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[DGMockingJay]

Specialist Traynor
>Says her family did not have money for college education, so she had to take scholarship
>Uses a Toothbrush worth 5000 Credits

See?? Money makes u douche....

[Guglio08]

Tritium315 wrote...

You should show us, not tell us, that you're an amateur writer. 

I used this preface because my chosen career path colours my opinion to some degree. Obviously I take tropes and literary deconstruction more seriously than others, but I also wanted to let people know that, no, I'm not some professional like the BioWare folks are, and that should be taken into consideration as well. 

All of which is adequately conveyed by the use of word "amateur," which does in fact work as a "show, don't tell" concept. "Show, don't tell" only truly works for people who are actually willing to look beyond what they are told directly, which is obviously not you.

Modifié par Guglio08, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .

[DMWW]

grey_wind wrote...

My problem with Traynor is more the fact that she makes Liara's entire ascent to Shadow Broker and the arc that dealt with that completely useless.

Apart from Liara using her Shadow Broker info sources and Prothean-archaelogy skills to find the Crucible and so save the entire Galaxy, the arc is, indeed, fairly irrelevant.

[Carlthestrange]

Well, lets see the problems.

-Obviously fake accent
-Showers in her underwear
-Gives off a general sense of... annoyance.

[Aurica]

I think the OP just don't like Traynor. I could count a few instances that her intel helped Shepard. I.e Grissom Academy, Sanctuary & that planet Jacob is on...

Aside from that if you talked to her, she does other things like piece data coming through QEC together so that they can be coherently understood.

[Subguy614]

The only problem I had with Traynor was the way she was flirting with my broShep only to tell me she don swing dat way.

[Carlthestrange]

Subguy614 wrote...
The only problem I had with Traynor was the way she was flirting with my broShep only to tell me she don't swing dat way.

Friendzoned.

[twi323]

Aurica wrote...

I think the OP just don't like Traynor. I could count a few instances that her intel helped Shepard. I.e Grissom Academy, Sanctuary & that planet Jacob is on...

Aside from that if you talked to her, she does other things like piece data coming through QEC together so that they can be coherently understood.

I have to agree.  I think Traynor is one of the more thought out characters in ME.  If you want to pick holes at each character in the same vain, don't be told something but see it, you can do it with just about everyone of them...

[Oransel]

She refused to play in bed. Bad.

[KiwiQuiche]

DMWW wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

My problem with Traynor is more the fact that she makes Liara's entire ascent to Shadow Broker and the arc that dealt with that completely useless.

Apart from Liara using her Shadow Broker info sources and Prothean-archaelogy skills to find the Crucible and so save the entire Galaxy, the arc is, indeed, fairly irrelevant.

Yup and that's it for the rest of the game. GO SHADOW BROKER.


Honestly, couldn't she have tracked down TIM's base? The female krogan? Anything else?

[Wulfram]

Carlthestrange wrote...

-Obviously fake accent

Not a fake accent.  Or at least, the actor went to an appropriately posh school for her to have acquired it honestly.

[krasnoarmeets]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Well, lets see the problems.

-Obviously fake accent
-Showers in her underwear
-Gives off a general sense of... annoyance.

Err... she's from London. She really is English. 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2542896/ 

The rest is true. Showering in your underwear is just plain stupid, but I suspect that's rating related and she is definitely annoying. 

[KiwiQuiche]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

Well, lets see the problems.

-Obviously fake accent
-Showers in her underwear
-Gives off a general sense of... annoyance.

Err... she's from London. She really is English. 

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2542896/ 

The rest is true. Showering in your underwear is just plain stupid, but I suspect that's rating related and she is definitely annoying. 

Well at least she takes some clothes off, unlike Shepard who just jumps in there fully clothed.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:29 .

[Sajuro]

Guglio08 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

She still gives you more info than the so-called Shadow Broker.

We see, through chat logs, that Liara as the Broker is diverting resources to the Crucible project.

And yes, Traynor does things, but her supposed amazingly useful abilities never seem to manifest. We are told that she is helpful but she never does helpful things. 

I know you pointed this out, but she is the reason you were able to find sanctuary or rescue Grissom Academy.

[Sajuro]

DGMockingJay wrote...

Specialist Traynor
>Says her family did not have money for college education, so she had to take scholarship
>Uses a Toothbrush worth 5000 Credits

See?? Money makes u douche....

And every shep probably has 5000 credits worth of useless **** in their cabin, toothbrush used mass effect fields

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Well, if it weren't for her, Shepard wouldn't have gotten to Sanctuary before it was too late.

[HeavenStar]

She's a lot more useful than the two soldiers guarding the door to the war room.

[The Stabilo Boss]

I think it's a lot easier for a game to showcase a pilot's flying skills than a communications specialist's analytical skills. Watching Traynor sort through data wouldn't make for a particularly interesting scene. It's also not a particularly interesting thing to talk about. She showed her intelligence a little when she destroyed Shepard at chess, I suppose.

Traynor was okay, if a little bland.

[Carlthestrange]

Wulfram wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

-Obviously fake accent

Not a fake accent.  Or at least, the actor went to an appropriately posh school for her to have acquired it honestly.

Wow, really? Jeez, she sounds even more posh than David Cameron.

Modifié par Carlthestrange, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:44 .

[DMWW]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

DMWW wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

My problem with Traynor is more the fact that she makes Liara's entire ascent to Shadow Broker and the arc that dealt with that completely useless.

Apart from Liara using her Shadow Broker info sources and Prothean-archaelogy skills to find the Crucible and so save the entire Galaxy, the arc is, indeed, fairly irrelevant.

Yup and that's it for the rest of the game. GO SHADOW BROKER.


Honestly, couldn't she have tracked down TIM's base? The female krogan? Anything else?

Saving the whole galaxy isn't enough plot significance for you? Wow, tough crowd.

[KiwiQuiche]

HeavenStar wrote...

She's a lot more useful than the two soldiers guarding the door to the war room.

What the hell was the point of those two and that stupid scanner? Most annoying thing on the Normandy (asides from the stupid barred rooms.)

[nitefyre410]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

-Obviously fake accent

Not a fake accent.  Or at least, the actor went to an appropriately posh school for her to have acquired it honestly.

Wow, really? Jeez, she sounds even more posh than David Cameron.

 

The Shower scene ... I blame Bioware... like seriously  are they so afraid of blacklash and people so replused  by  breast that people now have  to shower in the underwear.... for the love of all that is holy... really. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:48 .

[Apathy1989]

Guglio08 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

I hear what you're saying with thing about "telling now showing." Thing is, I think they"showed" enough. EDI's expository comments about Samantha's wonderfulness did feel a little forced and 4th wall-breaking, I'll grant you that.

You mentioned Cortez. His arc had its own problems. Mainly, some really cheesy writing in a couple of parts.

Overall, though, I thought Traynor and Cortez were pretty well done.

Traynor, however, does not have a story arc. She has no personal goal at all. Yet it almost feels like the writers are trying to force you to like her. Literally, the first time you meet her, EDI is like "yo, she's amazing." It's aggravating to have a character forced upon you like that. The only reason I let Diana Allers on the ship is because I almost never have to interact with her.

She could have used a stronger personal goal and story arc. Currently she is as bland as Kaiden in ME1 - she just exists.

Her backstory is good. However her current arc is "I just happened to be on board, I will try to help sir". Her development is very small, just steadily becoming more of an alliance officer rather than a tech.

Would have been nice if her parents were killed on Horizon or something, at least then it would have had some conflict.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sajuro wrote...

And every shep probably has 5000 credits worth of useless **** in their cabin, toothbrush used mass effect fields

The coolest thing about the toothbrush story is when you learn during the Citadel coup that Cerberus used them in order to smuggle in weapon parts.