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[Khajiit Jzargo]

o Ventus wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

If Synthesis was what the Reapers wanted, why don't they just do it?

OOPS LOGIC

Did you miss the part where the Catalyst tells you that it tried?

Like, tried a lot of times?

OOPS LOGIC.

[Lord Goose]

I am thinking leviathan might have a had (or tenticle in his
case) in creating the crucible concept.

I'm thinking Leviathan is first Reaper, who awakened (as others did in Synthesis) and flew away.

[zambot]

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

That question makes no sense.  It is like asking to opt out of knowing something after you already have learned it.   No one forced anyone to make peace with the reapers.  It was the inevitable result of gaining knowledge.

Of being forced into the knowledge in the first place.

You were claiming people were brainwahsed.  Now you are claiming they are not brainwashed, but instead were enlightened, but that the enlightment was forced upon them so that is somehow morally wrong?  I think there are plenty of people that would disagree that giving someone knowledge or enlightenment is ever morally wrong.

I've been using your argument against you for the past two or three go arounds now.

Which you have shown no intention of responding to, apparently.

not sure if serious or just trolling.

[wantedman dan]

zambot wrote...

not sure if serious or just trolling.

Naturally.

Moving on.

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You physically changed people without their consent but you didn't brainwash them.  You changed them physically that is all,  you didn't change who they are,  you didn't take away their free will or their memories.  You changed their dna.  It really isn't much different than what the lazarus project did to shepard.

That's why everyone is so tickled to death to accept the Reapers, despite the atrocities they committed only moments before, right?

Once again you are basing that off of one epilogue slide.  It isn't about whether or not people are happy to have the reapers around.  It is irrelevant.  Just because the epilogue doesn't show some crazy person doing a suicide run on a destroyer doesn't mean it may not happen.  The only function of that particular epilogue slide was to show how the reapers themselves have a different role than they had before.

Then explain to me why EDI is so happy to work with the Reapers when she told me a few hours earlier she would rather die, than to co-exist with them. Also, the Geth, Like Legion who specifically hated the Reapers because they wanted to create their own future instead of one that would deal to co-exist the reapers. And no, it's not one slide, its various cutscenes/slides to show how organics/synthetics are co-existing with the Reapers, it was purposely put into the game to send that message, if Bioware intended to put another message, they wouldn't have put all those scenes.

Perspectives change, nobody knew what the reapers true function was until Shepard met up with the catalyst and when the synthesis energy blast hit everybody they probably gained an understanding of what the reapers function was thus making the reapers function as reapers obsolete.  Remember reapers is just a nickname that organics gave them not necessarily what the reapers themselves think of themselves as.

The geth had came in contact and under the control of the Reapers before and they disagreed with it, why would they agree now? And I don't understand what your trying to say, your logic is almost as bad as the Catalyst.

I am saying since everyone is partly synthetic there is no reason for them to war synthetics as synthetic are now partly organic.  At least that is how the reapers see it.  I am explaining their perspective,  I never said I agree with it all I am saying is why synthesis results in peace (for the time being).

So you admit the Catalyst logic is flawed and you don't agree with it.

I'm done.

I never said I agreed with the catalyst, I said synthesis is a viable option (but not the best) for ending the war.  Try to keep up.  But yeah were done now.

[ghost9191]

Hackulator wrote...

If Synthesis was what the Reapers wanted, why don't they just do it?

OOPS LOGIC

sarcasm?

if not pay more attention, they have tried to do it before, multiple time. but it is somehting that cannot be forced, even though it is forced ironic i know:blush:

[Torrible]

zambot wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

That question makes no sense.  It is like asking to opt out of knowing something after you already have learned it.   No one forced anyone to make peace with the reapers.  It was the inevitable result of gaining knowledge.

Of being forced into the knowledge in the first place.

You were claiming people were brainwahsed.  Now you are claiming they are not brainwashed, but instead were enlightened, but that the enlightment was forced upon them so that is somehow morally wrong?  I think there are plenty of people that would disagree that giving someone knowledge or enlightenment is ever morally wrong.

And remember education is forced upon children in most 1st world countries. 

[o Ventus]

Lord Goose wrote...

I am thinking leviathan might have a had (or tenticle in his
case) in creating the crucible concept.

I'm thinking Leviathan is first Reaper, who awakened (as others did in Synthesis) and flew away.

Harbinger is the first Reaper. Dialogue in the EC files confirms this.

[zambot]

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

not sure if serious or just trolling.

Naturally.

Moving on.

At least you had the decency to tell me you were just trolling.  I appreciate it.

[Ticonderoga117]

zambot wrote...
An interpretation.

Oh. Ok. So you find out that everyone who died, everyone who got turned to goo and made into a Reaper (itself a very horrible proposition), was all just because some AI thought that was the best way to keep the peace in a hypothetical conflict that will, at some point, maybe, happen?

Pfft, please.

[Hackulator]

Actually, he said they tried a "similar" solution, and he included a dramatic pause which suggests that "similar" may have been an overstatement.

Regardless, are you telling me that the Catalyst couldn't build the Crucible itself and activate it? Or that it couldn't just throw someone into it instead of, you know, ACTIVATING THE ELEVATOR TO BRING SHEPARD UP THERE SO HE COULD DESTROY IT.

[o Ventus]

zambot wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

That question makes no sense.  It is like asking to opt out of knowing something after you already have learned it.   No one forced anyone to make peace with the reapers.  It was the inevitable result of gaining knowledge.

Of being forced into the knowledge in the first place.

More like a better understanding at what the Reapers have done, and for what reason. Knowing that, the fact that the Reapers are still around is insulting.

An interpretation.

No, the Reapers are around. That isn't an interpretation, it's pretty concrete.

[KotorEffect3]

zambot wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

That question makes no sense.  It is like asking to opt out of knowing something after you already have learned it.   No one forced anyone to make peace with the reapers.  It was the inevitable result of gaining knowledge.

Of being forced into the knowledge in the first place.

You were claiming people were brainwahsed.  Now you are claiming they are not brainwashed, but instead were enlightened, but that the enlightment was forced upon them so that is somehow morally wrong?  I think there are plenty of people that would disagree that giving someone knowledge or enlightenment is ever morally wrong.

I've been using your argument against you for the past two or three go arounds now.

Which you have shown no intention of responding to, apparently.

not sure if serious or just trolling.

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

[Memnon]

RiouHotaru wrote...

It makes no sense that in every single cycle the Reapers come out all guns blazing, especially if we're talking about the first 2 or 3 cycles.  However, given the aversion to the idea of what the Reapers do, the obvious organic reaction is to fight back and resist.  Therefore, at some point, the Catalyst determined the Reapers had to start firing first.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here - that the Reapers tried to peacefully turn spacefaring organics into Reapers the first time, and when they started fighting for their lives only then the Reapers resorted to violence?

[wantedman dan]

zambot wrote...

At least you had the decency to tell me you were just trolling.  I appreciate it.

You have an impressive ability to interject your own meaning into what is being said.

If you care to actually respond to the question, I'd be happy to continue. Until then...

[The Angry One]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

*KABOOM*

My irony meter just exploded.

[zambot]

Torrible wrote...

zambot wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

That question makes no sense.  It is like asking to opt out of knowing something after you already have learned it.   No one forced anyone to make peace with the reapers.  It was the inevitable result of gaining knowledge.

Of being forced into the knowledge in the first place.

You were claiming people were brainwahsed.  Now you are claiming they are not brainwashed, but instead were enlightened, but that the enlightment was forced upon them so that is somehow morally wrong?  I think there are plenty of people that would disagree that giving someone knowledge or enlightenment is ever morally wrong.

And remember education is forced upon children in most 1st world countries. 

Not providing people access to knowledge is considered morally reprehinsible by most societies.

[ghost9191]

Hackulator wrote...

Actually, he said they tried a "similar" solution, and he included a dramatic pause which suggests that "similar" may have been an overstatement.

Regardless, are you telling me that the Catalyst couldn't build the Crucible itself and activate it? Or that it couldn't just throw someone into it instead of, you know, ACTIVATING THE ELEVATOR TO BRING SHEPARD UP THERE SO HE COULD DESTROY IT.

the catalyst didn't activate the elevator:)

[o Ventus]

Hackulator wrote...

Actually, he said they tried a "similar" solution, and he included a dramatic pause which suggests that "similar" may have been an overstatement.

Regardless, are you telling me that the Catalyst couldn't build the Crucible itself and activate it? Or that it couldn't just throw someone into it instead of, you know, ACTIVATING THE ELEVATOR TO BRING SHEPARD UP THERE SO HE COULD DESTROY IT.

So they tried Synthesis, but not really?

[wantedman dan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

The irony in this post is truly astounding.

[Ticonderoga117]

Hackulator wrote...

Actually, he said they tried a "similar" solution, and he included a dramatic pause which suggests that "similar" may have been an overstatement.

Regardless, are you telling me that the Catalyst couldn't build the Crucible itself and activate it? Or that it couldn't just throw someone into it instead of, you know, ACTIVATING THE ELEVATOR TO BRING SHEPARD UP THERE SO HE COULD DESTROY IT.

Apparently, becuase he is stupid even though he CONTROLS THE REAPERS.

Yeah, figure that one out.

[mauro2222]

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

And what we have here? Did KotorEffect just said that?

Modifié par mauro2222, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

*KABOOM*

My irony meter just exploded.

This hurts you

[zambot]

o Ventus wrote...

zambot wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

That question makes no sense.  It is like asking to opt out of knowing something after you already have learned it.   No one forced anyone to make peace with the reapers.  It was the inevitable result of gaining knowledge.

Of being forced into the knowledge in the first place.

More like a better understanding at what the Reapers have done, and for what reason. Knowing that, the fact that the Reapers are still around is insulting.

An interpretation.

No, the Reapers are around. That isn't an interpretation, it's pretty concrete.

They are around.  Fact.  It is insulting.  Your interpretation.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

*KABOOM*

My irony meter just exploded.

Same.