just harvesting us as our species achieves Space travel.

This is where I thought it was going. Not space magic and circular logic. But by sheer innevitability that was so far away none of the organics could fully fathom it.