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[StarStruck010]

red_ryder wrote...

What's a decent score for someone like me with N7 rating around 120+? I have two ultra-rares - BWII and Saber I. My best rare is a Claymore III.

To be honest I've never really looked at my score, just how I ranked amongst the four. Usually I'm dead last when playing with higher N7s. What's up with people N7 in the 2000s, with ultra rares X playing in bronze?

Too many factors to consider even giving you a hint on an acceptable score (Team comp, over powered teammate [you know the claymore X gi that brought level 3 equipment to bronze], etc.)

On a side note, I'm n7 1050. The same as Zhk3r in the Last video I watched of his, and I know that those 2 n7 300s (Cyonan and CzechKronner) would dance circles around me in any game. N7 1-20 usually means this is your first character, 20-120 shows how many characters you've leveled to max, 120+ shows how much you like promoting. That is all that n7 really shows.

[Grammaton Dryad]

StarStruck010 wrote...

While score IS indicative of how much damage you put out, it is not the only tool that needs to be used when measuring a teammate's abilities.

I have had off-days where I feel like I'm playing like crap and we barely get past wave 10, but I'm 40+k score ahead of the next guy. That's because I'm not doing my job, and not helping the team actually get the job done. I've also had perfect days where I can't help but feel that I'm approaching the best play I've ever done, and never been able to claw my way out of 3rd place on the scoreboard. That's because the team just sync'd perfectly (whenever someone went down I was there to pick them up, and when I went down he picked me up immediately. There were biotic explosions everywhere and it was beautiful. etc.)

I would say that (excluding a backfire-spec QFI that has to clutch multiple rounds, which has mostly gone away with the Tech Vuln. nerf) if your score is WAY below everyone else's then you're probably doing something wrong, but if you're in the middle of the pack and helping the team as much as you can (calling flanks, supporting, de/buffing, etc) then you're doing just fine.

As an example: my friends and I ran gold a while back. My friend played DA, and I played AA. I never used warp the entire game, only stasis on dangerous targets (phantoms mostly) and throw to detonate Reave. Somewhere around 90% of the game could be summed up by our communication over the mic ("Reave." "Throw." "Reave." "Throw.") I came in dead last in these games, but I was damn well contributing by detonating everything she reaved.

^this^ Verbatim.

Excellent example as well.

[Uchimura]

You can burn objectives, go out of your way to res the dead, and still maintain the high score.

[red_ryder]

I think I'm just not accustomed to multiplayer. In SP campaign, I play a very careful infiltrator, moving slowly and taking my time to line up shots and flank. MP seems like a mad rush for kills and score, with players running around the map like crazy. It drives me nuts.

I've tried it myself, when playing as a batarian soldier or krogan. Only then did I get 2nd place. If I play more carefully I'm usually last, or 3rd if there are lower ranked N7s in the group.

Maybe MP is just too fast paced for an old fogey like me.

Modifié par red_ryder, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:39 .

[TianKY]

As a general rule, as long as you're within the same order of magnitude as the top 1 or 2 players, you're fine. Meaning a disparity between 50k and 100k isn't really much to be concerned about.

On the other hand, if you're not even within the same order of magnitude (e.g. scoring 5k when someone else is making 100k) then there is something seriously wrong with what you're doing.

[Saradas85]

Score is not important at all, unless you end up with like 20-30k in gold. What really matters is the synergy between team mates. My average score is 65-80k, I rarely top the score but I had many matches where I saved the situation. What does really matter is how smart you play, and if you are good in a team.

Modifié par Saradas85, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .

[Exosnake]

spjeanfritz wrote...

I'm about n7 rank 2500 and i've seen lots of players like you don't forget we are in a co-op game and any body thinking that low score means bad player just suck at this game or he just had to many Gold / Firebase White / Geth.

For me i play both side DAMAGE and Most of the time SUPPORT.

Let me tell you this SUPPORT players are the best in my opinion cause they are the true key of success on Gold cause there is no run to it: Team mates will go down and will need to revive.

Plus for me it require tatical skill to play support cause you need to constantly be aware of what is going on.

I'm not saying that DAMAGE character are useless cause we need people to take down as quickly as possible the enemies.

SO BE PROUD ENGINEER AND GIVE THEM HELL. Your Job is to keep us alive will we kill them (co-op game).

Pretty much this.
I personally have to admit that I do not really approve of the "real" support classes. I'm usually the guy that however HUGELY depends on them.
Don't get me wrong, I revive people where I can, do the objective as quick as possible but in general I'm more of the slayer type. 

With that being said it's essentiall for me to have somebody on the team that can support me.
When I use my sniping infiltrator a Stasis Asari close to me is a gift from heaven.
While using any close range shotty class, a geth restoring geth turret close to me is a gift from heaven.
Fighting an Atlas/Banshee/Prime and seeing teammates warping/reaving the **** out of those bad boys is a blast.
Creating decoys/any sort of turrets so that the fire is concentrated on those things rather than on me is another great thing.

This and may more strategies won't get you many points but can be critical to the success of the team.
So no score does not necessery indicate if you're a good player or not.

I'd rather have a playerwith 20k score but maybe like 2-3 deaths than a player with 60k score but 15 deaths.
As long as you stick to the ojective, truly support and do NOT DIE AGAIN AND AGAIN, you can consider yourself an asset to the team no matter what your score says.

DO NOT DIE

[tatski]

Score is not important... What is more important are credits!  Good support are hard to come by, we're kind of the unsung heroes because we make every mission easier for the team and ensure its success.. As long as you know what you're doing and don't stray far from the team then it's all good.. The thing that drives me crazy are players that go Rambo on a bunch of enemies half way across the map on gold and ends up getting himself killed then expects to be resurected.. I like rezzing comrades (In fact most of my Infils are specced for TC duration) but there are just some retards that doesn't learn and keeps on doing the thing over and over. It kinda makes you feel that your effort in rezzing them is wasted...

Modifié par tatski, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:02 .

[Saradas85]

I just realized I took a screenshot some days ago, I had the best match since I play multiplayer. As you can see from the pic, our scores are almost equals, infact we were beasts perfect team play



Ricognitore stands for Cerberus Vanguard

Modifié par Saradas85, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:54 .

[MWaHa]

This thread again? I thought we had dismissed this claim.

But seriously, you need to take score in stride. Score is really only valid depending on your role, and depending on the other roles your team has. If your role is to be the heavy hitter (think infiltrator specced for damage) and you have a low score, yeah, something is wrong. If you're a medic or a debuffer, you shouldn't necessarily expect as high a score.

[Poison_Berrie]

There are too many factors for score to be considered equal to skill.
If you did your best and weren't constantly getting yourself or your team in trouble you aren't bad.

[Silkerin]

it depends... if it is a support character... it means he is playing well and is actually doing its job and helping the team...
now... if its someone who is just screwing around... obviously it is a bad player...

as someone who plays with a support character, it kind of annoys me when people see my score and it is usually 3rd or 4th, and keep saying I am not doing anything, when I lock down some corridors they arent looking, debuff annoying enemies, distract bosses, revive them, dont die as often as most agressive players do and when they all die, I can actually clutch the rest of the wave to shut them up. *while playing with a non infiltrator character and with a "useless" class*

but that is just me...

[P51Mus7ang]

Score doesn't matter, I am if the opinion this multiplayer game is set up to show us that working together using a group of characters with a variety of weapons can make the match go very smooth, that being said from my own experience there are characters needed for support. It has been my observation that if you put everyone on the front line, especially in gold, you will probably fail.

Sometimes I play support, I keep track of my scores by character, weapon and load out, just because I am a curious person and it comes with my real life background, love stats:), when I play support my score will be 1/3 to 1/2 vs my front line character, all that matters to me is we have fun, we get our credits and extraction, that is what I fight for.

[Mattymc92]

When I play a infiltrator il revive and do the objectives I still come first 90% of games and the other 10% 2nd

[jaydubs67]

Score is an indicator of whether you are pulling your weight, but only if the scores are drastically different. So if the highest player has 120k, and you have 60k, you're fine. But if the highest player has 150k, and you have 20k, you're doing poorly.

This only applies on gold. On bronze and silver, it's often a race to see who can get to enemies fastest. Playing conservatively can leave you dead last by a wide margin, simply because your teammates were playing super-aggressive.

[DoubleHell]

Ceteris paribus - if all things were equal (exactly the same class, race, weapon, build etc.), then score could be an indicator of skill.

Otherwise, score is an indicator of how fast the character (not the player) is able to effectively terminate hostiles.

[Eire Icon]

Bear in mind if you put 4 very good players on the same squad - one of them has to come 4th - naturally that dosen't make them a bad player

[nicethugbert]

I've saved a match many times while being out scored just by giving people good advice and being an extra pair of eyes while spectating. So, it's possible to score low and still be a good player, or at least not the worst player.

[red_ryder]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Score is an indicator of whether you are pulling your weight, but only if the scores are drastically different. So if the highest player has 120k, and you have 60k, you're fine. But if the highest player has 150k, and you have 20k, you're doing poorly.

This only applies on gold. On bronze and silver, it's often a race to see who can get to enemies fastest. Playing conservatively can leave you dead last by a wide margin, simply because your teammates were playing super-aggressive.

This is it exactly! I don't have any friends playing ME3 MP, so am restricted to public matches. 90% of the time I am playing with super aggro people, or at least one super aggro person who gets 2 to 3 times the score of everyone else. My playstyle is the exact opposite, and I feel stressed out trying to get more kills.

[cylstudio81]

While it might be an indication of what you did during the match to a certain extend, but it does not completely reflect the amount of contributions you have put in, nor does it really makes you a bad player, don't feel bad for been the last guy on the scoreboard. Well, unless you really didn't do anything at all and your teammates had to carry you through the entire match, then it a whole different story.

ME3 MP is a co op game after all, what more important then top the score board is finding a role you are comfortable with and make sure the whole team get through the mission alive. It would be a shame if one top the scoreboard but not able to work with the team, then one may as well just solo the game. The whole idea is to enjoy the game through co operation, I've seen matches where the entire team almost got overrun by the Reapers throughout most of the waves, but because the team cover each others' back, the extraction went smooth,which makes the moment more epic, and memorable then ever.

So, don't feel bad if you don't top the scoreboard, it because of your efforts, the entire team got out alive, however if you really feel the urge to make it to the top, then stock up on the equipments, in time you will become a walking tank.

[Psycho Pisces]

Maurodax wrote...

Hi there!

I am a pretty average player, i usually don't have any problem with silver and definetly not bronze (unless i get to cocky), so i've started playing Gold and cleared it twice.. not thanks to me tho, mostly because of my teammates.
Anyways, enough about me.

From reading different threads aswell as listening to teammates ingame, i've gotten the feeling that most people think that a low score is equal to a bad player, but is that really true?
I am a huge fan of supporting, so i play engineer (Mostly human male/female or Quarian Male) or increased duration infiltrator, just so i can remove the shield from as many enemys as possible, tactical scan (i have "enemy vision" or whatever it's called, instead of the extra damage) or as an infiltrator run around invis trying to revive or get those devices that are placed in an open space.
So all that usually makes me score 3rd or 4th place, specially on gold. But am i really all that useless just because i have a low score?
 
I've outmost respect for people who top the scoreboards, like the first time i cleared gold, the nr1 guy had around 100k more than the rest of us, so he clearly was the one doing ****, although rest of us helped. But both me (as an engineer) and our adept, were mostly supporting, not really killing anything but rather disable them (stasis bubble and whatever engineers paralyzing thingie is called).

So i guess what i'm trying to say, is it really true that low score = bad player?

Sorry for my bad english.

Regards Maurodax

The one and only thing that you have to remember about this game is... score(points or N7 ranking) means nothing.   People who understand this wont care WHERE you are in the scoreboards just as long as you work with your team to sucessfully get the credits.   People who think otherwise, are definitely playing the wrong game... There is no benefit to topping, or being at the bottom of the score list.. It doesn't reflect skill or lack of it, and it doesn't give you achievements or affect your exp gained from the game.  

[astheoceansblue]

Edalborez wrote...
Low score does not always mean a player is bad. Score is only indicative of how much you kill.

The main goal of this game is to kill. If your score is too low in comparison to the room, then you're not doing very well relatively.

Too many factors to consider to call it absolute, but if you're consistantly only scoring 20k in Gold while all the randoms you play with are getting 70k+, you should probably head to Silver to practise your killing.

There are very few classes that have support roles that take up enough actions that your score would be that low if you're being efficient. Even if you're de-buffing and laying shield  turrets, you still have a gun... even if you're running a duration infiltrator, you still have a gun...

Score doesn't tell us everything by a long shot, but it's a good indicator especially if it's consistent.

Psycho Pisces wrote...
The one and only thing that you have to remember about this game is... score(points or N7 ranking) means nothing.   People who understand this wont care WHERE you are in the scoreboards just as long as you work with your team to sucessfully get the credits.   People who think otherwise, are definitely playing the wrong game... There is no benefit to topping, or being at the bottom of the score list.. It doesn't reflect skill or lack of it, and it doesn't give you achievements or affect your exp gained from the game.   

 
The faster you kill stuff, the faster you can clear and get your credits. So if someone isn't killing fast enough it can affect things. It can also slow the pace and fluidity of a game if you're constantly picking someone up or having to solo the end of a round. I like my games to have rhythm and flow, not to be frustrating and stumbling. A low score is often an indicator of someone who needs to be supported too often, which can make playing Gold a chore.

Which is why I try to play with people i know, or at least have one other friend on my team when I play with randoms.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .

[Thrazesul]

If bad players are going to be judged by low score... well... I'm shifting myself since sometimes I get over 100k and sometimes only 40k depending on who I play with and what class. With my male quarian engineer I usually just scan all the time, allowing others to see enemies and use grenades (of course shoot when I can). I don't think that makes me a bad player even if I land just 40-50 k that round while another went around owning everything with his shotgun and got over 100k.

Sometimes you'll "carry" and sometimes you'll be "carried". As long as you help the team in any way you can.

[JoxerNL]

Score means squat, ignore it completely and just have fun, as long as your contributing and not faceplanting every wave your fine.

I had a good example run on my Engineer a few days back, team consisting of a Vanguard, Adept, Sentinel and me Engineer.
Now i could easily have been all over the score by getting off my techbursts, but that would mean missing out on the potential of letting them do their Bio Explosions mostly due to stacking issues, instead i sat back, tangled up the mob spawns/waves with my Drone, stripped shields and just spammed Incinerate.

End of the match i did only a pittance of damage compared to the top ranking person.
Their response to this : Hey want to do another match?
That tickled me and i was grateful i didn't endup with the type that think score is all there is to the game.

[WaffleCrab]

In most cases low score is indicative of your role in the game or how you play the game, not wether or not your good or bad. 24 of my all characters are specced for support / flank support role. and i am all over the scoreboard. i am the last usually as many times as i am the first. Map and enemy type is a huge factor in your score too, for example an overload CC build on a support does not do nearly as much damage to reapers as it does to geth. but yeah, individual score rarely means anything besides nothing.

Edit: Also dont forget the impact of your choices in weapons with your build.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:14 .