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I'd rather have us reach Synthesis on our own, without the Reapers and their troops around.


Me too kinda. I don't object to the Reapers as entities - they are just as much victims of the cycle and the (possible) mistakes the Catalyst's creators made in its programming. I attatch no blame to them and find it deeply regrettable that I have to end their existence.

I just have worries about giving the galaxy as it stands such a massive boost in tech-level. We can see the path now, I believe we will follow it without the dangers of stagnation from being up-lifted too early (Mordin makes a speech about it in ME2 which affected me deeply).

But I find the death of the Reapers to be an atrocity, added to the extra atrocities of killing the Geth and EDI.

However I do understand I could be wrong, and Synthesis might just be a little step that does no harm in the long-run. It's down to my personal view of the galaxy and my attempts to predict (or head-canon) the future.

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This is where we differ. I have seen throughout ME3 that organics and synthetics can now cooperate and develop towards their potential without the aid of the Crucible.

Synthesis stresses that Synthetics (particularly EDI) are now "alive". Except Edi just told me 30 minutes ago she was alive, and the Geth already are conscience.

I'd rather have us reach Synthesis on our own, without the Reapers and their troops around.


That's also a valid course of action. But I also had to ask myself what would be lost in going about it the hard way.

A key decision point that pivoted my decission: I saved Mordin's data. It saved Eve. The Krogan could have been cured ethicly in the future. But doing so now insured that two strong leaders pushed the course of the Krogan towards a more constructive development. As such, the species was forever altered by my interferance, for the better.

The Geth and the Quarians would have spiraled out of control with one ultimately wiping out the other if I had not interefered in the course of their lives and cause the Quarian fleets to hold fire, while letting Legion make the upgrade upload. Both of these things were a direct result of my choices and actions, and even then, I was letting Legion use the technology of the enemy - an outside interference, when previously even Legion said that it was the right of species to self-determinate.

Self Determination would have resulted in the loss of all the Quarians.

So I have to ask you, just how much are you willing to sacrafice to go the long way around?

After going as far as I did to get the results that I could - I didn't see enough of a distinction between that and the decissions I had already made. You solution is nice in theory, but the cost was too high to sit and wait for everyone to get their heads out of their arses.

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Hyrist wrote...

So I have to ask you, just how much are you willing to sacrafice to go the long way around?

After going as far as I did to get the results that I could - I didn't see enough of a distinction between that and the decissions I had already made. You solution is nice in theory, but the cost was too high to sit and wait for everyone to get their heads out of their arses.

Any cost that stops the Reapers is acceptable. I told them this before.

No matter what Synthesis tells me, a galaxy that has Reapers and Husks is not safe from the Reapers in my opinion. Edi and the Geth were allies of mine who I whole heartedly considered to be alive. But ending the Reapers and their determination of the Galaxy was more important to me.

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Billyg3453 wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

So I have to ask you, just how much are you willing to sacrafice to go the long way around?

After going as far as I did to get the results that I could - I didn't see enough of a distinction between that and the decissions I had already made. You solution is nice in theory, but the cost was too high to sit and wait for everyone to get their heads out of their arses.

Any cost that stops the Reapers is acceptable. I told them this before.

No matter what Synthesis tells me, a galaxy that has Reapers and Husks is not safe from the Reapers in my opinion. Edi and the Geth were allies of mine who I whole heartedly considered to be alive. But ending the Reapers and their determination of the Galaxy was more important to me.


Exactly my sentiment. Synthesis was the Catalyst's choice, ergo it was the wrong one.

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Aside from the fact that a permanent solution to conflict between the deviding lines of Synthetic and Organic fell directly in line with the moral stances I took during the entirety of my campaign?

It was the ultimate solution. Destroying the Reapers risked the recreation of the entire problem over again. Someone had to Create the Catalyst for the whole Reaper problem to exist. It's easy for short-sighted organics to fall upon that same error again.

Control runs a greater risk of Shepard ultimately agreeing with the Catalyst after so many years of evidence proving that hey, a lasting peace can't be reached conventionally. We see the short term of it, sure, but down the line, nothing proves that Reapard truely understands the values of the personality infused in it.

Synthsis ends the debate decidedly by blurring the distinctive line between synthetic and organic. Furthermore, it also puts a decisive end to ignorance by sharing the exprience and knowledge base of all harvested and living life.

The Catalyst's interest in Synthisis only extends as far as it resolving the problem it was created to solve. And while it ultimately reaches that resolution, it also resolves quite a bit of other problems that plagues the Galaxy, and even our own forum boards. 

If you chose Synthesis in order to resolve some sort of inherent conflict between organics and synthetics, then you wasted your time, because that sort of thing just doesn't exist.  In many ways, organics and synthetics aren't even that different at all.  Synthesis can't decidely blur any such line because that line is already so blurred it can't truely even be said to be a line.

I ask you, what is this "Great Divide" that supposedly exists between organics and synthetics?  It's not physical.  As the Catalyst itself says, Shepard is partly synthetic.  It's not mental or emotional.  EDI becomes more and more "human" with every conversation she has with Shepard, actually EDI is a better human being than many a woman of flesh and blood.  It's not even spiritual.  Child-like though they may be, the geth are all about exploring the supernatural aspects of existence and have made a better show of it than quite a few full grown humans. 


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Sure, we wouldent lose the ability to disagree heatedly with one another, but those disagreements would only be made out of personal prefence and values, not out of a lack of perspective or information. The Catalyst says that the machines would gain an understanding of organics out of the deal - but truth be told, we'd also gain a far greater understanding of ourselves and one another as well.

It's too big of a prize to pass up.

Even if that sort of thing did turn out to be a consequence of Synthesis, there's a big problem with that.  You could put all the perspective and information you want into the hands of everyone on every side of every debate, but people still need to have the intellectual integrity to face that information and those perspectives and their implications.  And the only way we have to acquire that integrity is by maturing.  By having our ideas and perspective challenged, and by admitting when we are in error.  And that's process Synthesis completely knee-caps. 

Just look at the Kasumi slide.  She's so happy to have her boyfriend back.  But he isn't.  She's living with a ghost.  It's disturbing and very sad.  Imagine a world where we never have to come to terms with the ugly side of life, where no one is ever forced to develope the backbone it takes to admit when they're wrong.  When, as soon as their opinions are challenged, we can retreat into our own personal little fantasy world.  It'd be a world of children.

You want a world where we can gain a greater understanding of ourselves and each other?  We're already in it.  And we didn't need Synthesis to get there.

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I'll likely get a ban for this but the sheer level of ignorance surrounding this issue has reached such a level I literally feel compelled to make this point. Firstly, it's a simple matter of fact that the Reapers are not benevolentt, nor are they victims.

Secondly, Synthesis is tantamount to eugenics, with an additional (very nasty) little caveat: Synthesis actually requires both genetic and cognitive modification. And all this without the permission of each and every recipient.

I mean, the level of emotion expressed in opposition to the the idea of synthesis in this thread  alone should be more than enough evidence to our resident megalomaniacs that they simply have no right to make that choice on behalf of the BSN, let alone an entire galaxy. Once more...you have no right! Understand?

That a simple 5 minute cutscene presenting an ambiguous (albeit hopeful) synthetic future is enough to convince certain individuals to toss their morals out of the nearest airlock is astonishing. To confirm, Synthesis is a morally repugnant proposition and its supporters an absolute disgrace.

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Fandango9641 wrote...

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Not as disgraceful as somebody belittling others over a choice they made to save lives.

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i get how some can see reapers as victims, i mean if it were happening in rl i sure wouldn't , i would despise them. but even if they are just doing what they are programmed to do, they still need to be stopped, just the same as saren, he was indoctrinated but was still a threat. the conversation liara and shep had in me1 about it said it best.

people are free to choose it , it is their choice i just don't see how the people that wrote the ME universe could think of this as the best option, it goes against everything you fought for and said through out all 3 games. the only way to achieve peace between synthetics and organics is to remove organics and synthetics, last i checked i was able to make peace between the geth and quarians , there is more to it but i don't feel like rambling

in short i disagree with synthesis but respect peoples right to choose it

oh  and not saying ppl at bioware think that synthesis is the best but it seemed to be that way ingame. although they could've jsut made the catalyst paint it that way, it is what the catalyst wants after

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Versus Omnibus wrote...

Not as disgraceful as somebody belittling others over a choice they made to save lives.


Save or condemn Versus Omnibus?

ghost9191 wrote...

in short i disagree with synthesis but respect peoples right to choose it


You respect the right of someone to decide to choose you a future you dont want?

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Fandango9641 wrote...

I'll likely get a ban for this but the sheer level of ignorance surrounding this issue has reached such a level I literally feel compelled to make this point. Firstly, it's a simple matter of fact that the Reapers are not benevolent, nor are they victims.

Secondly, Synthesis is tantamount to eugenics, with an additional (very nasty) little caveat: Synthesis actually requires both genetic and cognitive modification. And all this without the permission of each and every recipient. I mean, the level of emotion expressed in opposition to the the idea of synthesis in this very thread should be more than enough evidence to our resident megalomaniacs that they simply have no right to make that choice on behalf of the BSN, let alone an entire galaxy. Once more...you have no right! Understand?

That a simple 5 minute cutscene presenting an ambiguous (albeit hopeful) synthetic future is enough to convince certain individuals to toss their morals out of the nearest airlock is astonishing. To confirm, Synthesis is a morally repugnant proposition and its supporters an absolute disgrace.


The problem is almost all opposition to this is emotional only. When in war or making a major decision is it best to follow emotion or logic? Logical opposition like disliking the space magic *though 3 endings use space magic*, not trusting the catalyst *though any decision requires trust of some sort besides refusal*, or just not feeling that synthesis fits the storyline, all are acceptable debate/discussion points. If you simply say "morally wrong", "genetic rape", "eugenics" *which isn't even accurate because you aren't using selective breeding* are simply emotional responses.

In all there is no choice that is inherently wrong. There are drawbacks and untold repercussions to all three original choices with only refusal having obvious problems. You have no right to tell anyone they are wrong or an "absolute disgrace" for what they felt was the best choice available to them.

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Fandango9641 wrote...

I'll likely get a ban for this but the sheer level of ignorance surrounding this issue has reached such a level I literally feel compelled to make this point. Firstly, it's a simple matter of fact that the Reapers are not benevolent, nor are they victims.

Secondly, Synthesis is tantamount to eugenics, with an additional (very nasty) little caveat: Synthesis actually requires both genetic and cognitive modification. And all this without the permission of each and every recipient. I mean, the level of emotion expressed in opposition to the the idea of synthesis in this very thread should be more than enough evidence to our resident megalomaniacs that they simply have no right to make that choice on behalf of the BSN, let alone an entire galaxy. Once more...you have no right! Understand?

That a simple 5 minute cutscene presenting an ambiguous (albeit hopeful) synthetic future is enough to convince certain individuals to toss their morals out of the nearest airlock is astonishing. To confirm, Synthesis is a morally repugnant proposition and its supporters an absolute disgrace.


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ghost9191 wrote...

i get how some can see reapers as victims, i mean if it were happening in rl i sure wouldn't , i would despise them. but even if they are just doing what they are programmed to do, they still need to be stopped, just the same as saren, he was indoctrinated but was still a threat. the conversation liara and shep had in me1 about it said it best.

people are free to choose it , it is their choice i just don't see how the people that wrote the ME universe could think of this as the best option, it goes against everything you fought for and said through out all 3 games. the only way to achieve peace between synthetics and organics and to remove organics and synthetics, last i checked i was able to make peace between the geth and quarians , there is more to it but i don't feel like rambling

in short i disagree with synthesis but respect peoples right to choose it


I thank you for respecting my choice (and hope nobody has make a choice like the ones Shepard had to make), but I have to ask people a question using the Geth and Quarians as an example about synthesis not being needed.

Why exactly did you save both?

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if i had the same phone i could change it, the same t-shirt and i could change it... i see the invasion of synthesis, both cosmetic and fundamental (and unseen) to be akin to removing a conflict through making everyone the same. americas civil rights troubles?... no probs... poof now we all have the same skin colour. the crusades? poof now we all have the same religion... no war...

The problem is you force me (or whoever) to change who they are (in this case in both cosmetic and fundamental ways) so you have removed my freedoms.

to paraphrase dennis leery in demolition man... I would like to fight for my right to be a dick (or a different religion, or white/black,yellow or gay/straight or male/female or non part synthetic) you shouldnt force that wifi aerial into my head (whilst making me glow!) without my choice... and for all the talk of control being slavery, synthesis does force me to comply with your choice... which is kinda a form of slavery anyway (imho)

 

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to clarify I didnt mean to accuse anybody in particular with uses of 'you'

also fandango9641... much agreement

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Fandango9641 wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Not as disgraceful as somebody belittling others over a choice they made to save lives.


Save of condemn Versus Omnibus?

ghost9191 wrote...

in short i disagree with synthesis but respect peoples right to choose it


You respect the right of someone to decide to choose you a future you dont want?


Their choice has nothing to do with you, it's a game. Stop acting like any of these choices have direct relation to real life.

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[quote]ghost9191 wrote...

in short i disagree with synthesis but respect peoples right to choose it

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You respect the right of someone to decide to choose you a future you dont want?[/quote]

sorry screwed up the quote

no, i respect peoples right to choose, not their choice i guess well in the sense that i don't like their choice but again  i will defend the right to a opinion or whatever, the fact i respect their right to choose is kinda ironic because ppl that choose synthesis take away ppl's choice or something:?
joke btw

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Versus Omnibus wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

i get how some can see reapers as victims, i mean if it were happening in rl i sure wouldn't , i would despise them. but even if they are just doing what they are programmed to do, they still need to be stopped, just the same as saren, he was indoctrinated but was still a threat. the conversation liara and shep had in me1 about it said it best.

people are free to choose it , it is their choice i just don't see how the people that wrote the ME universe could think of this as the best option, it goes against everything you fought for and said through out all 3 games. the only way to achieve peace between synthetics and organics and to remove organics and synthetics, last i checked i was able to make peace between the geth and quarians , there is more to it but i don't feel like rambling

in short i disagree with synthesis but respect peoples right to choose it


I thank you for respecting my choice (and hope nobody has make a choice like the ones Shepard had to make), but I have to ask people a question using the Geth and Quarians as an example about synthesis not being needed.

Why exactly did you save both?


because i had the ability to, to be honest the geth are just a war asset to me. which is wrong but they are all faceless to me after the death of legion:unsure:

to take out the reapers and give future generations the chance to live without the threat of reapers is worth the sacrifice of the geth

that and my shepard is just a soldier doing whatever he can to stop the reaper threat. everyone in the alliance agreed to use the crucible to destroy the reapers.

I have no delusions that i made the right choice, or that the cost wasn't to high , but my shepard did what had to be done to stop the reapers. Or so i think. the other options seem far to risky

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So, the Reapers want it, therefore it's bad? That's just silly and narrow, and exactly the kind of small thinking that leads to the slaughter of the Reject ending.

I thought it was pretty clear that Synthesis was one of the new possibilities the Crucible allowed. Yes, it's the Catalyst's idea. So what? He's an AI designed to stop organic-synthetic conflict, and finds a solution. Not the solution I would choose, but it's viable.

Treating everything that comes from the Catalyst as evil is a reaction of fear. Shepard the coward doesn't appeal to me, but whatever floats your boat.

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[quote]Fandango9641 wrote...

Save of condemn Versus Omnibus?

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If blurring the line between organics and synthetics saves trillions of lives from being condemned to a fate of being melted down to paste, injected into machincal monstroucity and forced to do the samething to others in the far future, then you bet your ass I would chose that.

I chose synthesis because I refuse to betray EDI, my friend, and the Geth. I chose synthesis because I refuse to create another Catalyst. I chose synthesis because I refuse to let trillions die just to keep my pride.

I chose synthesis to save lives.

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Fandango9641 wrote...

I'll likely get a ban for this but the sheer level of ignorance surrounding this issue has reached such a level I literally feel compelled to make this point. Firstly, it's a simple matter of fact that the Reapers are not benevolent, nor are they victims.

Secondly, Synthesis is tantamount to eugenics, with an additional (very nasty) little caveat: Synthesis actually requires both genetic and cognitive modification. And all this without the permission of each and every recipient. I mean, the level of emotion expressed in opposition to the the idea of synthesis in this very thread should be more than enough evidence to our resident megalomaniacs that they simply have no right to make that choice on behalf of the BSN, let alone an entire galaxy. Once more...you have no right! Understand?

That a simple 5 minute cutscene presenting an ambiguous (albeit hopeful) synthetic future is enough to convince certain individuals to toss their morals out of the nearest airlock is astonishing. To confirm, Synthesis is a morally repugnant proposition and its supporters an absolute disgrace.

You could say that about all the endings, except Destroy if the geth are not around. The order of decreasing moral repugnance and disgrace is no-geth Destroy, Control, kill-geth Destroy, Synthesis, Reject.  Because no internal morality gets around trillions dying screaming.

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because i had the ability to, to be honest the geth are just a war asset to me. which is wrong but they are all faceless to me after the death of legion:unsure:

to take out the reapers and give future generations the chance to live without the threat of reapers is worth the sacrifice of the geth

that and my shepard is just a soldier doing whatever he can to stop the reaper threat. everyone in the alliance agreed to use the crucible to destroy the reapers.

I have no delusions that i made the right choice, or that the cost wasn't to high , but my shepard did what had to be done to stop the reapers. Or so i think. the other options seem far to risky


And you made the best with a choice you didn't want to make?

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The problem is almost all opposition to this is emotional only. When in war or making a major decision is it best to follow emotion or logic? Logical opposition like disliking the space magic *though 3 endings use space magic*, not trusting the catalyst *though any decision requires trust of some sort besides refusal*, or just not feeling that synthesis fits the storyline, all are acceptable debate/discussion points. If you simply say "morally wrong", "genetic rape", "eugenics" *which isn't even accurate because you aren't using selective breeding* are simply emotional responses.

In all there is no choice that is inherently wrong. There are drawbacks and untold repercussions to all three original choices with only refusal having obvious problems. You have no right to tell anyone they are wrong or an "absolute disgrace" for what they felt was the best choice available to them.


No, mine was not a post made against the quality of writing, or the viability of a synthetic future, but the morality of the proposition.

And as for your point about eugenics, not only does synthesis require you impose your will over all sentient life in the galaxy, it also requires you change their species without pernission. THEIR SPECIES! Advocating the use of space magic to change the genetic composition of all life is almost the very definition of eugenics Malditor (only synthesis is much, much worse)! 

Malditor wrote...

Their choice has nothing to do with you, it's a game. Stop acting like any of these choices have direct relation to real life.


I can discuss the morality of the game with or without your permission Malditor thank you very much.

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Nothing the Catalyst says has any bearing on fact. He was programmed by organics. Told to believe his logic.

He presents logical fallacies. Any being functioning on "logic" should be able to figure this out.

He is machine who found a solution through simplicity. He also created the first Reaper FROM the problem he was supposed to solve.

Bahahaha.

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Versus Omnibus wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

because i had the ability to, to be honest the geth are just a war asset to me. which is wrong but they are all faceless to me after the death of legion:unsure:

to take out the reapers and give future generations the chance to live without the threat of reapers is worth the sacrifice of the geth

that and my shepard is just a soldier doing whatever he can to stop the reaper threat. everyone in the alliance agreed to use the crucible to destroy the reapers.

I have no delusions that i made the right choice, or that the cost wasn't to high , but my shepard did what had to be done to stop the reapers. Or so i think. the other options seem far to risky


And you made the best with a choice you didn't want to make?


well if u mean destroy, i am fine with choosing it, but the cost of it is a species to save i think 13 others. i just mean that others might see it as genocide, which it is. but i find it as a sacrifice for the better also, and a casualty of war. it is the safer option in my opinion also , gets rid of the reapers, which is what i set out to do. they might be machines doing as they were programmed to do but in synthesis and contro l they are still around, so there is too much risk in them.

i would prefer a better option, but i personally do not see control or synthesis as a better option. maybe i am just like anderson and only able to "see the world down the barrel of a gun"

but yeah i guess i made the best of the choices i think. gave the races (besides the geth i know ) the chance to build their own future, achieve peace on their own terms. but shepard will have some scars because of it

tried to word it the best i could :unsure:



and i know it is a game, but these choices are still good to talk over. peoples reasoning behind them is interesting. and even if it is a game it still shows how people work and act. the choices you make in game are ones you would normally make in rl:innocent:

well i don't mean you make these choices in rl but it says alot about your character i guess, you morals and such , right and wrong

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Malditor wrote...

The problem is almost all opposition to this is emotional only. When in war or making a major decision is it best to follow emotion or logic? Logical opposition like disliking the space magic *though 3 endings use space magic*, not trusting the catalyst *though any decision requires trust of some sort besides refusal*, or just not feeling that synthesis fits the storyline, all are acceptable debate/discussion points. If you simply say "morally wrong", "genetic rape", "eugenics" *which isn't even accurate because you aren't using selective breeding* are simply emotional responses.

In all there is no choice that is inherently wrong. There are drawbacks and untold repercussions to all three original choices with only refusal having obvious problems. You have no right to tell anyone they are wrong or an "absolute disgrace" for what they felt was the best choice available to them.


No, mine was not a post made against the quality of writing, or the viability of a synthetic future, but the morality of the proposition.

And as for your point about eugenics, not only does synthesis require you impose your will over all sentient life in the galaxy, it also requires you change their species without pernission. THEIR SPECIES! Advocating the use of space magic to change the genetic composition of all life is almost the very definition of eugenics Malditor (only synthesis is much, much worse)! 

Malditor wrote...

Their choice has nothing to do with you, it's a game. Stop acting like any of these choices have direct relation to real life.


I can discuss the morality of the game with or without your permission Malditor thank you very much.

Ok, so you can change the definition of eugenics to something it isn't and attack people for a decision they make in a game? How many men hit that annoying reporter in game? Does that mean that they would do so in real life? Taking something done in a game and assuming that has direct bearing on the person in reality is ridiculous.

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As I said before, I'm not arguing with absolutionists. Some of the most disgusting acts done known to man have been comitted under 'moral' judgements. To try to take a 'moral stance' on this regard as your primary motivator speaks of ignorance I would go out of my way to quietly remove. It is your 'repugnant' speach that further fuels my motivations to choose such an option.

Such is the same problem with those who are against Eugenics. Its is not the pratice of such a thing that is inherently wrong - we actually commit eugenics quite frequently in our society under the guise of various other excuses - and we quite liberally do so in agriculture.

If you wish to dilude yourself into the concept that we as a species do not already 'play god' on an inconceivable scale, that is your lie to feed yourself. I will not shy away from the ugly facts of our reality. And that is the last time I will speak to the 'moral' crowd on the choice. Many 'morals' are subjective, and often wrong as proven within our own history.

You could put all the perspective and information you want into the hands of everyone on every side of every debate, but people still need to have the intellectual integrity to face that information and those perspectives and their implications. And the only way we have to acquire that integrity is by maturing. By having our ideas and perspective challenged, and by admitting when we are in error. And that's process Synthesis completely knee-caps.


Mmm. I disagree. You're making assumption as to the impact synthesis will have on the cognitive developmental process. But you neglect to admit that the process of maturity is not by the rate we receive information, but by the manner in which we process the information, and the personal adaptation of said info.

For example: "Drinking/Drugs and Driving is bad, it can cause and accident, and kill people."

This information is free and available, and often fed to individuals at any age. Even with Synthesis, or, on the Asair level pre-Synth, Telepathically inferred to an adolescent individual - however, this may not convince said individual from doing said act. To do so is to imply that Synthesis means the end of Free Will, which is an assumption made only by those who are against the very concept on other grounds, and is therefore flawed reasoning.

Synthesis is ultimately an unknown quantity, as to the full extent of its consequences. However, as an unknown, you should also keep in mind that it is also possible, that such a choice may, in fact, not be a permanent one.

In Synthesis, the knowledge of the process of how Synthesis came about is preserved, and can be extrapolated from to halt or possibly even reverse the process, if it is publicly agreed upon that the decision was made in error. All indications is that civilizations do not come to that conclusion, but there may still be outliers that make that decision and do so for themselves on a Micro scale.


Ultimately, you see to come to the conclusion that EDI itself is a unique occurance, or that co-operation between Synthetics and Organics on a micro scale has not previously been achieved. This is limited thinking. The unity between the Geth and Quarians has existed for a month, in the face of three hundred years of separation and conflict. The scars left by that conflict does not simply 'vanish' magically because an Alien had a good speech and stopped a War Monger from dooming his own race. War could just as easily bloom up again between those two species without Shepard to prevent the loss of one of them.

The Catalysts thinking was to provide a more permanent solution. Having failed Synthsis attempts, it opted to impose a very twisted version of Noah's Arc, to preserve the knowledge and information of advanced species for the future.

There's no questioning that the methodology was barbaric. And that the Catalyst's 'solution' was inheriantly flawed. But Synthisis itself may provide an amenity for that.

The Genophage was wrong, and Maelon's Experiements were unethical, but through both, the Krogan had the possibility to reach back to their aincent roots and the genophague was cured with a strong leader to guide the race on a constructive path.

So to can the results of Synthesis turn the morally wrong choice of the Catalyst into a better solution. Not only form the information that was stored there, but from the distinct possibility that the lost races might even be able to be revived from the genetic data stored within the Reapers. Destroying the Reapers destroys that potential.


People seem to think this is a new question. However, this is essentially Pandora's Box - fear of the unknown. You're not wrong to be weary of it, but the ultimate decision lies in the hands of each individual. And my life has taught me to value progress over sanctity, and I'm of the staunch opinion that we, as a species, should really focus quite a bit more on the progress and survival of we, as a species, above our own petty differences.