188 réponses à ce sujet

[Ageless Face]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Did Traynor find that blue prints for a device that kills the Reapers? No.

Wasn't that part of Liara's archaeological job? It wasn't about intel, since Hacket assigned her to this (though I could be wrong on this, I admit).

Modifié par HagarIshay, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:31 .

[Grimwick]

I agree, OP, though I don't like cortez myself.

[Wulfram]

HagarIshay wrote...

Wasn't that part of Liara's archaeological job? It wasn't about intel, since Hacket assigned her to this (though I could be wrong on this, I admit).

She either says something along the lines of "I offered Hackett my services as an information broker", or that Hackett asked she used her Shadow Broker resources, depending on whether you did LotSB

I'd assume it used both parts of her skill - she tracked down clues using her intel skills, then analysed them using her archaeology.  Ultimately it led her to Mars, where it would have mostly been her scientist side in play.

[Grimwick]

HagarIshay wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Did Traynor find that blue prints for a device that kills the Reapers? No.

Wasn't that part of Liara's archaeological job? It wasn't about intel, since Hacket assigned her to this (though I could be wrong on this, I admit).

She says at the end of LotSB that she is researching ways to stop the reapers, using her Shadow broker intel.

[Everwarden]

 My only objection is that she shoots down manshep. Sadface.

[thisisme8]

Guglio08 wrote...

Also the chess scene infuriates me. At least with Garrus, I can choose whether or not to best him at sniping, but with Traynor, I am forced into losing at chess. Yet another way to show us how brilliant she is. I'm pretty sure a tactician like Shepard would beat her, but I guess I'm just projectin myself onto Shepard here.

Typical.  Mad that you can't win.  "I play RPG's and I want a choice!  Why can't I choose to win!?"

[tyrvas]

My FemShep found Traynor to be a very important asset.

[jules_vern18]

OP...you are aware that she tracks Kai Leng and discovers the location of Cerberus Headquarters, right?

[knightnblu]

I disagree with your assessment of Traynor. I thought that her character was well done. Hesitant, unsure of herself, but eager to please, she comes across as a person who is not quite sure where she fits in the world of a man that she clearly is awed by. I took EDI's praise as reassuring a crew member who needs to get comfortable to do her job well. Also, it was necessary to reveal Traynor's sexuality to Shepard in a subtle way.
 
Now Williams on the other hand, that is a character that has become unnecessary. She was a strong female character in ME, but transitioned to an untrusting b@#ch in ME2 and ME3 continues to highlight that role. I suspect that the "I love Ashley" crowd is a bit masochistic in their admiration of the new personality.
 
Lest anyone who liked the ME Ashley, but reviles the subsequent incarnations of the character feel alone, I also give you Jacob as the second lamest character in the ME universe. With all of the personality of a bar rag, Jacob forgets his commitment to femshep and fathers a child with another woman leaving femshep high and dry. Frankly, it would have been better if he had just died on the suicide mission leaving him what little pride that he had left. Never the less, BioWare has written Jacob as a kind of tiresome parrot spouting trite lines from pop culture while keeping him framed in mediocrity.
 
Can you feel it?

[inversevideo]

KiwiQuiche wrote...


Kelly is also a dirty little spy.

Kelly is the best yeoman ever!  

Eat your heart out James T. Kirk! 

I  bet your yeoman never fed your fish, or gave you a lapdance and snu snu!!

[inversevideo]

Traynor is shy and awkward, she is a stay behind the lines support specialist thrust into a role on an active combat mission.

If you talk to her and have patience, and are encouraging, she opens up quite a bit, and does provide some useful intel.

[BatmanPWNS]

As awkward Traynor is, she's a better information broke than that "Shadow Broker" on the ship. Also, I kinda agree, I believe she was made just for the sake of lesbian S/S.

[grey_wind]

DMWW wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

DMWW wrote...

grey_wind wrote...

My problem with Traynor is more the fact that she makes Liara's entire ascent to Shadow Broker and the arc that dealt with that completely useless.

Apart from Liara using her Shadow Broker info sources and Prothean-archaelogy skills to find the Crucible and so save the entire Galaxy, the arc is, indeed, fairly irrelevant.

Yup and that's it for the rest of the game. GO SHADOW BROKER.


Honestly, couldn't she have tracked down TIM's base? The female krogan? Anything else?

Saving the whole galaxy isn't enough plot significance for you? Wow, tough crowd.

The problem with her finding the Crucible blueprints in the Mars Archives is that it has more to do with her status as Prothean expert than Shadow Broker. Had she never become the SB, we could have still arrived at that point regardless.

It also doesn't help that the one useful thing Liara does do in all of ME3 is introduce us to the plot device that kickstarts the entire narrative's descent into a contrived mess.

[Demoiselle]

She's not exactly a main charachter - finding Grissom Academy and Horizon were fairy important things, what else do you think they should have shoehorned her charachter into being important for, for no nessecary reason?

Anyways let's put this into context - she finds out a hell of a lot more plot important things than LIARA, THE SHADOW BROKER does.

I think she does enough not to be pointless.

[Festilence]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Festilence wrote...

I'd hit it.

With a singularity.

DISLIKE!

[dublin omega 223]

Skullheart wrote...

Thanks to her you know about Grissom Academy, the Cerberus refugees and Sanctuary. She is way more useful than Liara as Shadow Broker.

I agree, it's a shame that  you don't have the option to get rid of Liara if you wanted to  in ME3 and have Traynor replace her as the Shadow Broker. She'd probably do a better job then Liara ever did.

[QuanManChu]

nhcre8tv1 wrote...

Guglio08 wrote...

nhcre8tv1 wrote...

Look at my face.
This is my disapproving face.

I see a helmet lol.

And that's not the last of it you'll see...

AWAAAAY

*sneezes really load in his general direction....* Did you just say something? Couldn't understanded it due to your helmet...take it off a sec.

[BP93]

Funny, I feel the complete opposite about Traynor/Cortez.

To each their own.

[What a Succulent Ass]

yukon fire wrote...

meh, she's just Liara from ME1 reused since Liara seems completely different every game

This, every part of it x1000.

[Dandynermite]

Guglio08 wrote...

 I'm currently on my fourth playthrough of Mass Effect 3. Even now, I'm still discovering cool little things that I missed the first time. Which is why I love ME2 and ME3. Yet every time I play this game, from my very first playthrough on midnight release to right now, I always run into this little problem.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with Specialist Traynor?

I'm an amateur writer, so I take issue with a lot of things that show up in entertainment. There's a popular phrase, "show, don't tell." It means that if you want to convey a specific quality about a character, you should integrate it into their personality and their actions. If you want a character to be reckless, you have them do reckless things, instead of someone saying "yeah, he's a reckless dude." It's a very simple and common writing technique, and in the case of Traynor, someone at BioWare forgot how to use it.

Specialist Traynor is purportedly a valuable asset on the Normandy. Yet almost immediately into her introduction, we are told that she's brilliant and really, really useful. EDI says she's been "extremely helpful." EDI will later heap praise on Traynor's abilities. Traynor has a likeable personality and is a good Alliance replacement for Kelly Chambers. But Traynor also does nothing else of consequence. Everything about her supposedly amazing abilities are completely absent until she's used to bring missions to our attention. Her two defining moments are Grissom Academy and Horizon, and she basically does nothing else.

Let's contrast this to Steve Cortez, who, in my opinion, is both written far better as a character, and is also much more integral to the story. Cortez is a remorseful character with a very positive layer underneath. He's an exemplar shuttle pilot, but we don't learn this because EDI says so. We learn this through actually seeing him in action. The way he talks about keeping Shepard safe during missions, his love for tinkering with the shuttle, and his passion for anything with an engine are clearly displayed for the player. But his talents are never exposited to us.

Traynor is just a smug, pointless character. Her character could have easily been rolled into EDI. She exists purely as a love interest for FemShep. And it's a shame.

Why did the make her purely a carpet .........., and she's British, she just needs a Miranda suit and she's perfect

[jumpingkaede]

The Stabilo Boss wrote...

I think it's a lot easier for a game to showcase a pilot's flying skills than a communications specialist's analytical skills. Watching Traynor sort through data wouldn't make for a particularly interesting scene. It's also not a particularly interesting thing to talk about. She showed her intelligence a little when she destroyed Shepard at chess, I suppose.

Traynor was okay, if a little bland.

It takes no intelligence for any reasonable chess player to defeat someone who has no idea how to play.

The real question is why Shepard challenged her to a game at all.

He clearly doesn't know the game at any level.  Based on his post-game comments, if he had played a single-game prior to that I'd be impressed.

Probably he misunderstood "playing chess" to be some sort of sexual innuendo based on how heavily every character in ME3 lays it on him.

[clennon8]

dublin omega 223 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Thanks to her you know about Grissom Academy, the Cerberus refugees and Sanctuary. She is way more useful than Liara as Shadow Broker.

I agree, it's a shame that  you don't have the option to get rid of Liara if you wanted to  in ME3 and have Traynor replace her as the Shadow Broker. She'd probably do a better job then Liara ever did.

Oh, good grief, more of this?  Look.  The writers took stuff away from Liara and gave it to Traynor to justify her existence.  And that's fine, because I really liked Traynor.  But do we have to trash Liara in the process?  I don't get the hate.  It's so damn... petty.

[Xilizhra]

If you listen to the various conversations between Liara and Glyph in her cabin, Liara's Shadow Broker activities are very active, but also having little to do with the Normandy. I'm not entirely fond of this, but it's not like she's incompetent or lazy, she's just working on keeping the galaxy as a whole stable with the network she already has in place. Samantha is the one who deals with intelligence matters affecting the Normandy directly, and it's useful to have an extra person for that, given how urgent a lot of the Normandy's matters can be.

I wish Liara could be shown more, but she's far from ineffective. Then again, I like Samantha too.

[Ryzaki]

Honestly yeah Traynor one upping Liara was a bit laughable but if it meant I don't have to hear the blueberry talk and be all supporting of my Shepard I'm happy.

I prefer Traynor's personality anyway.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Honestly yeah Traynor one upping Liara was a bit laughable but if it meant I don't have to hear the blueberry talk and be all supporting of my Shepard I'm happy.

There was no one-upping involved, they're just working in different areas.