RiouHotaru wrote...
Really? I don't remotely see the similiarites between a man who was clinically insane with an outrageous racial hatred who abused political systems and the biases of a nation to spark a World War and a misguided AI created to solve a problem and found a solution, even it wasn't one pleasing to organic sensibilities.
RiouHotaru wrote...
But they aren't made the same. The organic-hybrids are not the same as the synthetic hybrids. They're still two different people, they're just connected and have (according to the game's explanation) reached an understanding of each other. Why you believe this has sinister implications is beyond me.
...Did you miss the Catalyst's entire dialog? I'll quote it:
"My creators gave them form, I give them function, they give me purpose."
He is not the creator of the Reapers, passively their controller (it's quite obvious he can't just shut them off), and "embodiment"? No. He was created before the Reapers, he can't be the embodiment of something before it existed. And the Reapers themselves don't HAVE a directive individually, or a will. They can communicate, yes, but they cannot act on their own accord (Well, possibly Leviathan, but that's speculation until any actual DLC hits the market).
The themes of Mass Effect and the events ofthe game, ironically, support that Synthesis IS a positive and beneficial outcome. So yeah, those do speak for themselves.
O RLY?KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Funny, Like I said before, you just complete to ignore what is written and keep insulting me, and I'm the one with no moral ground..Ha! I actually laughed.KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@KotorEffect3
Congratulation, you got what you wanted, you got me mad and it showed in my writing, now your going to completely ignore what i wrote and act obtuse, I'm done with you.
You mean you lost your moral high ground you never had in the first place? You mean I revealed the real you? When the chips are down "civilized" people will tear each other apart.
I am not the one that has been throwing around insults in this thread. Go back and read your little hissy fit.
RiouHotaru wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
The fail is strong in this one.
Really? I don't remotely see the similiarites between a man who was clinically insane with an outrageous racial hatred who abused political systems and the biases of a nation to spark a World War and a misguided AI created to solve a problem and found a solution, even it wasn't one pleasing to organic sensibilities.
Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Why don't people believe the epilogue? Your grasping at straws. Although synthesis may be a morally repugnant thing to do in real life, in mass effect everything comes out puppies and roses and synthesis ends up the "Disney ending". The writers did not write any implied downsides to synthesis, other than the reapers still existing.
Optimystic_X wrote...
o Ventus wrote...
I asked if Legion said a specific thing. You did not provide it.
Of course I did. The Geth understood what Reapers were. They had several theories and the trip to the Collector Base allowed them to decide on which one was right (i.e. "billions of organic minds.")
Did you even play ME2? You must have, going by your avatar, but I'm honestly not sure.
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Grimwick wrote...
RiouHotaru wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
The fail is strong in this one.
Really? I don't remotely see the similiarites between a man who was clinically insane with an outrageous racial hatred who abused political systems and the biases of a nation to spark a World War and a misguided AI created to solve a problem and found a solution, even it wasn't one pleasing to organic sensibilities.
Umm... do you know why Hitler did what he did?
He had problems: they were called the Jewish people and the supposed oppression of Aryans.
That 'misguided AI' you are talking about presented a genocidal solution... and now presents a 'final solution' all in the name of what he thinks is 'good'. I wonder where we have heard that before... oh wait, that's right. Hitler.
Grimwick wrote...
Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Why don't people believe the epilogue? Your grasping at straws. Although synthesis may be a morally repugnant thing to do in real life, in mass effect everything comes out puppies and roses and synthesis ends up the "Disney ending". The writers did not write any implied downsides to synthesis, other than the reapers still existing.
Brainwashing.
mcz2345 wrote...
That is the reason why I picked it
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
O RLY?KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Funny, Like I said before, you just complete to ignore what is written and keep insulting me, and I'm the one with no moral ground..Ha! I actually laughed.KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@KotorEffect3
Congratulation, you got what you wanted, you got me mad and it showed in my writing, now your going to completely ignore what i wrote and act obtuse, I'm done with you.
You mean you lost your moral high ground you never had in the first place? You mean I revealed the real you? When the chips are down "civilized" people will tear each other apart.
I am not the one that has been throwing around insults in this thread. Go back and read your little hissy fit.
"refusal is utterly stupid"
"Refusers are so stubborn"
"funny and hypocritical coming from a refuser"
"the amount of denial that refusers are in is pathetic"
Sure, no insults from you.
mcz2345 wrote...
That is the reason why I picked it
I disagree. Not only is synthesis "ideal", it is also "inevitable"!The Angry One wrote...
Cutlass Jack wrote...
The only 100% fact is that the Catalyst didn't just keep that platform moving after lifting you and just toss your body into the Synthesis option.The Angry One wrote...
This is 100% fact, shown within the game when the head Reaper itself not only promotes synthesis as the best thing ever, but admits that it tried it before.
I mean if the Reapers really wanted that, and its really a form of 'mind control' like people say, then your willing participation in the process is not necessary. And it wasn't like there weren't other bodies it could have used. Like TIM who clearly got there ahead of you.
And the most important point is it left the other two buttons turned on. That doesnt say 100% to me.
Just because someone tried something once, it doesn't mean they want it. Like my mom made me taste her meatloaf once, which I hated. But many years later I tried someone else's meatloaf and it wasn't so bad. That doesnt mean I had a secret Meatloaf agenda.
...or does it?
Contrived as the reasons for spacebaby presenting the 3 options may be, whether it be because it's shackled (year right) or the Crucible is forcing it or whatever, they're there all the same.
This doesn't change the fact that synthesis is what it wants. It's not like it can physically shove you into the beam anyway.
RiouHotaru wrote...
...Did you miss the Catalyst's entire dialog? I'll quote it:
"My creators gave them form, I give them function, they give me purpose."
He is not the creator of the Reapers, passively their controller (it's quite obvious he can't just shut them off), and "embodiment"? No. He was created before the Reapers, he can't be the embodiment of something before it existed. And the Reapers themselves don't HAVE a directive individually, or a will. They can communicate, yes, but they cannot act on their own accord (Well, possibly Leviathan, but that's speculation until any actual DLC hits the market).
The themes of Mass Effect and the events ofthe game, ironically, support that Synthesis IS a positive and beneficial outcome. So yeah, those do speak for themselves.
Grimwick wrote...
mcz2345 wrote...
That is the reason why I picked it
????????????????
'Oh sure, Harbinger. I'll just walk right into that beam of energy of yours, that's what you want, right?'
Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
RiouHotaru wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
The fail is strong in this one.
Really? I don't remotely see the similiarites between a man who was clinically insane with an outrageous racial hatred who abused political systems and the biases of a nation to spark a World War and a misguided AI created to solve a problem and found a solution, even it wasn't one pleasing to organic sensibilities.
Umm... do you know why Hitler did what he did?
He had problems: they were called the Jewish people and the supposed oppression of Aryans.
That 'misguided AI' you are talking about presented a genocidal solution... and now presents a 'final solution' all in the name of what he thinks is 'good'. I wonder where we have heard that before... oh wait, that's right. Hitler.
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Godwin's_law
Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...
Why don't people believe the epilogue? Your grasping at straws. Although synthesis may be a morally repugnant thing to do in real life, in mass effect everything comes out puppies and roses and synthesis ends up the "Disney ending". The writers did not write any implied downsides to synthesis, other than the reapers still existing.
Brainwashing.
There is 0 evidence of that?
The Angry One wrote...
Cutlass Jack wrote...
You mean like it physically lifted you up into the room with him to have that conversation? Like he couldn't ask the keeper down the hall to drag your sorry butt into the beam?
After which Shepard wakes up (and is already awake by the time the Catalyst approaches).Your facts need some work.
Amount of Keepers on the bottom of the Citadel = 0. Again, this isn't the issue anyway.
Accusing a group in total rather than a single individual actually makes things worse, it shows that you judge a whole group without even hearing what they have to say, which just continue to prove how ignorant you are.KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
O RLY?KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Funny, Like I said before, you just complete to ignore what is written and keep insulting me, and I'm the one with no moral ground..Ha! I actually laughed.KotorEffect3 wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
@KotorEffect3
Congratulation, you got what you wanted, you got me mad and it showed in my writing, now your going to completely ignore what i wrote and act obtuse, I'm done with you.
You mean you lost your moral high ground you never had in the first place? You mean I revealed the real you? When the chips are down "civilized" people will tear each other apart.
I am not the one that has been throwing around insults in this thread. Go back and read your little hissy fit.
"refusal is utterly stupid"
"Refusers are so stubborn"
"funny and hypocritical coming from a refuser"
"the amount of denial that refusers are in is pathetic"
Sure, no insults from you.
Is there any specific individual I am talking about? No. I am talking about a stance. Refusal is a stance not an individual. Not my fault you took it personaly
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
mcz2345 wrote...
That is the reason why I picked it
????????????????
'Oh sure, Harbinger. I'll just walk right into that beam of energy of yours, that's what you want, right?'
Nobody if forcing you into the beam.
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Is there any specific individual I am talking about? No. I am talking about a stance. Refusal is a stance not an individual. Not my fault you took it personaly
The Angry One wrote...
They understand what the Reapers are.
They don't understand how the Reapers think.
Optimystic_X wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
They understand what the Reapers are.
They don't understand how the Reapers think.
Do you have to understand fire to know that when it burns, it's only doing what it was created to do?
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