CrutchCricket wrote...
Indeed. He's now the indoctrinator, not the indoctrinateeMesina2 wrote...
Shepard isn't indoctrinated.
Baronesa wrote...
That was fun... But switchs confuse me ... I prefer very well defined Dommes and subs... oh wait... wrong topic!
The Angry One wrote...
Irrelevant. You CANNOT come to an understanding with the Reapers, and no organic would be stupid enough to try.
A galactic community of Reapers. We changed to a form they find tolerable.
That is NOT understanding.
Yes, they don't kill us because we are now them. They haven't changed at all.
A one-sided compromise is not a compromise.
Not all of the Geth were like that. The Heretics joined the Reapers. (That's if you believe they joined willingly, which I do.) And then when pushed to the brink of extinction, the Geth joined the Reapers.The Angry One wrote...
Show me one synthetic race that has actively desired synthesis.
Look at the Geth, they find the idea of compromise with the Reapers repugnant. But suddenly synthetics fighting the Reapers are going to want to become one with them.
The Angry One wrote...
Heeden wrote...
Baronesa wrote...
Why is that change??
They accomplished their goal and changed EVERYONE... so tehre is no more reason to kill us... that is not changing! that is resting after accomplishing their goal!
The Reaper's goals were the Harvest, the change makes the Harvest no longer necessary so they change their goals. Note all the killing everybody that isn't happening? That is a change for the Reapers.
The harvesting was a means to an end. That was not their goal. Their goal was synthesis. Listen to the Catalyst.
Again you repeat that they're not killing everybody.
I'm sorry everyone, I must Godwin the thread because this person refuses to get it.
If Hitler made a magic machine that turned every human into his Aryan ideal, he would stop killing everyone.
Would this be because he came to an understanding? No! It's because he turned everyone into an Aryan!
Heeden wrote...
Billyg3453 wrote...
Where's that? When every Reaper you've ever spoken with said we can't understand and our extincition is inevitable?
Yes they do, and then we create the Crucible which gives new options, at which point the Catalyst bows to our superior solutions and asks which one we'd like to pick.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Yeah, we just become husk 2.0. Such a better step up. <_<
Heeden wrote...
Synthesis allows it, I can't believe you rant so much about a subject you haven't even looked in to.
Watch the Synthesis ending, note how organic life is still organic life and not interred in Reapers. We have a new capability, we can fully interact with technology, that does not make us Reapers.
Please look at what a Reaper actually is, they are a synthetic being created by interring numerous (up to the billions) organic minds within a single body. That does not happen in Synthesis.
The Angry One wrote...
Optimystic_X wrote...
A third explanation: recall that our cycle can have synthetics work on the crucible too. We aren't the first cycle to have a synthetic race fight the Reapers. (100% fact - Starkid says this himself.) But if machines see Synthesis as logical/desirable, they would have been glad to build that function into the Crucible, possibly even without the organics they were working with realizing they did so.
Show me one synthetic race that has actively desired synthesis.
Look at the Geth, they find the idea of compromise with the Reapers repugnant. But suddenly synthetics fighting the Reapers are going to want to become one with them.
Heeden wrote...
It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.
CrutchCricket wrote...
You let billions die. I support your right and even your reasons to do so. But don't kid yourself. You are directly responsible for the completion of the cycle when you could've done something about it.
Modifié par wantedman dan, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:12 .
Pacifien wrote...
Not all of the Geth were like that. The Heretics joined the Reapers. (That's if you believe they joined willingly, which I do.) And then when pushed to the brink of extinction, the Geth joined the Reapers.
Which does make me think about what the Geth would have chosen if given the choice between Control, Synthesis, or Destroy. Legion already chose a form of Synthesis and then uploaded that to all the Geth. If given the choice between their own possible destruction or two methods of survival, one of which is to accept further Reaper code, they've already demonstrated a willingness to do whatever it takes to make sure they do not go extinct.
The Angry One wrote...
I recommend you read between the lines, and realise that synthesis remakes all life in the Reaper's image. A life form they can tolerate.
The Angry One wrote...
This is 100% fact, shown within the game when the head Reaper itself not only promotes synthesis as the best thing ever, but admits that it tried it before.
No this isn't about the morality or lack thereof of synthesis, there are enough topics about that.
Here I ask.... if we are to believe that the Crucible was designed by some unknown organic race and improved upon in the following eons... why does it have an option for synthesis?
Not only is it what the Reapers want. But think about this. Really think about this. The people who designed/added to the Crucible wouldn't be thinking "We need to merge with synthetics for greater understanding/final evolution of life/blah blah blah!". They'd be thinking "Oh my god those giant metal cuttlefish are going to kill us, we need to build something to stop them."
I really have to wonder what kind of mentality would see giant metal killbots and think "You know what would be a good idea? Merging our bodies with them!".
Modifié par Caenis, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .
After Synthesis, organic life is most certainly NOT still organic life; it is "synthesised" life (hence the word "Synthesis"). Organic lifeforms like us have been changed into a form the Reapers find acceptable, and thus they no longer seek to "harvest" us.Heeden wrote...
Watch the Synthesis ending, note how organic life is still organic life and not interred in Reapers. We have a new capability, we can fully interact with technology, that does not make us Reapers.
Modifié par General User, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:11 .
MegaSovereign wrote...
Gotta disagree there TAO.
I remember clearly that the Geth went to the Reapers for help during the Geth/Quarian war. They prefer submission over extinction.
Also synthetic life is actively seeking perfection through understanding. And since the Geth don't have the same morals as organics, I doubt they would care if synthesis was forced on them.
Modifié par The Angry One, 05 juillet 2012 - 05:13 .
Actually it is. It is stated that synthesis will create a new framework that combines synthetics and organics into a new synthetic-organic DNA.Heeden wrote...
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Yeah, we just become husk 2.0. Such a better step up. <_<
Husks have organic parts replaced by technology so their relationship to the originator species is mostly superficial, this is not the case - either stated or implied - with Synthesis.
Reading between the lines is not the same as making up a load of rubbish.
The Harvest remakes life in the Reaper's image, if thay was the Catalyst's aim he could have achieved ages ago by allowing the Harvest to continue until all life - not just advanced species - have been interred.
WYLDMAXX wrote...
Heeden wrote...
It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.
Its a nice to know people still want this to be true.
Heeden wrote...
Husks have organic parts replaced by technology so their relationship to the originator species is mostly superficial, this is not the case - either stated or implied - with Synthesis.
You could've directly ended it by shooting the thing, grabbing the things, or throwing yourself down the beamy thing. You directly refused. As a result everybody dies.wantedman dan wrote...
Directly, no. Indirectly, yes.
If I must become the enemy to stop the enemy, I have no justification in stopping him in the first place.
The Angry One wrote...
The harvesting was a means to an end. That was not their goal. Their goal was synthesis. Listen to the Catalyst.
Welsh Inferno wrote...
I love that some people have almost the complete polar opposite view to what BioWare intended with the endings. Its funny. Would of helped if they wrote the entire thing better though..
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