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[Heeden]

Billyg3453 wrote...

Heeden wrote...

So my point stands, the Synthe-beam did not add the robotic parts or mind-control them.

Then I think I misread your previous statement. I thought you were saying that in Synthesis, you did not see any Reaper brainwashed people, which is untrue because we see the Husks regain their sapience.

A-ha. I actually find the potential effects on the Reaper-forces to be one of the most intriguing part of Synthesis. Are they an avatar of their "creator" Reaper? A revived version of the body's previous owner? A completely new being? How do they rate on the sentience scale, above, below or same level as humans? What will they do?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Synthesis and refusal don't have to be mutualy exclusive topics.  Funny how all the idiots accusing me of derailing threads have been doing it for months with their "endings suck" tirades in threads that had nothing to do with the ending.

The only thing that amazes me is how you continue to disregard the forum rules of the company you claim to defend.

But fine, you've flooded the topic with irrelevancy just as you wanted. Hope you're happy.

I am not the ones who turned this into a "let's whine about KotorEffect 3" whinefest.  I came in here to discuss how synthesis is a viable option.  One of three viable options.

You earned that title, do you want me to show you how you came in here basing refusal, I even ask politely to talk about synthesis, but you continued, then i got mad. That's you being a hypocrite.


And yes before you write something I can already predict what your going to write. " no your a hypocrite i was talking about synthesis"

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[ghost9191]

Rubios wrote...

I love brainwashing.

Reapers

i believe they call it "indoctrination"

[Baronesa]

Rubios wrote...

I love brainwashing.

Reapers

I love brainwashing too... but just on me... not on a Galactic Scale -.-

[Heeden]

ghost9191 wrote...

just throwing this out there, control doesn't do much bad and at least you don't change anyone,. although it is a police state kinda

Even as a paragon I worry about the results of choosing Control, but my Shep always was a bit pro-active.

other note destroy isn't all bad,  i mean machines don't have emotions so i get where your coming from about the love but there is tolerence in it

I don't think it counts as tolerance if you first eliminate all the things you don't want to tolerate. I won't do it myself but feel free to Godwin the thread again following that sentence.

[The Angry One]

Heeden wrote...

Luxure wrote...

No *brohoof* for you mister!
You're not a brony anymore!

Look at the three endings, tell me which one includes the most Love and Tolerance, then you take a good, long look at yourself, mister, and tell me why these beings have to die when Friendship is (Space)  Magic.

Besides, everyone knows Synthesis will make everything at least 20% cooler.

Synthesis is the opposite of tolerance.

Tolerance is making peace with the Geth.
Tolerance is EDI co-existing with the crew.

Tolerance is not forcing "understanding" on synthetics. Tolerance is not making everyone part organic and part synthetic. Differences are not a bad thing.

[Luxure]

@Heeden The most Love and Tolerance ? Control ending. The most morally good, and beneficent choice ? Destroy ending, which I'm a huge fan of.

Queen Chrysalis was bent on conquering Equastria, she couldn't be reasoned with. She had her well set plan, the day was supposed to be perfect. But Twilight saw past her disguise ( while in her Princess Mi Amore Cadenza disguise ) and showed her friends the truth about her, and did every possible thing to stop her. Chrysalis is just like the Reapers.

Edit : Mane Six couldn't bargain with her, so they had to eliminate her, not join her. 

Modifié par Luxure, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:23 .

[Billyg3453]

Heeden wrote...

A-ha. I actually find the potential effects on the Reaper-forces to be one of the most intriguing part of Synthesis. Are they an avatar of their "creator" Reaper? A revived version of the body's previous owner? A completely new being? How do they rate on the sentience scale, above, below or same level as humans? What will they do?

Regardless, I find it hard to believe that the Reaper-ized froces could rejoin society in any way, especially our Brute and Banshee friends.

I think it was a dumb inclusion in Synthesis. It makes it seem much more out of place and unrealistic.

[mauro2222]

Billyg3453 wrote...



Your new neighbor!

She stole my husband!

The husks are going to have a sad life, that's for sure.

[ghost9191]

Heeden wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

just throwing this out there, control doesn't do much bad and at least you don't change anyone,. although it is a police state kinda

Even as a paragon I worry about the results of choosing Control, but my Shep always was a bit pro-active.

other note destroy isn't all bad,  i mean machines don't have emotions so i get where your coming from about the love but there is tolerence in it

I don't think it counts as tolerance if you first eliminate all the things you don't want to tolerate. I won't do it myself but feel free to Godwin the thread again following that sentence.

i am not gonna godwin the thread, dislike when ppl do that. It was a attempt at a joke. i am bad at those

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

Heeden wrote...

Luxure wrote...

No *brohoof* for you mister!
You're not a brony anymore!

Look at the three endings, tell me which one includes the most Love and Tolerance, then you take a good, long look at yourself, mister, and tell me why these beings have to die when Friendship is (Space)  Magic.

Besides, everyone knows Synthesis will make everything at least 20% cooler.

Synthesis is the opposite of tolerance.

Tolerance is making peace with the Geth.
Tolerance is EDI co-existing with the crew.

Tolerance is not forcing "understanding" on synthetics. Tolerance is not making everyone part organic and part synthetic. Differences are not a bad thing.

Synthesis is not about tolerance.  It is about using a viable solution to get the reapers off the galaxy's back making the cycle become obsolete.

[ghost9191]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Heeden wrote...

Luxure wrote...

No *brohoof* for you mister!
You're not a brony anymore!

Look at the three endings, tell me which one includes the most Love and Tolerance, then you take a good, long look at yourself, mister, and tell me why these beings have to die when Friendship is (Space)  Magic.

Besides, everyone knows Synthesis will make everything at least 20% cooler.

Synthesis is the opposite of tolerance.

Tolerance is making peace with the Geth.
Tolerance is EDI co-existing with the crew.

Tolerance is not forcing "understanding" on synthetics. Tolerance is not making everyone part organic and part synthetic. Differences are not a bad thing.

Synthesis is not about tolerance.  It is about using a viable solution to get the reapers off the galaxy's back making the cycle become obsolete.

which you could do by just destroying the reapers outright, and that way there is no risk they will reap another organic species

[KotorEffect3]

mauro2222 wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...



Your new neighbor!

She stole my husband!

The husks are going to have a sad life, that's for sure.

You are assuming the huskification process can't be reversed.  With the now belevant reapers helping out they may be able to reverse the huskification process.

[Versus Omnibus]

Heeden wrote...

A-ha. I actually find the potential effects on the Reaper-forces to be one of the most intriguing part of Synthesis. Are they an avatar of their "creator" Reaper? A revived version of the body's previous owner? A completely new being? How do they rate on the sentience scale, above, below or same level as humans? What will they do?

I think they're avatars of the Reapers after they were freed from the Catalyst's control. They were not alive as the Reaper's ground forces, so why would they be alive now?

Modifié par Versus Omnibus, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[The Angry One]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Synthesis is not about tolerance.  It is about using a viable solution to get the reapers off the galaxy's back making the cycle become obsolete.

That's not a viable solution at all, it's capitulation.

[KotorEffect3]

ghost9191 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Heeden wrote...

Luxure wrote...

No *brohoof* for you mister!
You're not a brony anymore!

Look at the three endings, tell me which one includes the most Love and Tolerance, then you take a good, long look at yourself, mister, and tell me why these beings have to die when Friendship is (Space)  Magic.

Besides, everyone knows Synthesis will make everything at least 20% cooler.

Synthesis is the opposite of tolerance.

Tolerance is making peace with the Geth.
Tolerance is EDI co-existing with the crew.

Tolerance is not forcing "understanding" on synthetics. Tolerance is not making everyone part organic and part synthetic. Differences are not a bad thing.

Synthesis is not about tolerance.  It is about using a viable solution to get the reapers off the galaxy's back making the cycle become obsolete.

which you could do by just destroying the reapers outright, and that way there is no risk they will reap another organic species

Agreed,  I never said synthesis was the best choice just a viable one.  The only reason to choose synthesis is because people don't want to have the deaths of the geth on their conscious or they don't trust reaper controller shepard.  I prefer destroy but I prefer synthesis to reaper controller shepard

[The Angry One]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are assuming the huskification process can't be reversed.  With the now belevant reapers helping out they may be able to reverse the huskification process.

Tell that to the human grafted on to a Cannibal's arm.
Or the skulls inside a Praetorian.
Or the Turian head on a Krogan body.

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Synthesis is not about tolerance.  It is about using a viable solution to get the reapers off the galaxy's back making the cycle become obsolete.

That's not a viable solution at all, it's capitulation.

The reapers don't have an agenda, they don't care about "winning".  They have a function to perform, a role to fulfill.  By choosing synthesis you are effectively rendering the cycle obsolete and the reapers old role is outdated.  They have no more reason to reap.  You don't have to like it but that is what synthesis effectively does.

[Heeden]

The Angry One wrote...

Synthesis is the opposite of tolerance.

Tolerance is making peace with the Geth.
Tolerance is EDI co-existing with the crew.

Tolerance is not forcing "understanding" on synthetics. Tolerance is not making everyone part organic and part synthetic. Differences are not a bad thing.

Tolerance is accepting others and finding ways to accommodate them, Synthesis is the only way you can do this whilst respecting the sanctity of sentient beings to have free-will.

No matter how much you head-canon you will not be able to show that in-game Synthesis denies free-will. You will not be able to show with in-game lore that differences are eliminated as a direct result of Synthesis.

[General User]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are assuming the huskification process can't be reversed.  With the now belevant reapers helping out they may be able to reverse the huskification process.

I wouldn't bet on it.  I seem to recall something about "all the King's horses, and all the Kings men..." that might fit.

[Billyg3453]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are assuming the huskification process can't be reversed.  With the now belevant reapers helping out they may be able to reverse the huskification process.

Tell that to the human grafted on to a Cannibal's arm.
Or the skulls inside a Praetorian.
Or the Turian head on a Krogan body.

Or the now 8 foot tall, seaweed fingered banshees

[KotorEffect3]

The Angry One wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

You are assuming the huskification process can't be reversed.  With the now belevant reapers helping out they may be able to reverse the huskification process.

Tell that to the human grafted on to a Cannibal's arm.
Or the skulls inside a Praetorian.
Or the Turian head on a Krogan body.

I said they might be able to.  You have no idea what kind of things the reapers are capable of.  They have access to millions of years of knowledge and technology.  They have harvested thousands of civilizations and their technology.  They created the mass relays and the citadel.  We have only seen the ugly part of reaper abilities up close we don't know what else they are capable.  Note I am not saying I am a big fan of the reapers.  I am just stating that if anyone can reverse what they did the reapers can.

[Luxure]

Tolerance can not be applied here. What if I wanted to kill you, and turn you into pig food. How would you accommodate to me ? "Tolerating" the Reapers is a dream. They have been doing this for more than 1 billion years. Tolerance is out of discussion.