grey_wind wrote...
I don't think Synthesis was purposefully built in by the Crucible's original creators. There's some throwaway dialogue by EDI on the Normandy about how when enough energy is released, it can do things that bend the laws that govern reality.
Which is bullsh!t justification, but I think that's what the writers were aiming for with Synthesis.
Don't know if that makes it better or worse...
RiouHotaru wrote...
You do realize you did this already in your "Refusal is the only sound option" and we (that is humes spork, myself as a few others) thrashed that fallacious argument to pieces.
Do you -really- want to start another one?
Grimwick wrote...
By the definition of the context it needs to be alive, like I said - in terms of Mass effect/synthesis'. Otherwise the word used would have been inorganic.
If 'man-made' or 'artificial' were the optimum words then it wouldn't make any sense from the start... 'Synthetic DNA' suddenly becomes 'DNA which isn't changed'.
And it's ridiculous to say you added 'synthetic atoms'. How is an atom synthetic?
Modifié par Torrible, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:55 .
Modifié par grey_wind, 05 juillet 2012 - 06:54 .
The Angry One wrote...
Optimystic_X wrote...
Synthesis is not "life UNDER the Reapers" no matter how often you parrot it that way.
Yes it is, no matter how hard you want to pretend it isn't.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
I don't see anywhere it shows synthesis brainwashing people. It makes them partly synthetic but it doesn't show evidence of brainwashing them. More hysterics from refusers
KotorEffect3 wrote...
You need to pay attention, did I say anything about lingering animosity or deny it? No I did not. All I said is that synthesis has no evidence of brainwashing. That is all I said. Also I said synthesis still has it's issues since I am a destroy guy myself. What I did say is that synthesis beats the crap out of refusal, which it does.
Grimwick wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Synthesis may have it's issues and is questionable but it does have the most interesting epilogue (acknowledging that it's epilogue is interesting doesn't mean I think it is the best choice). I am a destroy guy myself but I will say this sythesis beats the crap out of refusal. At least sythesis ends the nightmare of getting reaped.
By brainwashing people?
Personally, if you take away my free will and opinions... I'd rather be dead.
I don't see anywhere it shows synthesis brainwashing people. It makes them partly synthetic but it doesn't show evidence of brainwashing them. More hysterics from refusers
1) I don't pick refuse. Again, don't generelise people... it's hilarious to others and foolish when you get it wrong.
2) I see evidence. how about the Catakyst admitting that synthesis 'forcefully changes people's perspectives'. that's what brainwashing does too... Don't forget the reaper killing-machines suddenly becoming accepted and friendly, and everyone suddenly dropping their animosity to others. I don't see any other way in which Wreav would be pacified frankly.
3) Don't also forget the fact that it is so far the most logical machination of synthesis. All other suggestions I have seen are gibberish as to how it works.
Torrible wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
By the definition of the context it needs to be alive, like I said - in terms of Mass effect/synthesis'. Otherwise the word used would have been inorganic.
If 'man-made' or 'artificial' were the optimum words then it wouldn't make any sense from the start... 'Synthetic DNA' suddenly becomes 'DNA which isn't changed'.
And it's ridiculous to say you added 'synthetic atoms'. How is an atom synthetic?
I think you are making some kind of classfication error. For example, Shepard is partly synthetic. While his brain remains organic, none of his other synthetic parts are 'sentient' or 'alive' so to speak. There is just some kind of bio-machinary (pardon the crude term) interfacing between the synthetic parts and his central nervous system. Likewise in a synthesized human, none of the nanomachines are alive, they are just sort of controlled by the central nervous system. In a sense they are like hormones or biochemicals. Maybe some of the organs will become fully synthetic through synthesis by means of direct organic to synthetic cell conversion/cloning.
(Have never studied Biology btw, so I'm just using crude layman terms)
grey_wind wrote...
Naah, Synthesis can only ever be one thing:The Angry One wrote...
grey_wind wrote...
I don't think Synthesis was purposefully built in by the Crucible's original creators. There's some throwaway dialogue by EDI on the Normandy about how when enough energy is released, it can do things that bend the laws that govern reality.
Which is bullsh!t justification, but I think that's what the writers were aiming for with Synthesis.
Don't know if that makes it better or worse...
So what it's an infinite improbability drive now?
That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble. You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides. I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.The Angry One wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
You need to pay attention, did I say anything about lingering animosity or deny it? No I did not. All I said is that synthesis has no evidence of brainwashing. That is all I said. Also I said synthesis still has it's issues since I am a destroy guy myself. What I did say is that synthesis beats the crap out of refusal, which it does.
You need to pay attention. I said that the utter lack of animosity is evidence of brainwashing. People would not be that docile around Reapers.
You appear to think about the reject ending a lot, for repeatedly brining it up in a topic that has nothing to do with it.
Bothers you that much does it? Niggling doubt in your head telling you what you don't want to hear? Pity.
Apart from Edi decides she would be okay to co-exist with the Reapers when she told me she would never do that and would rather die, same thing with the Geth who wanted to "create their own future without reapers" but they are cooperating with the Reapers, And the fact, that everyone is okay with the change and their is no Synthetic/Organic hostility just because Shepard jumped in a beam.KotorEffect3 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
I don't see anywhere it shows synthesis brainwashing people. It makes them partly synthetic but it doesn't show evidence of brainwashing them. More hysterics from refusers
Aside from happily standing around side by side with the giant monsters who murdered their loved ones.
I mean yeah, no animosity there. For sure.
Also you think it's just refusers who see synthesis for the twisted nightmare that it is rather than anyone with common sense?
You need to pay attention, did I say anything about lingering animosity or deny it? No I did not. All I said is that synthesis has no evidence of brainwashing. That is all I said. Also I said synthesis still has it's issues since I am a destroy guy myself. What I did say is that synthesis beats the crap out of refusal, which it does.
o Ventus wrote...
Torrible wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
By the definition of the context it needs to be alive, like I said - in terms of Mass effect/synthesis'. Otherwise the word used would have been inorganic.
If 'man-made' or 'artificial' were the optimum words then it wouldn't make any sense from the start... 'Synthetic DNA' suddenly becomes 'DNA which isn't changed'.
And it's ridiculous to say you added 'synthetic atoms'. How is an atom synthetic?
I think you are making some kind of classfication error. For example, Shepard is partly synthetic. While his brain remains organic, none of his other synthetic parts are 'sentient' or 'alive' so to speak. There is just some kind of bio-machinary (pardon the crude term) interfacing between the synthetic parts and his central nervous system. Likewise in a synthesized human, none of the nanomachines are alive, they are just sort of controlled by the central nervous system. In a sense they are like hormones or biochemicals. Maybe some of the organs will become fully synthetic through synthesis by means of direct organic to synthetic cell conversion/cloning.
(Have never studied Biology btw, so I'm just using crude layman terms)
There's an inherent difference between "synthetic life" (EDI, geth, etc) and mere machines and prosthetics.
Exactly what this difference is, we're never told.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble. You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides. I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.
The Angry One wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
You need to pay attention, did I say anything about lingering animosity or deny it? No I did not. All I said is that synthesis has no evidence of brainwashing. That is all I said. Also I said synthesis still has it's issues since I am a destroy guy myself. What I did say is that synthesis beats the crap out of refusal, which it does.
You need to pay attention. I said that the utter lack of animosity is evidence of brainwashing. People would not be that docile around Reapers.
You appear to think about the reject ending a lot, for repeatedly brining it up in a topic that has nothing to do with it.
Bothers you that much does it? Niggling doubt in your head telling you what you don't want to hear? Pity.
Udalango wrote...
In the Synthesis epilogue slide EDI says something like "We will hit a way of life that I cant even begin to Imagine." REAPER REBIRTH!
wantedman dan wrote...
Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.
Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Because refusal is utterly stupid. No ifs ands or buts about it. Refusal is the dumbest choice you can make in the entire trilogy. Yet refusers are so stubborn and so convinced they are right when they couldn't be more wrong when I see a refuser bashing another ending in which Shepard was smart enough to actualy use the crucible thus ending the war, I will point out that ending is still a million times better than refusal. I am not even a synthesis guy. If a destroy guy or a control guy wants to make an argument against synthesis than they at least have something to stand on. You refusers have nothing.
Optimystic_X wrote...
Udalango wrote...
In
the Synthesis epilogue slide EDI says something like "We will hit a way
of life that I cant even begin to Imagine." REAPER REBIRTH!
Having seen Reapers multiple times and even being made from them, why wouldn't she be able to imagine them?
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wantedman dan wrote...
Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.
Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.
I love how your explanation for saying refusers are wrong is "STUBBORN", instead of providing any sort of evidence to back up you claim. I also like how you completely changed the topic of the convo.KotorEffect3 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
You need to pay attention, did I say anything about lingering animosity or deny it? No I did not. All I said is that synthesis has no evidence of brainwashing. That is all I said. Also I said synthesis still has it's issues since I am a destroy guy myself. What I did say is that synthesis beats the crap out of refusal, which it does.
You need to pay attention. I said that the utter lack of animosity is evidence of brainwashing. People would not be that docile around Reapers.
You appear to think about the reject ending a lot, for repeatedly brining it up in a topic that has nothing to do with it.
Bothers you that much does it? Niggling doubt in your head telling you what you don't want to hear? Pity.
Because refusal is utterly stupid. No ifs ands or buts about it. Refusal is the dumbest choice you can make in the entire trilogy. Yet refusers are so stubborn and so convinced they are right when they couldn't be more wrong when I see a refuser bashing another ending in which Shepard was smart enough to actualy use the crucible thus ending the war, I will point out that ending is still a million times better than refusal. I am not even a synthesis guy. If a destroy guy or a control guy wants to make an argument against synthesis than they at least have something to stand on. You refusers have nothing.
The Angry One wrote...
KotorEffect3 wrote...
That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble. You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides. I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.
Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?
In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.
Optimystic_X wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.
Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.
Refusers are truly paragons of maturity and rational discourse. :innocent:
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