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[Grubas]

@To every one who made a comment on my post regarding Wing Commander being good. 

Freddy Prinz Junior as lead actor? Reused MIG as interior? Cheap ass alien cat masks? One freaking medic for a whole carrier who never shows up when needed? 

I hate you guys. Now i have to rewatch the movie and see if iam wrong. 

Modifié par Grubas, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:28 .

[visionazzery]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Dusen wrote...

Urdnot_Bucdawg wrote...

 Just as long as it's NEVER announced , the film's director is ( brace yourselves ) ...Ewe Bohl < shudders >

He could team up with M. Night Shyamalan!

You and me have to fight now.

But seriously though a Mass Effect movie can work. 

Yeif they pick a a grade hollywoood difrector andcwriter looks like hollywood are aet to corrupt a franchise movie here biowRe sshould get smaller studios to do this with one mre trusted major atudio who has form like better writets than current5 ones doing sci fi drama

[Blueprotoss]

 

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Not at all. There is a huge difference between taking a risk in picking extremely talented unknowns (Avengers, anyone? The entire Marvel cinematic universe?) and picking B-rated directors who clearly have a ...suboptimal track record. One is an unknown (A talented unknown). One has an established precedent for performing below par.

So I see that you're now jumping from A list cast crew in the Avengers to a mostly C or D list cast and crew in LotR, which means your example aren't consistant.. 

Grubas wrote...

Did you watch Avatar or Titanic? Nonames before that, hyped superstars after it.
There is a point in not putting Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt into every Blockbuster.

This is very true and there comes a time to start with new people.  Heck I loathe everything Twilight while everyne involved with that movie series were no names and became superstars.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:29 .

[ld1449]

JayPlays wrote...

Really hope the Mass Effect movie doesn't let the franchise down!

Can't do any worse than the game itself did.

[ld1449]

Rubios wrote...

Still hoping they cancel it.

After the ending fiasco they might just.

[SavagelyEpic]

Blueprotoss wrote...

 

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Not at all. There is a huge difference between taking a risk in picking extremely talented unknowns (Avengers, anyone? The entire Marvel cinematic universe?) and picking B-rated directors who clearly have a ...suboptimal track record. One is an unknown (A talented unknown). One has an established precedent for performing below par.

So I see that you're now jumping from A list cast crew in the Avengers to a mostly C or D list cast and crew in LotR, which means your example aren't consistant.. 

Grubas wrote...

Did you watch Avatar or Titanic? Nonames before that, hyped superstars after it.
There is a point in not putting Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt into every Blockbuster.

This is very true and there comes a time to start with new people.  Heck I loathe everything Twilight while everyne involved with that movie series were no names and became superstars.

Hardly. The directors are of the same calibre. Don't strawman my arguement here. And aside from Scarlett Johanssen and Samuel Jackson, a great deal of the Avengers cast weren't exactly known before Marvel brought them on board. If you're going to accuse me of inconsistency, at least know what your'e talking about.

[Blueprotoss]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Hardly. The directors are of the same calibre. Don't strawman my arguement here. And aside from Scarlett Johanssen and Samuel Jackson, a great deal of the Avengers cast weren't exactly known before Marvel brought them on board. If you're going to accuse me of inconsistency, at least know what your'e talking about.

Yet you're still bumping out those straw-menn especailly when you comparing LotR and Avengers.  The inconsistency is you keep on changing the example to suit your needs, which they're damaging you more then helping you.  A good comparison to LotR would be District 9 based on how both have a cast and crew mostly filled with no names.  A good comparison to the Avengers would be the Expandables based on how all the all or most of the cast and crew are known.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 06 juillet 2012 - 07:55 .

[SavagelyEpic]

Blueprotoss wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Hardly. The directors are of the same calibre. Don't strawman my arguement here. And aside from Scarlett Johanssen and Samuel Jackson, a great deal of the Avengers cast weren't exactly known before Marvel brought them on board. If you're going to accuse me of inconsistency, at least know what your'e talking about.

Yet you're still bumping out those straw-menn especailly when you comparing LotR and Avengers.  The inconsistency is you keep on changing the example to suit your needs, which they're damaging you more then helping you.  A good comparison to LotR would be District 9 based on how both have a cast and crew mostly filled with no names.  A good comparison to the Avengers would be the Expandables based on how all the all or most of the cast and crew are known.

There is no inconsistency here. First off, I'm talking about the crew, not the cast. The crew for all of the Marvel movies were, up till now, unknowns. Secondly, aside from Johannson and Jackson, most of the Avengers cast are at the same level of the LotR cast. District 9 is incomparable to LotR by any measure.

Just what are you ranting on about?

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 06 juillet 2012 - 08:05 .

[Blueprotoss]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

There is no inconsistency here. First off, I'm talking about the crew, not the cast. The crew for all of the Marvel movies were, up till now, unknowns. Secondly, aside from Johannson and Jackson, most of the Avengers cast are at the same level of the LotR cast. District 9 is incomparable to LotR by any measure.

Just what are you ranting on about?

You are inconsistant especially when you compare a well experienced cast/crew of the Avengers then you compare to the mostly no name cast/crew of LotR.   It seems like you didn't get the District 9 example based on how both LotR and it started with a mostly no name cast and crew.

I'm here to have a discussion while you're doing the ranting.

[nikola8]

Is anyone here actually expecting the ME movie to be good? The whole point of the ME trilogy is choice and accountability and shaping your Shepard. Making a movie will simply highlight A Shepard, not THE Shepard that I know. I'll probably see the movie, but I hold zero hope of it turning out well.

[Grubas]

nikola8 wrote...

Is anyone here actually expecting the ME movie to be good? The whole point of the ME trilogy is choice and accountability and shaping your Shepard. Making a movie will simply highlight A Shepard, not THE Shepard that I know. I'll probably see the movie, but I hold zero hope of it turning out well.

The question is, is the ME plot movie material?
Because its one thing playing mass effect, and another watching someone else play.

[Demigod]

Blueprotoss wrote...
This is a straw-mann that I'm surprised people are still using based on how Casey didn't join the ME3 until the end of the developement/production cycles and how Mac is thrown under the bus from a small uproar.  I'm sure a lot of people would rather hear some constructive criticism instead petty insults and its time to leave the dead horse alone.

Sorry you confused me here, Casey didnt join me3 at the end he was one of the people to come up with the concept for mass effect. He, and Mac as lead writer, did fail in my opinion with the ending both in story telling norms and in meeting fan expectaions so people have every right to critisize. I'll agree we can do away with the petty insults but blaming Casey etal is not a strawman as they arent misreprsenting his position. - at least we got a better endings even if they arnt great.

As for Casey and Mac "not doing it" well Casey is as one of the producers so he will have quite a bit of "say" in what happens. I just hope he has some time away before it gose forward. I personaly think part of the problem with ME3 was the team was just to close to the project at the end, they couldnt see the flaws that were readily decernable to the fans.

[JayPlays]

ld1449 wrote...

Rubios wrote...

Still hoping they cancel it.

After the ending fiasco they might just.

I can only hope!

[AlienSpaceBats]

Huh, he wrote Impostor. I'm quite fond of that film ... or maybe my memories are muddled up with the PKD short story that it's based on.

[mcgreggers99]

Grubas wrote...

nikola8 wrote...

Is anyone here actually expecting the ME movie to be good? The whole point of the ME trilogy is choice and accountability and shaping your Shepard. Making a movie will simply highlight A Shepard, not THE Shepard that I know. I'll probably see the movie, but I hold zero hope of it turning out well.

The question is, is the ME plot movie material?
Because its one thing playing mass effect, and another watching someone else play.

My first experience with ME was watching someone play....andI fell in love with the universe rather quickly.

Just my 2 cents.

[mcgreggers99]

Here's an interview with Avi Arad, the movies producer posted a couple days ago. The guy has gone from a toy inventor to one of the biggest heavyweights in Hollywood.

http://www.craveonli...zing-spider-man

Here's the chunk:


"You have Uncharted and Mass Effect too. Will you be able to do for video games what you’ve for comic books movies?
 
Avi Arad: I think I’m about to prove this one too. It
all takes time as you know. Studios are still skeptical as you know on
video games, but I actually think Uncharted will be a big hit. Mass Effect is a tour de force. The game is a movie. I think it will work.
 
But you saw something in comic books that no one else did. What are they missing about video games?
Avi Arad: They cannot viscerally replace the first person. In the game, if you’re playing Nate in Uncharted,
the reason a lot of these video games can be a big movie, it’s a plain
simple idea in which they actually did define the character. There are
games that the character is you because you are playing. He was a real
character already. Mass Effect, all the characters are
fascinating and the philosophy of the game is fascinating.
Philosophically it’s really interesting. If you look at Metal Gear Solid, it’s like Cain and Abel. It’s a bible story. It takes the studios a little time.
Matt Tolmach: Hey now, hey now. Careful.
Avi Arad: What?
Matt Tolmach: Careful, you know. Someone at the studio bought Uncharted for you. Who was that?
Avi Arad: The elevator, it’s true. We were walking and he said, “I’ll take it.” 


Here's another interview with Arad conducted almost a year ago, and he talks about Mass Effect and other video game adaptations. Interesting read:

http://movieline.com...s-effect-movie/

Here's a chunk:

"What's next immediately for you?

One of the things that I'm doing, that I started two years ago, is what I did with comic books to film but with video games to film.

Including the Mass Effect film, which I saw presented at Comic-Con.

Mass Effect is one, Uncharted is another, inFamous...

Video games seem to have more of an uphill battle when it comes to being adapted to film, in that historically they haven't performed very well.

Because they haven't been done right!

Why do you think that is?

There were comic-book movies made before Batman 1 and 2. You had Dick Donner with Superman, and then it went away. Because in the meanwhile, someone made some ****ty movies and it ended up killing it. So until now, the video game-to-film business didn't work. There were a couple of them that I was hoping for, but it takes one to break. Today, games are quite cinematic, and they're about something. It's fun, a first person shooter, but if you can find something about the story that is entertaining -- like, Uncharted is just pure entertainment -- and you figure out the way to make it in a different way, I think it's going to be a big hit. Mass Effect is one of the greatest [games]; again, there is a philosophical issue around it -- what brought us here? Is there a God? There are a lot of interesting questions about Mass Effect, and I think moviegoers are ready to get a little serious. It's OK, especially when the fun is still there.

Do you have directors you've already been talking to?

We don't want to do that because we are days away from a script, and the way to get a director is to give them something to read. Otherwise, you cannot interview them -- it's not like, 'Hey, what ice cream do you like?' [Laughs] They have to read it and give us a vision."

Modifié par mcgreggers99, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:36 .

[Blueprotoss]

Demigod wrote...

Sorry you confused me here, Casey didnt join me3 at the end he was one of the people to come up with the concept for mass effect. He, and Mac as lead writer, did fail in my opinion with the ending both in story telling norms and in meeting fan expectaions so people have every right to critisize. I'll agree we can do away with the petty insults but blaming Casey etal is not a strawman as they arent misreprsenting his position. - at least we got a better endings even if they arnt great.

Casey became the Lead Game Director late into ME3 and I already knew that Casey was involved with ME3 from the beginning.  The whol;e blame on Casey is overrated just like Chris Metzen in Starcraft 2 because we all know that there will always be a small group of people that didn't like something especially when it comes down to the story.  People are blaming Casey to create a scapoegoat based on how how those people would have been mad at the ending no matter what based on what choices they made in the series.  Its time to move on and to stop dwelling on the past.

Demigod wrote... 

As for Casey and Mac "not doing it" well Casey is as one of the producers so he will have quite a bit of "say" in what happens. I just hope he has some time away before it gose forward. I personaly think part of the problem with ME3 was the team was just to close to the project at the end, they couldnt see the flaws that were readily decernable to the fans.

Producers don't have that much of an input as you think especially when they usually do maintainace and keep the cash flow going.  People will always have their opinions and its petty to resort to persoanl nippicks as flaws even when nothing is perfect.

[XqctaX]

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Here's an interview with Avi Arad, the movies producer posted a couple days ago. The guy has gone from a toy inventor to one of the biggest heavyweights in Hollywood.
Mass Effect is one of the greatest [games]; again, there is a philosophical issue around it -- what brought us here? Is there a God? There are a lot of interesting questions about Mass Effect, and I think moviegoers are ready to get a little serious. It's OK, especially when the fun is still there.

i cut this out, becouse when i read that i was honestly thinking oh..noo.

"Is there a god"  seriously it makes me worried he will add  "spacemagic" to the movie in form of god.

religion isnt a theme of Mass effect. but it exist within it, in  form of people beeing religious.
but god does not exist within the game. nor is that a theme to be expanded on imho. thoughts?

well one could argue about the catalyst but thats kinda besides the point.. and not true. and. stop.  avoiding spoilers

[OrphanMakrBebop]

I was originally against the idea for a ME movie, considering that the game was focused on an individual's choices and how they shaped the story. However, once the BioWare gang made it abundantly clear that it was never the player's story at all, I can see how it could be made into a movie.
Regarding the OP reservations about the writer: Why would you expect the writer of a horrible movie to be better than the horrible writers of the game it is based on?

[Blueprotoss]

mcgreggers99 wrote...

Here's an interview with Avi Arad, the movies producer posted a couple days ago. The guy has gone from a toy inventor to one of the biggest heavyweights in Hollywood.

http://www.craveonli...zing-spider-man

http://movieline.com...s-effect-movie/

This sounds like a huge PR move to get the "fans" to hear what they want especially with this part.

mcgreggers99 wrote... 

"What's next immediately for you?

One of the things that I'm doing, that I started two years ago, is what I did with comic books to film but with video games to film.

Including the Mass Effect film, which I saw presented at Comic-Con.

Mass Effect is one, Uncharted is another, inFamous...

Video games seem to have more of an uphill battle when it comes to being adapted to film, in that historically they haven't performed very well.

Because they haven't been done right!

Why do you think that is?

There were comic-book movies made before Batman 1 and 2. You had Dick Donner with Superman, and then it went away. Because in the meanwhile, someone made some ****ty movies and it ended up killing it. So until now, the video game-to-film business didn't work. There were a couple of them that I was hoping for, but it takes one to break. Today, games are quite cinematic, and they're about something. It's fun, a first person shooter, but if you can find something about the story that is entertaining -- like, Uncharted is just pure entertainment -- and you figure out the way to make it in a different way, I think it's going to be a big hit. Mass Effect is one of the greatest [games]; again, there is a philosophical issue around it -- what brought us here? Is there a God? There are a lot of interesting questions about Mass Effect, and I think moviegoers are ready to get a little serious. It's OK, especially when the fun is still there.

Do you have directors you've already been talking to?

We don't want to do that because we are days away from a script, and the way to get a director is to give them something to read. Otherwise, you cannot interview them -- it's not like, 'Hey, what ice cream do you like?' [Laughs] They have to read it and give us a vision."

There are actually a lot of good game adaptions while they're purposely meant to have differences just like in comic book adaptions.  The irony here is that most of comic book movies are good like the video game movies, but there are still bad movie adaptions for both comic books and video games.

[mcgreggers99]

OrphanMakrBebop wrote...

I was originally against the idea for a ME movie, considering that the game was focused on an individual's choices and how they shaped the story. However, once the BioWare gang made it abundantly clear that it was never the player's story at all, I can see how it could be made into a movie.
Regarding the OP reservations about the writer: Why would you expect the writer of a horrible movie to be better than the horrible writers of the game it is based on?

It was really just an observation. There are a fair number of big hollywood players involved with this project, and the chosen screenwriter doesn't smack of the number one choice for this property. I hope I'm proven wrong though.

Avi Arad has made this a pet project along with Uncharted, and he seems hell bent on proving to the rest of Hollywood that there is an untapped goldmine of movies to be made from videogames if only they can do it the right way just like they did with comics.

No one has successfully cracked the puzzle of a videogame adaption yet in the sense of both critical and financial success. My suggestion is that this particular screenwriter hasn't really shown anything that would prove that he's the guy to crack this problem of adapting the source material.

As a side note, the initial adaptation of the Uncharted film has been completely trashed and thrown out to start all over again from scratch. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens for ME. We will have to wait and see.

Modifié par mcgreggers99, 06 juillet 2012 - 02:25 .

[BP93]

Armass81 wrote...

Dont hold your breath... this movie is going to fail.

Yeah.

Seriously, I have no desire to see this if it ever even comes to it. Name one successful movie that was based on a video game... can't think of any? Me neither. Max Payne, Hitman, and Resident Evil were all awful. Don't get me started on Max Payne...just ugh. <_<

[Blueprotoss]

BP93 wrote...

Yeah.

Seriously, I have no desire to see this if it ever even comes to it. Name one successful movie that was based on a video game... can't think of any? Me neither. Max Payne, Hitman, and Resident Evil were all awful. Don't get me started on Max Payne...just ugh. <_<

You'll definately be watching it.

Actually all of your examples did good at the box office while RE keeps on making those triple digits in the millions with their box offices.  

[BP93]

Blueprotoss wrote...

BP93 wrote...

Yeah.

Seriously, I have no desire to see this if it ever even comes to it. Name one successful movie that was based on a video game... can't think of any? Me neither. Max Payne, Hitman, and Resident Evil were all awful. Don't get me started on Max Payne...just ugh. <_<

You'll definately be watching it.

Actually all of your examples did good at the box office while RE keeps on making those triple digits in the millions with their box offices.  

I saw Max Payne in theaters, caught Hitman on FX one day, and bits and pieces of Resident Evil, which didn't look like RE at all.

Max Payne was an utter disaster and is the reason I hope a ME movie never gets made, out of fear that the disaster would replicate itself. As someone who played those two games over and over, I wanted to cry after seeing the movie. James McCaffrey being reduced to a damn cameo? Just... <_<

[Blueprotoss]

BP93 wrote...

I saw Max Payne in theaters, caught Hitman on FX one day, and bits and pieces of Resident Evil, which didn't look like RE at all.

 Adaptions are usually different from the orignal material especially when we're talking about 2002's Spider-Man and 2001's Tomb Raider movie.

BP93 wrote... 

Max Payne was an utter disaster and is the reason I hope a ME movie never gets made, out of fear that the disaster would replicate itself. As someone who played those two games over and over, I wanted to cry after seeing the movie. James McCaffrey being reduced to a damn cameo? Just... <_<

I hope you didn't play the Max Payne game based on how ithe movie was pretty close to the game.  You already lost with Paragon Lost.  It seems like that why you hated it based on a certain actor not getting the time that you wanted.