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#851
KotorEffect3

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

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I think it is Shepard just a radically changed Shepard that is doing the controlling.  I know he gives that spiel about how through his death he was created but I think that is just crazy talk.


Heh, fan-tastic. Five minutes in and Shepard is already going nuts.

Yeah, that's going to end well. :pinched:



Which is why I have my reservations about control.

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Yeah... It makes you wonder how long it will be before Shep-IA decides the Catalist was right about how to protect organic life O_o

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the reapers want to do what they are told.

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Heeden wrote...

It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.

99% of the time, that would be a good thing...
However, it does not apply here...
At all...

Trying to understand the reapers ends with them rewiring your brain, sticking a bunch of tech in you and using you to assist in their giant reaper slushie machine...

The Reapers are manipulative sociopathic zealots...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:08 .


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the people that created the reapers were trying to achieve synthesis.............
cycles ago..
we are lucky
synthesis = the win

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:09 .


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B.Shep wrote...

Yeah... It makes you wonder how long it will be before Shep-IA decides the Catalist was right about how to protect organic life O_o



Yeah I give it a few centuries before he is one bad day away from starting up the cycle again.  Not to mention in the epilogue it is the reapers patrolling the space around the citadel.  Remember in ME 1 when that woman was talking to the volus about the DA and we looked out and we saw the DA patrolling that area?  Well imagination trying to have lunch on the citadel and to look to see Harbinger staring right at you.

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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

the people that created the reapers were trying to achieve synthesis.............
cycles ago..
we are lucky
synthesis = the win


Synthesis is a lotus eater machine...
Enjoy being Reaper slurry...

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"Synthesis is what the Reapers want"

And that's bad, because..? The Reapers, or more correctly, the Catalyst, "wants" what it was created to do; to solve the organic vs synthetic problem. Synthesis does that, therefore it's the Catalyst's preferred choice. And I've yet to see a valid reason as to why that makes it bad that isn't based on headcanon.

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It's a problem that does not exist.

Regardless of that, Jacksums, do me a favour and READ the OP. I can see why you see no "valid" reasons agains synthesis if all you do is skim content.
This topic is not "synthesis is what the Reapers want, therefore it's bad"
This topic is "synthesis is what the Reapers want, so why would people fighting the Reapers design a device to help them achieve their goal?"

Modifié par The Angry One, 06 juillet 2012 - 07:34 .


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Heeden wrote...

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Understanding one's enemies is all well and good if they're not trying to EXTERMINATE you.
Nor would any organic be in a position to assume this would be a good thing for them, since the Reapers are already performing a form of synthesis on their victims.


The whole point of understanding your enemies is to find ways to stop them trying to exterminate you. Killing everyone first then trying to figure them out seems wasteful at the least, despicable at most.

I like the way you assume that trillions upon trillions of organics across millions (billions?) of years never thought that a peaceful compromise was the best way forward.


You're right, im sure somewhere in those trillions of people at least a few of them thought 'lets try to make peace'. Unfortunately, we can assume that all attempts to do so failed because they're all dead.

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Heeden wrote...

It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.


If only the leaders of the allies in WW2 had tried to understand the axis powers, we could of had peace and harmony. The fools !

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Avarenda wrote...

Heeden wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Understanding one's enemies is all well and good if they're not trying to EXTERMINATE you.
Nor would any organic be in a position to assume this would be a good thing for them, since the Reapers are already performing a form of synthesis on their victims.


The whole point of understanding your enemies is to find ways to stop them trying to exterminate you. Killing everyone first then trying to figure them out seems wasteful at the least, despicable at most.

I like the way you assume that trillions upon trillions of organics across millions (billions?) of years never thought that a peaceful compromise was the best way forward.


You're right, im sure somewhere in those trillions of people at least a few of them thought 'lets try to make peace'. Unfortunately, we can assume that all attempts to do so failed because they're all dead.


Exactly. People seem to miss this very obvious point. The Reapers do not want death. We're nothing but material to them. You don't come to an understanding with that.
RGB is bad for a number of reasons, but at it's core it represents the only options available with dealing with an entity like the Reapers.

Destroy - Kill
Control - Dominate them
Synthesis - Let them dominate you

Synthesis is not peace and understanding, it is submission, and any organic OR synthetic building the Crucible  would see it as such.

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Heeden wrote...

It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.


Too bad the Reapers weren't very understanding when they wiped out countless cycles.Image IPB

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Elite Midget wrote...

Heeden wrote...

It may seem strange to you, but some people really do think trying to understand our enemies is a better path to peace than simply wiping them out.


Too bad the Reapers weren't very understanding when they wiped out countless cycles.Image IPB


See this is what irritates me about the "hug the Reapers" crowd.
"Understanding" with Reapers is one-sided. We do all the work, they get all the benefits.

If the series had portrayed elements of sympathetic or just reasonable Reapers, I would get this. But it doesn't.
Even Star Trek, a series built on peace and understanding with all beings recognised that you can't come to a mutual agreement with an implaccable enemy.

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The Angry One wrote...

It's a problem that does not exist.

Opinion.

The Angry One wrote...
Regardless of that, Jacksums, do me a favour and READ the OP. I can see why you see no "valid" reasons agains synthesis if all you do is skim content.
This topic is not "synthesis is what the Reapers want, therefore it's bad"
This topic is "synthesis is what the Reapers want, so why would people fighting the Reapers design a device to help them achieve their goal?"

I read the OP, and what you stated above implies that their goal is "bad" or "evil". That's false, and I've yet to see any evidence of it being as such. Therefore why is "helping them achieve their goal" bad, when their goal is not bad?

If you cannot answer that question without speculation/headcanon, your thread is invalid.

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The Angry One wrote...

See this is what irritates me about the "hug the Reapers" crowd.
"Understanding" with Reapers is one-sided. We do all the work, they get all the benefits.



The Synthesis ending pretty much shows the exact opposite. 

Your talk of docility and submission is merely an interpretation based on.... Anger ;)

Perhaps immediate coexistence might seem unrealistic, but then again, how long can
animosity last? Eventually we'd all come to accept those big robot squids, who no longer fire at us
and spend all day rebuilding our homes.

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JackumsD wrote...
Opinion.


Fact. None of the games ever showed such a problem exists, not to the extent the Catalyst claims.
Multiple events contradict it.

I read the OP, and what you stated above implies that their goal is "bad" or "evil". That's false, and I've yet to see any evidence of it being as such. Therefore why is "helping them achieve their goal" bad, when their goal is not bad?

If you cannot answer that question without speculation/headcanon, your thread is invalid.



a)  It's bad because it's forced. It's bad because it's unecesarry. It's bad because the Reapers have always promoted their form as superior, and that they know best. Synthesis reinforces this.
B) Again, this is what the PEOPLE DESIGNING THE CRUCIBLE would think.

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Rhayak wrote...


The Synthesis ending pretty much shows the exact opposite. 

Your talk of docility and submission is merely an interpretation based on.... Anger ;)


The synthesis ending shows that all life is remade to suit the Reaper ideal. We change to suit them.
Again, them helping rebuild proves nothing. The Reapers built the Citadel in the first place, they are clearly not above constructing infrastructure for those they consider beneath them.

Perhaps immediate coexistence might seem unrealistic, but then again, how long can
animosity last? Eventually we'd all come to accept those big robot squids, who no longer fire at us
and spend all day rebuilding our homes.


In a long time? Maybe. Immediately? No.

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how long have you been trolling synthesis posts, TAO???
months?

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And as for those trillions they killed before, over millenia, well hey, we didn't know any of them, right?

Good ol' Bob the Friendly Reaper rebuilding my house, he's a real stand-up kind of giant harvester robot and I won't have a bad word said against him. Now give me a hug, squid boy, and let's go and do something peaceful.

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all those people died so that organics could achieve synthesis, damon..
smile, they didnt die for nothing.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .


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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

all those people died so that organics could achieve synthesis, damon..
smile, they didnt die for nothing.


I would love for the game to actually be real just so I could see you tell Javik that to his face. :whistle:

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javiks people wanted synthesis too, but they tried to do it with an iron fist. Inevitably, they enslaved every other race so they were unworthy, thus destroyed.. humans were NOT, the starchild told us this.
the protheans dont deserve synthesis.
 they were not ready.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 juillet 2012 - 09:11 .


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The Angry One wrote...

Fact. 


http://www.memecreator.net/creepy-wonka/showimage.php/47684/you-keep-using-that-word-i-don't-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means.jpg

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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

javiks people wanted synthesis too, but they tried to do it with an iron fist. Inevitably, they enslaved every other race so they were unworthy, thus destroyed.. humans were NOT, the starchild told us this.
the protheans dont deserve synthesis.
 they were not ready.


Lol, and what do you think synthesis is if not something imposed with an iron fist, no choice, no consent.

Also, remember how Javik argued that homogenity was a failure of the empire? Even if it was analagous to synthesis you just proved why Javik wouldn't want it.

Also... seriously? They were not ready? SERIOUSLY? There's no point in talking about this with you.