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[comrade gando]

Ok so we go through the entire series being told the reapers are the bad guys, and they certainly want to wreck the galaxy. Then in the last 10 minutes an unexplained starchild tells me the reapers are the good guys and they're trying to save us?? What was mac walters smoking? Unless they did this on purpose, judging by EC... Theyre dead serious. I certainly hope they are trolling.

[KotorEffect3]

comrade gando wrote...

Ok so we go through the entire series being told the reapers are the bad guys, and they certainly want to wreck the galaxy. Then in the last 10 minutes an unexplained starchild tells me the reapers are the good guys and they're trying to save us?? What was mac walters smoking? Unless they did this on purpose, judging by EC... Theyre dead serious. I certainly hope they are trolling.

If you think they are the bad guys than pick destroy.  I don't know why people have a hard time understanding that you aren't forced into picking control or synthesis.  (well maybe control if you have crappy ems and you saved the collector base in ME 2)

[Mystiq6]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Destroy: Sure the Catalyst and reapers die... but you achieve THEIR GOAL by destroying synthetics.

Synthesis: What the catalyst wanted, it does even SAY SO IN DIALOGUE.

The Catalyst states that choosing destroy will result in the cycle starting again without any sort of restriction. Using the Catalyst's words, their goal has been about the preservation of organic life.

Even if the destroy ending destroys all currently existing synthetics, if we're already taking the Catalyst's words as evidence, then we can definitively conclude that choosing destroy does not accomplish, in any way, the purpose of the Reapers. It's decidedly not what the Catalyst wanted, even excluding any sort of self preservation.

Nothing is stopping synthetic life from being created again. The Catalyst states this is actually inevitable. Whether or not they're doomed to fight organics is up to the future to prove the Catalyst wrong.


My $0.02

What a lot of people are missing is that, just like the Catalyst says that Synthetics will be created again in Destroy, nothing is stopping nature from recreating pure organics with Synthesis. And then, nothing is stopping the reapers from forcing Synthesis on every single life form in the universe.

I really believe the only way to stop this "chaos" is to just destroy the reapers, and I can't damn Shepinger to an eternity in a metal prison with Control.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 06 juillet 2012 - 03:08 .

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

This is 100% fact, shown within the game when the head Reaper itself not only promotes synthesis as the best thing ever, but admits that it tried it before.

That doesn't make it a bad thing. Many dictators in Earth's history have promoted equality between men and women even though they ruled with an iron fist, like the Shah of Iran. Does that make women's rights a bad thing? No?

No this isn't about the morality or lack thereof of synthesis, there are enough topics about that.
Here I ask.... if we are to believe that the Crucible was designed by some unknown organic race and improved upon in the following eons... why does it have an option for synthesis?

Because it is now possible. It was not possible before. Were you paying attention?

Not only is it what the Reapers want. But think about this. Really think about this. The people who designed/added to the Crucible wouldn't be thinking "We need to merge with synthetics for greater understanding/final evolution of life/blah blah blah!". They'd be thinking "Oh my god those giant metal cuttlefish are going to kill us, we need to build something to stop them."

And if stopping them means synthesis, then why the hell not? Control and Destroy are two equally valid options. 

I really have to wonder what kind of mentality would see giant metal killbots and think "You know what would be a good idea? Merging our bodies with them!".

Which is not what synthesis is. Sorry, TAO, but your intellectually dishonest arguments fall short.

[Mythx88]

saracen16 wrote...

And if stopping them means synthesis, then why the hell not? Control and Destroy are two equally valid options. 

Because everything about Synthesis is pretty stupid no matter which way you look at it?

Space magic aside even.

[Ticonderoga117]

Rubios wrote...
Actually the cycle is the problem, not the Reapers.

The Catalyst artificially created the cycle. The Reapers are his toys in carrying it out.

Thus, the Reapers and GlowBoy are the problem.

[saracen16]

Mythx88 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And if stopping them means synthesis, then why the hell not? Control and Destroy are two equally valid options. 

Because everything about Synthesis is pretty stupid no matter which way you look at it?

Space magic aside even.

Says you. Synthesis is a cut above the other endings, imo. In fact, the only stupid option I see is refusing the Crucible: refusing the very weapon that countless cycles designed to stop the Reapers for good, instead choosing to reaperize every single civilization out there from the turians to the salarians to the asari to YOUR OWN SPECIES. You betrayed the galaxy and did EXACTLY what the Reapers want: their basic program to harvest all advanced life and preserve it from the dangers of organic-synthetic conflict.

[saracen16]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Rubios wrote...
Actually the cycle is the problem, not the Reapers.

The Catalyst artificially created the cycle. The Reapers are his toys in carrying it out.

Thus, the Reapers and GlowBoy are the problem.

Okay, so you're saying that people with bad ideas are heathens who should perish.

[Ticonderoga117]

saracen16 wrote...
Okay, so you're saying that people with bad ideas are heathens who should perish.

When those same people kill untold trillions over a maybe... yeah, at a minimum.

[the red boon]

I prefer TIMs vision from when he came into the game and always enjoyed cerberus goals and motivation to do what ever it takes for advancement. Oh this knowledge is bad well the russians and the americans wouldn't have got to space without using "bad" knowledge.

[Mythx88]

saracen16 wrote...

Mythx88 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And if stopping them means synthesis, then why the hell not? Control and Destroy are two equally valid options. 

Because everything about Synthesis is pretty stupid no matter which way you look at it?

Space magic aside even.

Says you. Synthesis is a cut above the other endings, imo. In fact, the only stupid option I see is refusing the Crucible: refusing the very weapon that countless cycles designed to stop the Reapers for good, instead choosing to reaperize every single civilization out there from the turians to the salarians to the asari to YOUR OWN SPECIES. You betrayed the galaxy and did EXACTLY what the Reapers want: their basic program to harvest all advanced life and preserve it from the dangers of organic-synthetic conflict.

As much fun as a gumdrops n' rainbows ending that involves smoking weed with hippy reapers might be, it's completely implausable, and the way to achieve this result makes no sense whatsoever.

But as I said, Space magic aside it is still a pretty rediculous concept. 

First off, it doesn't make sense that this "new DNA" can even be possible. You can't just merge synthetic parts and organic's DNA to make some new Synthesis-esque DNA. Genetics doesn't work like that. 

Second, what kind of a solution is this? Turning the whole galaxy into an abomination? Reintegrate all the husks / banshees / cannibals / reapers / etc into the new society? Not to mention the reapers themselves which are comprised of liquified organics. So now all organic life has some synthetic parts to them, and a synthetic race like the geth have fleshy parts to them?

So now your toaster bleeds all over the bread its toasting. Great. Computers now run on the same food organics eat too? Or hell no one needs to eat anymore, they just have built in solar panals or run on element zero.

I sure hope Batman doesn't choose to merge with Bane, Joker, or a dead Two-face to bring peace to Gotham City in the new Batman movie coming out soon, because that would just be completely ****g stupid.

Almost as stupid as Synthesis even being a possible option for how to end the reaper threat. 

And yes, I understand it is your opinion but as a Renegade Shep,"my opinion is the one that matters." And IMO Synthesis ( and everything about it, from how it is achieved to its result ) is completely retarded.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Star Brat: *waves hand* You want to spread your hot essence on everything in the galaxy.

Shepard: I want to spread my hot essence on everything in the galaxy. *runs into beam*

Star Brat: Idiot.

[Ticonderoga117]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Star Brat: *waves hand* You want to spread your hot essence on everything in the galaxy.

Shepard: I want to spread my hot essence on everything in the galaxy. *runs into beam*

Star Brat: Idiot.

Hahahahaha!

Also:

GlowBoy: "Would you kindly run into this beam of wierd energy."
Shepard: "..."
*Shepard runs into the beam*

[aj2070]

The Angry One wrote...

Heeden wrote...

It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.

Understanding one's enemies is all well and good if they're not trying to EXTERMINATE you.
Nor would any organic be in a position to assume this would be a good thing for them, since the Reapers are already performing a form of synthesis on their victims.

Looks like I picked a great time to finish the EC.  With the star brat's words still ringing in my ears, I agree that syntheis is still playing into thr reaper's hands.

[MegaSovereign]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Save of condemn Versus Omnibus?

If blurring the line between organics and synthetics saves trillions of lives from being condemned to a fate of being melted down to paste, injected into machincal monstroucity and forced to do the samething to others in the far future, then you bet your ass I would chose that.

I chose synthesis because I refuse to betray EDI, my friend, and the Geth. I chose synthesis because I refuse to create another Catalyst. I chose synthesis because I refuse to let trillions die just to keep my pride.

I chose synthesis to save lives.

TIM is facepalming so hard that it hurts.

You know you can pick control and save the exact same amount of lives, right?

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:12 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Save of condemn Versus Omnibus?

If blurring the line between organics and synthetics saves trillions of lives from being condemned to a fate of being melted down to paste, injected into machincal monstroucity and forced to do the samething to others in the far future, then you bet your ass I would chose that.

I chose synthesis because I refuse to betray EDI, my friend, and the Geth. I chose synthesis because I refuse to create another Catalyst. I chose synthesis because I refuse to let trillions die just to keep my pride.

I chose synthesis to save lives.

TIM is facepalming so hard that it hurts.

You know you can pick control and save the exact same amount of lives, right?

It even avoids the galactic scale rape.

Destroy and Control are really the only options.

[RenegonSQ]

wantedman dan wrote...

"The weaknesses of neither, the strengths of both." -- Saren, an indoctrinated tool of the Reapers.

It's been what they've wanted since the beginning. But, since you get rainbows, unicorns, and smiling puppy-dogs, it's obviously the best. /sarcasm

This thread should've been closed after this post.

[MegaSovereign]

And why would I want organics and synthetics to be synthesized.

I ****ing love the Geth the way they are. The Geth's differing perspective on the purpose of life was refreshing. Legion was one of my favorite characters in ME2 because of all those conversations about the future of synthetic/organic life.

[B.Shep]

RenegonSQ wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

"The weaknesses of neither, the strengths of both." -- Saren, an indoctrinated tool of the Reapers.

It's been what they've wanted since the beginning. But, since you get rainbows, unicorns, and smiling puppy-dogs, it's obviously the best. /sarcasm

This thread should've been closed after this post.

Nice quote, it pretty much resume what is Synthesis.

[KotorEffect3]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Save of condemn Versus Omnibus?

If blurring the line between organics and synthetics saves trillions of lives from being condemned to a fate of being melted down to paste, injected into machincal monstroucity and forced to do the samething to others in the far future, then you bet your ass I would chose that.

I chose synthesis because I refuse to betray EDI, my friend, and the Geth. I chose synthesis because I refuse to create another Catalyst. I chose synthesis because I refuse to let trillions die just to keep my pride.

I chose synthesis to save lives.

TIM is facepalming so hard that it hurts.

You know you can pick control and save the exact same amount of lives, right?

It depends on whether or not you subscribe to the notion that power corrupts and well being in charge of the reapers is the ultimate power in the galaxy.  So power can corrupt ultimately.  Not bashing control but that is what would keep some people from picking control.

[Ticonderoga117]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
It depends on whether or not you subscribe to the notion that power corrupts and well being in charge of the reapers is the ultimate power in the galaxy.  So power can corrupt ultimately.  Not bashing control but that is what would keep some people from picking control.

Not too mention it's not exactly Shepard doing the controlling, just another AI. Oh wait, here we go again.
Can't we just give Shepard a joystick or something?

[AnsinJung]

Synthesis is not the strengths of both, it's the weakness of uniformity.

People aren't born perfect singers, they earn it, which is infinitely more gratifying, both for them and their listeners. When you see the joy in that singer's face, because they know they nailed it, you experience a part of that.

Other people will have other talents, and the result is people drawn to each other, embracing differences. The sameness of Synthesis will not create this frail but beautiful interdependence, just a bunch of people going about business like the Keepers.

[KotorEffect3]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
It depends on whether or not you subscribe to the notion that power corrupts and well being in charge of the reapers is the ultimate power in the galaxy.  So power can corrupt ultimately.  Not bashing control but that is what would keep some people from picking control.

Not too mention it's not exactly Shepard doing the controlling, just another AI. Oh wait, here we go again.
Can't we just give Shepard a joystick or something?

I think it is Shepard just a radically changed Shepard that is doing the controlling.  I know he gives that spiel about how through his death he was created but I think that is just crazy talk.  Of the big three, control is probably the one ending I have the most reservations about.   

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:58 .

[Ticonderoga117]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
I think it is Shepard just a radically changed Shepard that is doing the controlling.  I know he gives that spiel about how through his death he was created but I think that is just crazy talk.

Heh, fan-tastic. Five minutes in and Shepard is already going nuts.

Yeah, that's going to end well.