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[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

Like I'd expect anything different from you Mauro.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I don't care what they want.

[RiouHotaru]

And once again, we've reached an impasse:

TAO's argument once again revolves around the idea that the Catalyst's intent is solely malicious, and that anything he comes up with is inherently a bad solution and therefore must be rejected solely on that premise.

She claims that Synthesis is the exact same thing as being stuffed into a Reaper despite the game canon itself disagreeing with her.

She also claims the Synthesis ending is nothing like what's stated and argues her headcanon of it being some sinister form of indoctrination by claiming the game supports her argument as fact. (It doesn't).

We get it, TAO:

1) You hate the Catalyst and anything to do with it.
2) You dislike the fact Refusal doesn't do what you want
3) You dislike that Synthesis is treated as a viable and beneficial outcome

Next time you want to make a thread on a topic, don't start by stating "100% fact" though. Or using Godwin's Law. Just disclaimer that you're offering your opinion/interpretation, and you won't have a problem.

[mauro2222]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

Like I'd expect anything different from you Mauro.

Can say the same

[zambot]

mauro2222 wrote...

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

What is his point?  He is trying to claim that synthsis must mean people are brainwashed because the new opinions of people (working with reapers) is forced.  I provided an argument why the opinion is not necessarily forced.  He has yet to deal with that.  He's trying to lay a trap by presuming that forced "knowledge" equats to forced "opinions".  It does not.  It's fallacy.

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

*KABOOM*

My irony meter just exploded.

Same.

Well what a suprise your all agreeing with each other

[RiouHotaru]

Stornskar wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It makes no sense that in every single cycle the Reapers come out all guns blazing, especially if we're talking about the first 2 or 3 cycles.  However, given the aversion to the idea of what the Reapers do, the obvious organic reaction is to fight back and resist.  Therefore, at some point, the Catalyst determined the Reapers had to start firing first.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here - that the Reapers tried to peacefully turn spacefaring organics into Reapers the first time, and when they started fighting for their lives only then the Reapers resorted to violence?

Yes.  It makes no sense for the original Reaper design to include an indoctrination effect because synthetics are immune.  The weapons make sense because the First Reaper would have to defend itself from synthetics.

[Memnon]

o Ventus wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

Actually, he said they tried a "similar" solution, and he included a dramatic pause which suggests that "similar" may have been an overstatement.

Regardless, are you telling me that the Catalyst couldn't build the Crucible itself and activate it? Or that it couldn't just throw someone into it instead of, you know, ACTIVATING THE ELEVATOR TO BRING SHEPARD UP THERE SO HE COULD DESTROY IT.

So they tried Synthesis, but not really?

The starbrat said he tried a similar solution, but that they "weren't ready" but that we are ready now. No mention of what the threshold for "ready" is, nor a mention of what happened when they tried Synthesis before. Did they all instantly die? Did it seem to work at first, and then they all died? Oops, my bad sorry I killed the entire galaxy again - it will work this time, trust me

[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

Like I'd expect anything different from you Mauro.

Can say the same

You may have changed your avatar but I can see you coming from a mile away

[Khajiit Jzargo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

And once again, we've reached an impasse:

TAO's argument once again revolves around the idea that the Catalyst's intent is solely malicious, and that anything he comes up with is inherently a bad solution and therefore must be rejected solely on that premise.

She claims that Synthesis is the exact same thing as being stuffed into a Reaper despite the game canon itself disagreeing with her.

She also claims the Synthesis ending is nothing like what's stated and argues her headcanon of it being some sinister form of indoctrination by claiming the game supports her argument as fact. (It doesn't).

We get it, TAO:

1) You hate the Catalyst and anything to do with it.
2) You dislike the fact Refusal doesn't do what you want
3) You dislike that Synthesis is treated as a viable and beneficial outcome

Next time you want to make a thread on a topic, don't start by stating "100% fact" though. Or using Godwin's Law. Just disclaimer that you're offering your opinion/interpretation, and you won't have a problem.

She's completely right though, Why would you believe your enemy?

[mauro2222]

RiouHotaru wrote...

And once again, we've reached an impasse:

TAO's argument once again revolves around the idea that the Catalyst's intent is solely malicious, and that anything he comes up with is inherently a bad solution and therefore must be rejected solely on that premise.

The Catalyst is the equivalent of an insane human, anything that comes from his mouth is a bad solution.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

*KABOOM*

My irony meter just exploded.

Same.

Well what a suprise your all agreeing with each other

I wonder why

[zambot]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

And once again, we've reached an impasse:

TAO's argument once again revolves around the idea that the Catalyst's intent is solely malicious, and that anything he comes up with is inherently a bad solution and therefore must be rejected solely on that premise.

She claims that Synthesis is the exact same thing as being stuffed into a Reaper despite the game canon itself disagreeing with her.

She also claims the Synthesis ending is nothing like what's stated and argues her headcanon of it being some sinister form of indoctrination by claiming the game supports her argument as fact. (It doesn't).

We get it, TAO:

1) You hate the Catalyst and anything to do with it.
2) You dislike the fact Refusal doesn't do what you want
3) You dislike that Synthesis is treated as a viable and beneficial outcome

Next time you want to make a thread on a topic, don't start by stating "100% fact" though. Or using Godwin's Law. Just disclaimer that you're offering your opinion/interpretation, and you won't have a problem.

She's completely right though, Why would you believe your enemy?

http://en.wikipedia....ciation_fallacy 

[mauro2222]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

Like I'd expect anything different from you Mauro.

Can say the same

You may have changed your avatar but I can see you coming from a mile away

I have the same name...
Even same signatures.

I can't change my avatar now?

Modifié par mauro2222, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:22 .

[Heeden]

The Angry One wrote...

Heeden wrote...

Shortly before they referred to a Catalyst quote as head-canon and redefined "making stuff up" as "reading between the lines".

No, thinking that this LITERALLY HAPPENED is the part that you made up.

I think that because it is what is said in the extended Synthesis explanation, we see it happening when Shep jumps in the beam, we see energy being distributed through the galaxy and it fits with the space-magic that has been established since ME1.

Now what evidence do you have that the green energy is actually robot-bits that also mind control, other than things you're imagining?

Either you're doing this tongue-in-cheek or you honestly think Mass Effect somehow has a "right answer" and the rest are tricks for some inexplicable reason or you're just really angry at something and the ME forums are a place to vent.

Ah look, again with the veiled insults and false claims. Everything I say is taken directly from in game lore whereas you are headcanoning non-stop.

You're claiming a phrase is head-canon after I showed you the youtube vid and have already admitted to rejecting the Catalyst's words in order to make stuff up between-the-lines. Also no veiled insults, I actually meant it as a compliment and my earlier comment about your Godwinning stands.

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

And once again, we've reached an impasse:

TAO's argument once again revolves around the idea that the Catalyst's intent is solely malicious, and that anything he comes up with is inherently a bad solution and therefore must be rejected solely on that premise.

Forgive me for thinking that a murderer of quintillions could ever be wrong.

She claims that Synthesis is the exact same thing as being stuffed into a Reaper despite the game canon itself disagreeing with her.

Philosophically, it is the same. It's not that far removed from huskification.

She also claims the Synthesis ending is nothing like what's stated and argues her headcanon of it being some sinister form of indoctrination by claiming the game supports her argument as fact. (It doesn't).

It does. See, we can go on this roundabout all day.
Except, I've explained why it does, and one sugar-coated faux utopia scene won't change that.

We get it, TAO:

1) You hate the Catalyst and anything to do with it.
2) You dislike the fact Refusal doesn't do what you want
3) You dislike that Synthesis is treated as a viable and beneficial outcome

Next time you want to make a thread on a topic, don't start by stating "100% fact" though. Or using Godwin's Law. Just disclaimer that you're offering your opinion/interpretation, and you won't have a problem.

The Catalyst wants synthesis. This IS 100% fact.
It's fact as fact can be. You criticise me for pointing out when the Catalyst is lying yet you apparently think it's lying about the one thing it has little reason to lie about?

[wantedman dan]

zambot wrote...

What is his point?  He is trying to claim that synthsis must mean people are brainwashed because the new opinions of people (working with reapers) is forced.  I provided an argument why the opinion is not necessarily forced.  He has yet to deal with that.  He's trying to lay a trap by presuming that forced "knowledge" equats to forced "opinions".  It does not.  It's fallacy.

...So because you disagree with the argument, it's a trap. I see.

A rather disappointing display.

[Torrible]

mauro2222 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

And once again, we've reached an impasse:

TAO's argument once again revolves around the idea that the Catalyst's intent is solely malicious, and that anything he comes up with is inherently a bad solution and therefore must be rejected solely on that premise.

The Catalyst is the equivalent of an insane human, anything that comes from his mouth is a bad solution.

From: http://social.biowar...5245/3#12977735

1. The Catalyst begins as neither trust worthy nor untrustworthy (think Vigil from ME1).
2. The Catalyst deliberately tells you it is the Reaper King which means you have no choice but to mistrust it.
3. The fact that the Catalyst willingly tells you that it is the Reaper King and thus unworthy of your trust tells us that it doesn’t care what you think about it or not. If it did want to trick you into doing something inadvertently then it would not begin by giving you the biggest reason in the world not to trust it.
4. If the Catalyst is not concerned with whether or not you believe it and is thus not trying to trick you then its only concern can be the conveyance of the facts and information that it has.
5. If all the Catalyst cares about is facts and not manipulation then you can trust it.

[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

*shrugs* Dan is not a troll. He has a valid point.

Like I'd expect anything different from you Mauro.

Can say the same

You may have changed your avatar but I can see you coming from a mile away

I have the same name...
Even same signatures.

I can't change my avatar now?

Damn your dense I wasn't bashing you changing your avatar.  I guess you people have no humor.  We will never understand each other

[zambot]

wantedman dan wrote...

zambot wrote...

What is his point?  He is trying to claim that synthsis must mean people are brainwashed because the new opinions of people (working with reapers) is forced.  I provided an argument why the opinion is not necessarily forced.  He has yet to deal with that.  He's trying to lay a trap by presuming that forced "knowledge" equats to forced "opinions".  It does not.  It's fallacy.

...So because you disagree with the argument, it's a trap. I see.

A rather disappointing display.

Fine.  Convince me that forcing knowledge on someone is the same thing as forcing them to have an opinion.

Edit: I could tape your eyelinds open and strap you to a chair and force you two watch every single IT video ever made.  Does that mean I forced you to believe in IT?

Modifié par zambot, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .

[KotorEffect3]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wantedman dan is just a troll that tries to act like he is superior to anyone that does not agree with him

*KABOOM*

My irony meter just exploded.

Same.

Well what a suprise your all agreeing with each other

I wonder why

Your "us vs them" mentality.

[Ticonderoga117]

Rubios wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

No mention of what the threshold for "ready" is

Small details, like a huge ass machine called The Crucible.

"Congratualtions! You are now ready to be forcibly changed into a new form of life because you have built the Galaxy's biggest battery!"

Yeah.. no. <_<

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:27 .

[Memnon]

Rubios wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

No mention of what the threshold for "ready" is

Small details, like a huge ass machine called The Crucible.

How did they try a galaxy-wide synthesis without a similar device?