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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

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That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.


Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.



At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.



I see refusers bashing another ending.  While synthesis is not my top choice it is a still and ending that uses the crucible to end the war thus making it 100& better than refusal.

So because you saw refusers bashing some other ending, it justifies it you doing it here, your just as bad. And the point being made is that you decided to bring it out of nowhere when you were completely proven wrong in an arguement, its sad, its pathetic, and your making yourself look like a complete fool.


Once again it is because refusers have no leg to stand on when talking about the legitimate endings in which the crucible is actualy used.  Refusers have no moral highground on the other endings whatsoever.  None, nada, zilch

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Why not? Legion figured them out pretty easily.


Doesn't Legion say something about Sovereign being "overwhelming", or something to that effect?


Couple of quotes for you.

1) "We touched its minds. We still do not consider the Old Machines to be deities. But we can understand why others would describe them with these qualities."

Post-Collector Base in ME2:

2) Shepard: "Earlier you told me that the Reapers were more our fate than yours. Did you know about this?"
Legion: "A billion organic minds, all uploaded. 'Each a nation.' We did not 'know' - it was one hypothesis among many."

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o Ventus wrote...

Torrible wrote...

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By the definition of the context it needs to be alive, like I said - in terms of Mass effect/synthesis'. Otherwise the word used would have been inorganic.

If 'man-made' or 'artificial' were the optimum words then it wouldn't make any sense from the start... 'Synthetic DNA' suddenly becomes 'DNA which isn't changed'.
And it's ridiculous to say you added 'synthetic atoms'. How is an atom synthetic?


I think you are making some kind of classfication error. For example, Shepard is partly synthetic. While his brain remains organic, none of his other synthetic parts are 'sentient' or 'alive' so to speak. There is just some kind of bio-machinary (pardon the crude term) interfacing between the synthetic parts and his central nervous system. Likewise in a synthesized human, none of the nanomachines are alive, they are just sort of controlled by the central nervous system. In a sense they are like hormones or biochemicals. Maybe some of the organs will become fully synthetic through synthesis by means of direct organic to synthetic cell conversion/cloning. 

(Have never studied Biology btw, so I'm just using crude layman terms)


There's an inherent difference between "synthetic life" (EDI, geth, etc) and mere machines and prosthetics. 

Exactly what this difference is, we're never told.


The writers didn't really make a distinction between the 2. Otherwise, Shepard would have been described as partly machine instead of partly synthetic.


If there wasn't a distinction between the two, then all technology in the entire galaxy would have been destroyed instead of just the geth and EDI. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shepard's cybernetics, the fleet's ships, the quarian's cybernetics, and omni-tools are still working.


I mean in terms of terminology. There's a distinction between 'Reaper technology' and 'non-Reaper technology'. I don't think there's a strict definition of what Synthetic is. It can mean Geth, Reapers and EDI. it can refer to parts in someone like Shepard, Garrus or Tali. I don't really think it's pertinent to the Synthesis debate though.

Modifié par Torrible, 05 juillet 2012 - 07:20 .


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Why not? Legion figured them out pretty easily.


Doesn't Legion say something about Sovereign being "overwhelming", or something to that effect?


"A single thought was immense, overwhelming... unknowable."

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DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL DERAIL


Edited for clarity.

Synthesis is, at its very core, inherently evil, as the rest of the endings are.



ROFL the amount of denial that refusers are in is pathetic.  Ending the war is apparently evil but letting the reapers kill trillions isn't?

Why do you talk about him being a refuser, but not answer the question, grow up, and answer the damn question.

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Oh, it's you - what a surprise. I'm going to write one response in service of truth and accuracy (after which I'll go back to ignoring you/this because I can't stand your drivel). It's not what the Reapers want. The Reapers act in the service of the Catalyst, so right off the bat, your sensationalistic title is what I consider inaccurate and misleading. Then again, I don't think you've previously ever let little things like the facts get in the way of your hardline prejudices, so what else is new. How are things now that the universe isn't ending and people aren't starving to death like you said they would? It was "fact" back then according to you, right? *sarcasm*

I'll repeat what I just said to make this clear: the Catalyst directs the Reapers, the Reapers do not direct the Catalyst. They do not "want" anything. As for what the Catalyst "wants," it doesn't have desires - it has a directive and a function as it made clear during the extended conversation. It was created to serve as an intermediary between organics and synthetics, and to try to prevent what amounts to galactic chaos and destruction. Synthesis was one of the options it came up with, but like everything else the Catalyst tried, this option failed previously.

One can only guess at why it failed, but I'll go with this hypothesis: I think it's likely that in previous cycles the organic races weren't psychologically ready for making an evolutionary leap. If you look at the protheans, they were very much anti-synthetic and militant (and militaristic). Based on Javik, they seemed mentally/psychologically inflexible as a whole, given that they wiped out any species who would not submit to them...hold on, wasn't that whole submission/genocide thing your issue with the Reapers? The irony - it kills me!

But back on topic, either it's Shepard's personal wisdom/knowledge that gets shared during the merging as I've always posited OR the possibility that as a whole, galactic society in this Cycle is more accepting of body modifications and integrating technology/machinery into themselves without losing their humanity. The Catalyst flat-out says that Shepard was the first organic to make it that far, which presumably implies that - whether it's Shepard himself/herself or the actualy ability of organics and synthetics to work together (the geth and organics in a successful alliance for example) - we are ready/able to successfully make that leap. In Shepard's time, people are modifying themselves through their genetics and using implants as it is, including things like biotic implants and boneweave, etc. People clearly aren't afraid of integrating technology into themselves. Regardless of what the exact reason is, it clearly did work per the epilogue - to the benefit of all races on every world. And if you can seriously call a future where we're at peace and can pursue knowledge without fear of war bad, then go enjoy killing everyone off in Refusal and be a selfish git for the sake of your "principles" if you want.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Oh look who is whining about me again.


I asked a question. 

Since when did curiosity become akin to "whining"?

Damn, I asked another one...

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wantedman dan wrote...

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Nice to see a refuser conducting themself with such "honor"


Nice to see you have the ability to stay on topic at hand, while remaining coherent. Do you believe Synthesis is what the Reapers want?


I believe it will end the war, who cares if that is what the reapers want?  It ends the war.  It ends the harvesting.  It ends the reapers campaign of galactic genocide.  If it is an option that they agree with than fine, who cares?  It isn't like they are enslaving everybody or reaperfying them.  And most importantly it saves trillions of lives.

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wantedman dan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Why not? Legion figured them out pretty easily.


Doesn't Legion say something about Sovereign being "overwhelming", or something to that effect?


"A single thought was immense, overwhelming... unknowable."


Yeah, that.

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It *is* an immediate effect! Stop denying what's shown because it doesn't convene you.
If the truth of synthesis bothers you so much, stop supporting it.


Really? Is this what you're reduced to, TAO? "If the truth of synthesis bothers you so much, stop supporting it"?

It's quite obvious you're letting your admitted bias color the facts. What you're stating as a supposedly "factual" argument is your interpretation. Nothing, I repeat, nothing supports your argument. That aside, Bioware doesn't write that sort of ending, so even if you had any ground to stand on about this debate, the fact of the matter is the canon material says "No, that's not the case."

We get it. You don't like Synthesis, and you're a staunch Refuse advocate. Do you need to go out of your way to attack their supporters? Or is the idea that anyone on the forum likes Synthesis so repugnant to you or something?

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You did no such thing. Also, I love how you left out the "unless you meta-game" part of the title to make me appear unilateral. Nice try though. You gain 0.2/10 for effort.


My apologies for leaving it out, but we DID defeat your argument.  It was made perfectly clear in that thread that Catalyst had NOTHING to gain by entertaining Shepard's presence, and that your entire argument hinged on your belief the Catalyst is maliciously manipulating Shepard, which is a belief of preference, NOT a fact.

And now you're doing it again, claiming this is 100% factual.

The Catalyst states Synthesis is the desired outcome because it's a solution that solves the problem he was created to figure out.  As for his statements that he tried before without any success?

That could mean anything.  He states that the organic had to be ready and had to be able to make the choice.  And indeed,  Shepard has the free will to MAKE THE CHOICE.  As for the whole "but it violates the free will of galaxy!", it's obvious that the galaxy doesn't hold Shepard to blame, and I've already stated that technically all the endings violate some sort of free will, INCLUDING Refuse.

It's obvious you have a personal issue with Synthesis because it's portrayed favorably, but really, going around claiming personal opinions as facts is just bad on your part.


It has been stated again and again in this thread (and others) that it's silly to argue headcannons and opinions, in different wording. Sometimes you think to yourself, well maybe we need to try a diferent tactic, maybe somebody else should say it. Or maybe they just don't care. They're like wheres the fun if we can't smack each other around. So they just skip right passed all that logic pointing them away from conflict and continue smacking each other with fish. The only way they will listen is if you say their argument is perfectly valid or if you tell them why they're wrong so that they can fight with you. Because getting all worked up and trying to prove each other wrong is the only way you'll be heard here.

I say might as well join Welsh and have some popcorn.

Welsh Inferno wrote...

I see this thread has taken an interesting direction.

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Because this discussion just like the 9 million other 200+ page discussions aren't going to go anywhere. You can try and rationalize, and reason--and even try to stoop to their level, but at the end of the day they're having fun fighting with their swords and fishes :).

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

I see this thread has taken an interesting direction.

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Don't they always?

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Saren tried synthesis with Sovereign's help, remember how well that ended?

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.


Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.



At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.



I see refusers bashing another ending.  While synthesis is not my top choice it is a still and ending that uses the crucible to end the war thus making it 100& better than refusal.

So because you saw refusers bashing some other ending, it justifies it you doing it here, your just as bad. And the point being made is that you decided to bring it out of nowhere when you were completely proven wrong in an arguement, its sad, its pathetic, and your making yourself look like a complete fool.


Once again it is because refusers have no leg to stand on when talking about the legitimate endings in which the crucible is actualy used.  Refusers have no moral highground on the other endings whatsoever.  None, nada, zilch

I honestly hate ignorant people, and your acting ignorant. Whatever you want to say about refusers say it in a refusal thread, this is a synthesis thread, your a complete idiot who keeps ignoring the question because your wrong. Now talk about synthesis or leave before you embarass yourself even more, you already look like a complete idiot, whether is by destroyers, controllers, synthesis people, or refusers, either talk about synthesis, or leave knowing your an incompetent moron. 

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

I believe it will end the war, who cares if that is what the reapers want?  It ends the war.  It ends the harvesting.  It ends the reapers campaign of galactic genocide.  If it is an option that they agree with than fine, who cares?  It isn't like they are enslaving everybody or reaperfying them.  And most importantly it saves trillions of lives.


Because that's what we've been fighting against since ME1? 

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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.


Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.



At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.



I see refusers bashing another ending.  While synthesis is not my top choice it is a still and ending that uses the crucible to end the war thus making it 100& better than refusal.

So because you saw refusers bashing some other ending, it justifies it you doing it here, your just as bad. And the point being made is that you decided to bring it out of nowhere when you were completely proven wrong in an arguement, its sad, its pathetic, and your making yourself look like a complete fool.


Once again it is because refusers have no leg to stand on when talking about the legitimate endings in which the crucible is actualy used.  Refusers have no moral highground on the other endings whatsoever.  None, nada, zilch

I honestly hate ignorant people, and your acting ignorant. Whatever you want to say about refusers say it in a refusal thread, this is a synthesis thread, your a complete idiot who keeps ignoring the question because your wrong. Now talk about synthesis or leave before you embarass yourself even more, you already look like a complete idiot, whether is by destroyers, controllers, synthesis people, or refusers, either talk about synthesis, or leave knowing your an incompetent moron. 



Such honor and morality you conduct yourself with.

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wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I believe it will end the war, who cares if that is what the reapers want?  It ends the war.  It ends the harvesting.  It ends the reapers campaign of galactic genocide.  If it is an option that they agree with than fine, who cares?  It isn't like they are enslaving everybody or reaperfying them.  And most importantly it saves trillions of lives.


Because that's what we've been fighting against since ME1? 


We've been fighting to save the galaxy and end the cycle since ME 1.

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We've been fighting to save the galaxy and end the cycle since ME 1.


No, we've been fighting submitting to the Reapers since ME1.

Otherwise, if we wanted the easy solution, we would have agreed, held hands with huskified-Saren, and walked towards the synthesis beam together.

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My only true complaint about the synthesis ending is it makes everyone green. Why can't we have red glowing people too, purple, or etc.

I don't think it's what the reapers want, because there's a huge difference between harvesting people and making them mindless drones, and forcing evolution. If that's what the reapers really wanted they would have ended the cycle themselves and provided true freedom among themselves instead of just being drones bent to the will of the catalyst's warped goals.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

That is like saying that the Krogan all of a sudden become peaceful pacifists because the epilogue slides with the wrex in charge and genophage cured shows them peacefully rebuilding Tuchanka even though it would be reasonable to guess that a few warlords will cause trouble.  You are once again making wild assumptions based on a few epilogue slides.  I am sure there are a few crazies still going after the reapers but most of the rest of the galaxy is just content with the war being over.


Wrex and Eve already established that with the right leadership, the Krogan have potential to become something better than they are. The slides focus on the rebuilding. There may be warlords out there, but they're not going to be part of the rebuilding are they?

In synthesis on the other hand, it shows regular people standing around happily next to Reapers. This would never happen. Not in that time frame. Wounds take time to heal, and wounds from giant machines that butcher loved ones, force you into death camps and literally broadcast crazy rays would take FOREVER, for EVERYONE.



At least the death and destruction end in synthesis.  Too bad it can't be said in another certain ending.

Lmao, what part of this is a synthesis discussion, not refusal discussion can't you understand, you have not leg to stand on, so your trying to bash refusers to crawl your way out, its pathetic really.



I see refusers bashing another ending.  While synthesis is not my top choice it is a still and ending that uses the crucible to end the war thus making it 100& better than refusal.

So because you saw refusers bashing some other ending, it justifies it you doing it here, your just as bad. And the point being made is that you decided to bring it out of nowhere when you were completely proven wrong in an arguement, its sad, its pathetic, and your making yourself look like a complete fool.


Once again it is because refusers have no leg to stand on when talking about the legitimate endings in which the crucible is actualy used.  Refusers have no moral highground on the other endings whatsoever.  None, nada, zilch

I honestly hate ignorant people, and your acting ignorant. Whatever you want to say about refusers say it in a refusal thread, this is a synthesis thread, your a complete idiot who keeps ignoring the question because your wrong. Now talk about synthesis or leave before you embarass yourself even more, you already look like a complete idiot, whether is by destroyers, controllers, synthesis people, or refusers, either talk about synthesis, or leave knowing your an incompetent moron. 



Such honor and morality you conduct yourself with.


Hypocritical much...

And the truly hilarious thing is that you are being hypocrtitical about being hypocritical.

There's no arguing with trolls who deliberately try to derail the thread...

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Oh, it's you - what a surprise. I'm going to write one response in service of truth and accuracy (after which I'll go back to ignoring you/this because I can't stand your drivel).


Ah yes, another insult from another synthesis supporter.
I'm often in awe of how you can get away with breaking the forum rules over and over and not even getting a warning for your efforts.

It's not what the Reapers want. The Reapers act in the service of the Catalyst, so right off the bat, your sensationalistic title is what I consider inaccurate and misleading.


The Catalyst embodies the intelligence of the Reapers. It is the Reapers, the Reapers are it. Do try to follow.

Then again, I don't think you've previously ever let little things like the facts get in the way of your hardline prejudices, so what else is new. How are things now that the universe isn't ending and people aren't starving to death like you said they would? It was "fact" back then according to you, right? *sarcasm*


Oh, you mean after they retconned the relays into not exploding, thus averting that scenario, thus proving me right?

I'll repeat what I just said to make this clear: the Catalyst directs the Reapers, the Reapers do not direct the Catalyst. They do not "want" anything. As for what the Catalyst "wants," it doesn't have desires - it has a directive and a function as it made clear during the extended conversation. It was created to serve as an intermediary between organics and synthetics, and to try to prevent what amounts to galactic chaos and destruction. Synthesis was one of the options it came up with, but like everything else the Catalyst tried, this option failed previously.


The Catalyst = the Reapers. It appears you cannot grasp this.

One can only guess at why it failed, but I'll go with this hypothesis: I think it's likely that in previous cycles the organic races weren't psychologically ready for making an evolutionary leap. If you look at the protheans, they were very much anti-synthetic and militant (and militaristic). Based on Javik, they seemed mentally/psychologically inflexible as a whole, given that they wiped out any species who would not submit to them...hold on, wasn't that whole submission/genocide thing your issue with the Reapers? The irony - it kills me!


The Protheans did not wipe out anyone who did not submit, they forced everyone to submit.
Ah yes Atreiya, master of the headcanon. Doing it once again.

Psychologically ready? How is one psychologically ready for something that is forced upon them?

But back on topic, either it's Shepard's personal wisdom/knowledge that gets shared during the merging as I've always posited OR the possibility that as a whole, galactic society in this Cycle is more accepting of body modifications and integrating technology/machinery into themselves without losing their humanity.


Nobody was more accepting of body modifications than the Zha'til. Look what the Reapers did to them.
Again, more assumptions. Even if one is accepting of that on an individual basis, to force it on everybody? Ha.

The Catalyst flat-out says that Shepard was the first organic to make it that far, which presumably implies that - whether it's Shepard himself/herself or the actualy ability of organics and synthetics to work together (the geth and organics in a successful alliance for example) - we are ready/able to successfully make that leap. In Shepard's time, people are modifying themselves through their genetics and using implants as it is, including things like biotic implants and boneweave, etc. People clearly aren't afraid of integrating technology into themselves. Regardless of what the exact reason is, it clearly did work per the epilogue - to the benefit of all races on every world. And if you can seriously call a future where we're at peace and can pursue knowledge without fear of war bad, then go enjoy killing everyone off in Refusal and be a selfish git for the sake of your "principles" if you want.


Peace through an act of physical and mental violation is no such thing, don't even pretend that it is. You constantly sugar coat the crimes of synthesis to prop up your baseless headcanon, and it's incredibly tiresome.
Now you claim that because some people are accepting of body modifications, their whole societies are? Are you serious? And that this is the first cycle in billion years that's like this? Even though we have the Zha'til in just the last cycle? Yeah, right. Sure.

By all means continue to "ignore" arguments you can't counter. It's the reason you blocked me out of your blog, it's the only way you could stop me raining on your happy little pro-synthesis parade with actual logic.
I pity you.

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Why is that change??

They accomplished their goal and changed EVERYONE... so tehre is no more reason to kill us... that is not changing! that is resting after accomplishing their goal!


The Reaper's goals were the Harvest, the change makes the Harvest no longer necessary so they change their goals. Note all the killing everybody that isn't happening? That is a change for the Reapers.


The harvesting was a means to an end. That was not their goal. Their goal was synthesis. Listen to the Catalyst.

Again you repeat that they're not killing everybody.
I'm sorry everyone, I must Godwin the thread because this person refuses to get it.

If Hitler made a magic machine that turned every human into his Aryan ideal, he would stop killing everyone.
Would this be because he came to an understanding? No! It's because he turned everyone into an Aryan! 


The goal was preventing organics and synthetics from wiping each other out of existence. The harvesting, turning all beings into goo and uploading them into a Reaper shell, was the tool, not the endgame.

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We've been fighting to save the galaxy and end the cycle since ME 1.


No, we've been fighting submitting to the Reapers since ME1.

Otherwise, if we wanted the easy solution, we would have agreed, held hands with huskified-Saren, and walked towards the synthesis beam together.


There was no synthesis beam in ME 1 because there was no crucible.  Try to keep up.  The crucible changed the game.   Saren was just desparately grasping at straws to justify himself.  Synthesis was not even an option until the crucible was deployed.

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o Ventus wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

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Why not? Legion figured them out pretty easily.


Doesn't Legion say something about Sovereign being "overwhelming", or something to that effect?


"A single thought was immense, overwhelming... unknowable."


Yeah, that.


So you're going to ignore both of my quotes? Why do I even try debating with you people?