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[A Wild Snorlax]

Bladedrummer wrote...

In short: no, most of the time.

/endthread

More like yes, most of the time.

Scrubs and people that generally score low will disagree obviously

[Fortack]

Rubios wrote...

If you want to reduce the game to "kill things the most efficient way" everything but a Krysae X Geth Infiltrator cleaning spawns is completely pointless.

Including scores.

Not really. The point of this game is to kill the enemy, not to dance with them. It's irrelevant how you kill them as long as you do b/c if you don't you're a poor addition to any team. Difficulty levels are there to give people options how they want to play the game. If you always score few points on gold then that difficulty level is beyond your (current) skill and you're probably better off in a bronze / silver match b/c you're a "bad" gold player. It's as simple as that.

People who play the GI with the Krysae are (usually) poor players who have to rely on cheap tricks to kill stuff in a gold match. Good players don't need that PoS to do well and they will enjoy themselves playing all characters to search for the most effective way to play each one. I dunno about you but I don't have much fun when I am unable to kill stuff and having a good time is what playing this game is about (for me at least). Score is irrelevant in the fun department, but we're talking about team contribution here. Some people might think it's fun to troll but that doesn't make them "good" players.

[Pyro666999]

A bad player will always have a low score, but someone with alow score is not automatically a bad player.

A good player will always have a high score, but someone with a high score is not outomatically a good player.

It depends on the match, it depends on the style of play, but usually when you see someone 50-60k infront of you, it does not matter what support role you played, he is better than you.


There is an exsception.
An awfull player will have either a high or low score, but he will not give a single **** about the team and won't revive.

[WaffleCrab]

Pyro666999 wrote...

A bad player will always have a low score, but someone with alow score is not automatically a bad player.

A good player will always have a high score, but someone with a high score is not outomatically a good player.

It depends on the match, it depends on the style of play, but usually when you see someone 50-60k infront of you, it does not matter what support role you played, he is better than you.


There is an exsception.
An awfull player will have either a high or low score, but he will not give a single **** about the team and won't revive.

Actually when i am playing support. If i see myself having a 30K or higher leadi consider that i have done something wrong and at that point i usually seek a way to generate more kills for the team in general and buff the team or debuff the enemy somehow if viable with the class i chose, or bind the enemy to an easy killzone. Also. usually when you see someone 50-60K in front of you, 90% of the time they fall into 2 of the following categories. A.) they dont give a **** about the team, they just want to kill things. B.) The rest of the team has already sort of nominated the person as the main damage dealer.

the 10% cases usually fall to the category of getting the perfect circumstances for the class and build and rest of the team being 5 or more levels behind you.

[Nexpeed]

Even if they are support class, all engineer classes usually ranked 2nd to 3rd, rarely they ranked last.

[Star fury]

Pyro666999 wrote...
A bad player will always have a low score, but someone with alow score is not automatically a bad player.

A good player will always have a high score, but someone with a high score is not outomatically a good player.

Pretty much. Controlling spawns, being a rearguard, checking objectives, sitting in the hack circle don't give high score but it's vital for your team. There are too many unsung heroes who do all this and get no praise.

[JoxerNL]

Nexpeed wrote...

Even if they are support class, all engineer classes usually ranked 2nd to 3rd, rarely they ranked last.

Depends entirely upon which map and which party composition.

[Computron2000]

Maurodax wrote...
So all that usually makes me score 3rd or 4th place, specially on gold. But am i really all that useless just because i have a low score?

The answer is no. I have played with some who score 3rd but who i know do a lot of important things that get no points, from stasising phantoms who blindsided the group, to throwing drone/decoy to aggro the enemy. In those cases, i expect the entire team would have been in deep sh*t or it would take bloody long to complete the round if they didn't do those important stuff.

Those who are bad players are obvious by seeing what they do when the play. 

• 1/2/3/4 objective is literally just behind you and you can't be arsed to do it.
  
  
• Hack circle and you're just outside the circle dying and after being revived, continue to stay outside the circle and die.
  
  
• Pizza objective and the carrier decides that he prefers to go to a safari AND refuses to drop the package
  
  
• Vanguards who decide to charge across the map into spawns and die repeatedly
  
  
• Or other classes who rambo but don't have the skill and die far away, again and again. (If you have the skill, fine, don't keep overestimating yourself when you dropped 6 times in 3 waves)

Some actions of probably bad or might be forgetful/empty players

• Don't medigel when the surroundings is clear in wave 10
  
  
• Don't use your rockets when its obvious the hack circle is getting overrun just so someone else might do something
  
  
• People who don't tap to extend the revive period while bloody far away (wth are you still in that game if you don't want to try?)

Modifié par Computron2000, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[Osred]

I've seen a bad player only rack 9k in a gold match. Worst player I've ever seen. So yes I think a low score is a way to measure a bad player. Depending on the game difficulty ofcourse

[Jonathan Shepard]

Well, when even the guy in 3rd has 20000 more points on Wave 5, then yes.

Most of the time, no.

[Grub Killer8016]

Not really. It depends on who you've been matched with and what class they have. Trust me, you have bad days every now and then

[Tallgeese_VII]

Low score does not mean a lot. You judge player by how they played not by score.

However, when I see a player who is Really really bad... I see their score to be extremely low at the end of the game. Given that.. it`s ok to have low score but don`t score less than 20% of what 1st place scored.

Modifié par Tallgeese_VII, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:02 .

[Antaresss]

Low score doesn't mean you are a bad player. For me a bad player=dies all the time, doesn't use any equipment, fails the team AND has low score.

[Grub Killer8016]

Antaresss wrote...

Low score doesn't mean you are a bad player. For me a bad player=dies all the time, doesn't use any equipment, fails the team AND has low score.

Exactly

[landylan]

Score does matter. I think I've already said it, but the biggest help is killing things. Unless they're following you around setting off tech bursts or BE's, their final score matters.

If you have a low score, use some freaking rockets and don't let yourself bleed out. Don't use rockets on wave 11 either.

Modifié par landylan, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[Zero132132]

I usually am in the top two scorers, so I don't say this defensively, but having a high score doesn't mean you're a good player, and having a lower score doesn't mean you're a bad player, unless you're WAY lower than everyone else, and you've been around since wave 1.

I played one gold match where one infiltrator absolutely refused to revive people. Since I usually won't go for revive unless I'm the closest guy, this did lead to problems early on. Basically, we had to work around how much of a ****** he was for the rest of the match, and because he let people bleed out, his score would be better than theirs since they were removed from the match for the rest of the wave.

It wasn't one of those things where he revived early on and stopped because the rest of the team was dying (although the other two were some annoying 12 year olds, and they probably weren't good enough to play on gold), either. From the start, he didn't revive anyone, didn't go for objectives, and generally didn't do anything except cloak and shoot. I was still 2nd, and while he did outscore me by 30k, using TC to deflect aggro to the rest of us without ever using it to rez us was kinda ****ed up, and we ended up failing on round 6 because the ****head tried to last man it after me and one of the 12 year olds got hit by a grenade (the other had been down for a while), but he still didn't bother with the objectives.

So sometimes, high-scorers actually DO actively suck, and do actively **** up the game. Some low scorers just don't have the weapons to keep up, and know that their best contribution is going for objectives and revives (maybe deflecting aggro if they've been playing for a while and can handle some extra bullets heading their way).

That being said, I do find it fun to try outscoring people. Always make me think of the scene in that LotR movie where the dwarf and elf are taking their kill-count and ****-talking each other over who's doing better. It's good-natured fun, so long as you don't start looking down on people

I can't help but think that most of the people that say score is super-important are like the ****** I was talking about earlier, where they basically take actions to **** over the rest of the team, and then see their high score as proof that they "carried." Hate players like that.

Modifié par Zero132132, 08 juillet 2012 - 06:21 .

[Fortack]

Nexpeed wrote...

Even if they are support class, all engineer classes usually ranked 2nd to 3rd, rarely they ranked last.

There are no such things as "support classes" in this game.

landylan wrote...

Score does matter. Unless they're following you around setting off tech bursts or BE's, their final score matters.

Those who only setup or detonate combos are very bad players b/c they're doing nothing most of the time. Weapons are an indispensable part of gameplay. Those who ignore (or hardly use) them are bad players.

[Hakumen]

How low? If it's 20K on UUG, while other teammates has 100+K, then yes. If it's 4 players with 100K each and the difference is about 5-10K, then no.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Fortack wrote...

Nexpeed wrote...

Even if they are support class, all engineer classes usually ranked 2nd to 3rd, rarely they ranked last.

There are no such things as "support classes" in this game.

landylan wrote...

Score does matter. Unless they're following you around setting off tech bursts or BE's, their final score matters.

Those who only setup or detonate combos are very bad players b/c they're doing nothing most of the time. Weapons are an indispensable part of gameplay. Those who ignore (or hardly use) them are bad players.

There goes my self-esteem.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 08 juillet 2012 - 06:45 .

[Fortack]

You'll get a nice discount at my database to get you a proper shotgun Locutus. Blasting some goons in the face with a Claymore does wonderful things to your state of mind