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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Rhayak wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

"We are your genetic destiny."

That's just what Harbinger repeated as a void attempt to imtimidate Shepard. It does not reflect what destiny actually is.
The very Refusal ending proves that, as the Galaxy ultimately gets rid of Reapers.

Synthesis is not total capitulation. Letting the Reapers win is.
If anything, Synthesis is the best compromise. A peace condition that satisfies everyone.

Xcept those who hate green O_O

Red explosions are much prettier than green explosions.

[Baronesa]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

There is only one ending where the reapers are no longer a threat and that is destory. That should end it there. I don't think you people realize the corrupting influence of the reapers. Didn't you guys play Mass Effect 1 and 2? The problem with control and synthesis is that the reapers continue to figuratively breathe and while they are still running they are a threat. You have absolutely no idea what synthesis is like or control what you do know is what life would be like without giant 100 ft metal cuttlefish raining death from above. If that means the sacrifice of the geth and edi so be it they can be rebuilt organics can't.

ever heard the saying  guns dont shoot people, people do??
 well the reapers are the gun.

they dont think for themselves.
 they strived for an ideal that can be surmised as the only way for organic life to continue existence.
the had a role and synthesis fulfills it.

By your assertion then Reapers are not AI... they are merely VI... hence they could not be alive... that goes against all that is shown in game.

Reapers are AI, they are sentient... hence they are responsible for their actions... MASS GENOCIDE  for EONS

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nyoka wrote...

Agreed. The united consensus of the galaxy will now probably build Reaper-like starships and inflict cycles of extinction on other galaxies. But it is for their own good, mind, so it's ok.

Bringing synthesis to EVERYONE!

Whether they want it or not.

Especially if they don't want it.

[The Angry One]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Agreed. The united consensus of the galaxy will now probably build Reaper-like starships and inflict cycles of extinction on other galaxies. But it is for their own good, mind, so it's ok.

Bringing synthesis to EVERYONE!

Whether they want it or not.

Especially if they don't want it.

Order from chaos.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

explaining stuff to die-hard pro-destroyers...is pointless..."Hardest thing to open is a closed mind"...Angry doesnt want a debate but more "yes men" to confirm her confirmation bias....

Is wanting the reapers dead really such a terrible thing?

considering there are better options than total destruction (very much a renegade option)....yes

Becoming a God is an arrogant choice that leaves the galaxy open to your whim.
Synthesis is total capitulation.
I do not support destroy, as it murders our allies for no good reason, but at least it does what were were meant to do for 3 games - rid the galaxy of the Reaper abominations forever.

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i will always make peace and merge with them, because that is what the other cycles died for.

*glances at join date*

Stop trying to flame-bait.

 you float from post to post, obviously all day long, for what appears to be weeks, trolling and insulting EVERY opinion that isnt yours. stop being such an aggressive jerkoff and consider other people have opinions.
i didnt contest his post, i said what i thought in roughly the same manner... im not baiting anyone. i like the synthesis ending and i agree with it. you dont. thats obvious.

Synthesis is a stupid option. It either doesn't solve the problem or makes it worse. People claim that your personality will not chnage when you become synthesized. Bull****, in the next scenes you see humans and aliens working together with the very beings that killed their friends and family members and turned them into monstrocities that you would only see in your nightmares. Would you want a serial killer who wore your brother's face as a mask into your city? No you would tell them to leave and never return if you couldn't kill them. Therefore we must assume that synthesis changes people in a dramatic way. And even if synthesis gives us peace with the reapers it will not stop reapings. Organic life unaffected by the synthesis wave will eventually grow again, it may take millions of years but it will happen. That organic life will eventually develop synthetics again. What do we do with that life? Do we leave it alone or do we indouce synthesis on them as well aka reap them? Synthesis is a horror no matter how you put it and control leaves you with an unstoppable immortal god emperor and we all know how that always ends up SPOILERS not very good. The only option is destroy, I would pick it even if it sacrificed all life in the galaxy at least that way the next generation of life will be free of the reapers.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Angry One wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Agreed. The united consensus of the galaxy will now probably build Reaper-like starships and inflict cycles of extinction on other galaxies. But it is for their own good, mind, so it's ok.

Bringing synthesis to EVERYONE!

Whether they want it or not.

Especially if they don't want it.

Order from chaos.

They exist because we allow it, and they shall end because we DEMAND it.

[Rhayak]

Chaos does not exist, by the way.

At some point, it repeats itself, and thus becomes order.

There is only order in the universe.

[TakedaMauro]

JackumsD wrote...

I'm appealing to logic; something your argument lacks.

JackumsD wrote....

...but our logic is nothing more than a result of our own perception.

So, you are appealing to your own perception to refute the perception of another person, then, why bring logic to the discussion?

Modifié par TakedaMauro, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[darkpassenger2342]

Nyoka wrote...

There's not point making synthesis only in this galaxy if next door murderous synthetics are being built. And since synthesis is the final evolution of everything, why not? They will probably thank the Reapers afterwards. I know some did.

 who is building them if every being is networked??  the evil robots? there arent any. the evil organics? there arent any.

[The Angry One]

Rhayak wrote...

That's just what Harbinger repeated as a void attempt to imtimidate Shepard. It does not reflect what destiny actually is.
The very Refusal ending proves that, as the Galaxy ultimately gets rid of Reapers.

Synthesis is not total capitulation. Letting the Reapers win is.
If anything, Synthesis is the best compromise. A peace condition that satisfies everyone, Reapers included.

Xcept those who hate green O_O

Reject is not letting the Reapers win, it's standing up and saying we'll fight them to the end.
That they do win is irrelevant to the fact that we tried to stop them.

Synthesis is not a compromise. The Reapers gain everything they want, and we are remade to suit them.
The benefits of synthesis are things we could achieve on our own terms, by choice. By being forced on everyone, that in itself becomes meaningless.

Forced unity isn't.

(i have a side question: do you think Rorschac in The Watchmen movie would have done the right thing by revealing Ozymandias' design?)

Yes, it would've been the right thing. Nobody has the right to sacrifice people because they think their way is best in that manner.
Peace by faking a common enemy will be a temporary, false peace at best.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So...there are really people who don't think the Reapers are bad...?


I...don't think I can process that.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:14 .

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

There is only one ending where the reapers are no longer a threat and that is destory. That should end it there. I don't think you people realize the corrupting influence of the reapers. Didn't you guys play Mass Effect 1 and 2? The problem with control and synthesis is that the reapers continue to figuratively breathe and while they are still running they are a threat. You have absolutely no idea what synthesis is like or control what you do know is what life would be like without giant 100 ft metal cuttlefish raining death from above. If that means the sacrifice of the geth and edi so be it they can be rebuilt organics can't.

ever heard the saying  guns dont shoot people, people do??
 well the reapers are the gun.

they dont think for themselves.
 they strived for an ideal that can be surmised as the only way for organic life to continue existence.
the had a role and synthesis fulfills it.
destroying the reapers would only reset the process.. and leave organics to restart the cycle and end themselves.

I don't see synthetic life as antithetical to organic life, for one thing the needs of the former are completely different to the requirement of the latter therefore there would be no conflict between the two. The reapers are wrong to think that synthetic life will always kill organics and the geth and edi ****ing proof of that.

[The Angry One]

Rhayak wrote...

Chaos does not exist, by the way.

At some point, it repeats itself, and thus becomes order.

There is only order in the universe.

Tell that to Spaceboy.

[darkpassenger2342]

@HOYD
the reapers dont think that lol.... the people ( by people, i do not mean humans, i mean whoever created the reapers) who designed the reapers, the crucible plans, the catalyst, and the cycle itself programmed them.......
why do you guys think they have minds like organics? because they talk?
yes sovereign was capable of reasoning, but only because you were speaking through the catalyst, who admittedly controls the reapers as one.
the reapers are nothing more than a computer program.
they are not 'living" beings.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nyoka wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

So...there are really people who don't think the Reapers are bad...?

I...don't think I can process that.

Come on. You were here the days of ME2 during the reign of terror of the Cerberus apologists.

Evil organization that's all about advancing a particular species is something I can understand. I don't agree with it but I can understand it.

Evil giant squid deathbots that routinely genocide every intelligent species because reasons...That's pretty obviously evil.

[Baronesa]

Nyoka wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

So...there are really people who don't think the Reapers are bad...?

I...don't think I can process that.

Come on. You were here the days of ME2 during the reign of terror of the Cerberus apologists.

...

I'm so glad back then I just went to consult about glitches... that... that would have killed me

[The Angry One]

Nyoka wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

So...there are really people who don't think the Reapers are bad...?

I...don't think I can process that.

Come on. You were here the days of ME2 during the reign of terror of the Cerberus apologists.

lol yeah. But at least Cerberus had SOME ambiguity.
I mean, mainly they were a bunch of arrogant terrorists. But they had at least some ultra-renegade vibe about them that at least they were trying to promote humanity's interest and fight the Reapers in their own way (before ME3 made them the evil empire).

Reapers? They're either unrepentant genocidal maniacs or mindless VIs. Either way, they're better off dead.

[string3r]

GOD DANM ABOMINATION

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@HOYD
he reapers dont think that lol.... the people ( by people, i do not mean humans, i mean whoever created the reapers) who designed the reapers, the crucible plans, the catalyst, and the cycle itself programmed them.......
why do you guys think they have minds like organics? because they talk?
yes sovereign was capable of reasoning, but only beacause you were speaking through the catalyst, who admittedly controls the reapers as one.
the reapers are nothing more than a computer program.
they are not 'living" beings.

Then there isn't really anything lost by killing them is there?

*Aside from the geth and EDI and those are sacrifices I'm willing to make*

[Baronesa]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@HOYD
the reapers dont think that lol.... the people ( by people, i do not mean humans, i mean whoever created the reapers) who designed the reapers, the crucible plans, the catalyst, and the cycle itself programmed them.......
why do you guys think they have minds like organics? because they talk?
yes sovereign was capable of reasoning, but only because you were speaking through the catalyst, who admittedly controls the reapers as one.
the reapers are nothing more than a computer program.
they are not 'living" beings.

...

So you are simply ignoring in game lore now.

This will lead nowhere.

[darkpassenger2342]

so you are saying that starchild was lying when he said he controls the reapers????
you say you argue the lore but you will contest anything in the ending as a lie.
its absurd. yes i forgot the  scene where the reapers explained to me they were alive, and even if they said it they were lying because starchild controls them.
sorry i must have missed the BLEEDING REAPERS on my 4 playthroughs of the first 2 games.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:21 .