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[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.

Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.

At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.

Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.

Refusers are truly paragons of maturity and rational discourse. :innocent:

Says one of two people trying to derail this topic into an anti-reject tirade.

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.

Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.

Refusers are truly paragons of maturity and rational discourse. :innocent:

Please, spare me your self-righteousness.<_<

That is funny and hypocritical coming from a refuser.  Refusers wrote the book on self-righteousness

[o Ventus]

Torrible wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

By the definition of the context it needs to be alive, like I said - in terms of Mass effect/synthesis'. Otherwise the word used would have been inorganic.

If 'man-made' or 'artificial' were the optimum words then it wouldn't make any sense from the start... 'Synthetic DNA' suddenly becomes 'DNA which isn't changed'.
And it's ridiculous to say you added 'synthetic atoms'. How is an atom synthetic?

I think you are making some kind of classfication error. For example, Shepard is partly synthetic. While his brain remains organic, none of his other synthetic parts are 'sentient' or 'alive' so to speak. There is just some kind of bio-machinary (pardon the crude term) interfacing between the synthetic parts and his central nervous system. Likewise in a synthesized human, none of the nanomachines are alive, they are just sort of controlled by the central nervous system. In a sense they are like hormones or biochemicals. Maybe some of the organs will become fully synthetic through synthesis by means of direct organic to synthetic cell conversion/cloning. 

(Have never studied Biology btw, so I'm just using crude layman terms)

There's an inherent difference between "synthetic life" (EDI, geth, etc) and mere machines and prosthetics. 

Exactly what this difference is, we're never told.

The writers didn't really make a distinction between the 2. Otherwise, Shepard would have been described as partly machine instead of partly synthetic.

If there wasn't a distinction between the two, then all technology in the entire galaxy would have been destroyed instead of just the geth and EDI. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shepard's cybernetics, the fleet's ships, the quarian's cybernetics, and omni-tools are still working.

Modifié par o Ventus, 05 juillet 2012 - 07:11 .

[o Ventus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.

Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.

Refusers are truly paragons of maturity and rational discourse. :innocent:

Please, spare me your self-righteousness.<_<

That is funny and hypocritical coming from a refuser.  Refusers wrote the book on self-righteousness

You aren't even trying at this point, are you?

[The Genophage]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.

Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.

At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.

That's what BSN has come to sadly

"I'm wrong, so let me accuse the other guy and maybe i'll look like I'm right"

[Udalango]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Udalango wrote...

In the Synthesis epilogue slide EDI says something like "We will hit a way of life that I cant even begin to Imagine." REAPER REBIRTH!

Having seen Reapers multiple times and even being made from them, why wouldn't she be able to imagine them?

Because she isnt thinking they will become Reapers so she isnt imagining it.  She told herself it wasnt an option.  She is Inceptioning her self!

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL

Edited for clarity.

Synthesis is, at its very core, inherently evil, as the rest of the endings are.

[PsyrenY]

wantedman dan wrote...
Please, spare me your self-righteousness.<_<

Why, so you won't call me buttercup too? I'm so scared.

The Angry One wrote...

She can't imagine their thoughts/existence.

Why not? Legion figured them out pretty easily.

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.

Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.

At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.

I see refusers bashing another ending.  While synthesis is not my top choice it is a still and ending that uses the crucible to end the war thus making it 100& better than refusal.

[CrutchCricket]

Alright. It's obvious "synthers", refusers and so on will always be in conflict. So we must space magic the BSN to merge them! That way they'll be no more conflict!

Bring forth the... wait what would we call them?

[wantedman dan]

o Ventus wrote...

You aren't even trying at this point, are you?

It gets much worse. Call him buttercup, as I suggested, and see what happens.

It's hilarious.

[Baronesa]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Alright. It's obvious "synthers", refusers and so on will always be in conflict. So we must space magic the BSN to merge them! That way they'll be no more conflict!

Bring forth the... wait what would we call them?

The Forumbrat!

Casper the Forumite

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL

Edited for clarity.

Synthesis is, at its very core, inherently evil, as the rest of the endings are.

ROFL the amount of denial that refusers are in is pathetic.  Ending the war is apparently evil but letting the reapers kill trillions isn't?

[wantedman dan]

Optimystic_X wrote...

I don't like the subject matter of this thread, ergo I will attempt to derail it at all costs BECAUSE MATURITY LAWL

Synthesis is what the Reapers want. I'm glad you agree.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

Says one of two people trying to derail this topic into an anti-reject tirade.

Because calling people buttercup is clearly related to the topic at hand.

Now answer my question. Why couldn't EDI understand the Reapers? I'm the one trying to RERAIL your abortion of a topic.

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...


You did no such thing. Also, I love how you left out the "unless you meta-game" part of the title to make me appear unilateral. Nice try though. You gain 0.2/10 for effort.

My apologies for leaving it out, but we DID defeat your argument.  It was made perfectly clear in that thread that Catalyst had NOTHING to gain by entertaining Shepard's presence, and that your entire argument hinged on your belief the Catalyst is maliciously manipulating Shepard, which is a belief of preference, NOT a fact.

And now you're doing it again, claiming this is 100% factual.

The Catalyst states Synthesis is the desired outcome because it's a solution that solves the problem he was created to figure out.  As for his statements that he tried before without any success?

That could mean anything.  He states that the organic had to be ready and had to be able to make the choice.  And indeed,  Shepard has the free will to MAKE THE CHOICE.  As for the whole "but it violates the free will of galaxy!", it's obvious that the galaxy doesn't hold Shepard to blame, and I've already stated that technically all the endings violate some sort of free will, INCLUDING Refuse.

It's obvious you have a personal issue with Synthesis because it's portrayed favorably, but really, going around claiming personal opinions as facts is just bad on your part.

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

DERAIL AD HOMINEM DERAIL 

This thread is about synthesis. Please stay on topic.

[KotorEffect3]

wantedman dan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

You aren't even trying at this point, are you?

It gets much worse. Call him buttercup, as I suggested, and see what happens.

It's hilarious.

Nice to see a refuser conducting themself with such "honor"

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.

Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.

At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.

I see refusers bashing another ending.  While synthesis is not my top choice it is a still and ending that uses the crucible to end the war thus making it 100& better than refusal.

So because you saw refusers bashing some other ending, it justifies it you doing it here, your just as bad. And the point being made is that you decided to bring it out of nowhere when you were completely proven wrong in an arguement, its sad, its pathetic, and your making yourself look like a complete fool.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Why not? Legion figured them out pretty easily.

Doesn't Legion say something about Sovereign being "overwhelming", or something to that effect?

[Welsh Inferno]

I see this thread has taken an interesting direction.

[KotorEffect3]

o Ventus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Bahahahaha. Don't expect him to understand, TAO. I've literally had this conversation with him time and time again.

Call him "buttercup." He really likes that.

Refusers are truly paragons of maturity and rational discourse. :innocent:

Please, spare me your self-righteousness.<_<

That is funny and hypocritical coming from a refuser.  Refusers wrote the book on self-righteousness

You aren't even trying at this point, are you?

Oh look who is whining about me again.

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Nice to see a refuser conducting themself with such "honor"

Nice to see you have the ability to stay on topic at hand, while remaining coherent. Do you believe Synthesis is what the Reapers want?

[Memnon]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Alright. It's obvious "synthers", refusers and so on will always be in conflict. So we must space magic the BSN to merge them! That way they'll be no more conflict!

Bring forth the... wait what would we call them?

It's obvious that Bioware needs to create an AI to broker peace between the various ending-factions, and then provide the AI with 30 ft armored mechs in order to enforce the peace. The AI will take 3 nanoseconds to realize peace is impossible and order the mechs to smash us all into goo ... or it could ram a control rod into our brains so we all come to realize the brilliance that is their artistic integrity and live forever in happiness, peace, and understanding ...