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[Funkdrspot]

We need a sticky with links to every disproven plothole/space magic/art claim so thread topics like these don't pop up every week.

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...

the only thing more disappointing than your angst/cynical shtick are the peopl that grou-think and parrot your ignorant POV. I was in the very thread where a military member actually educated you on how missle tech would allow this but like usual you ignore actual facts that contradict your bias so you can repeat the same joke, "herp derp its because of space magic/art/speculation! Look at me, im full of angst and im witty!". why people follow your uncredible word is beyond me...

And you obviously missed the part where I noted that such a missile has nothing to do with the defintion of thanix cannon, which is to accelerate molten metal to near the speed of light to form a sustained beam.
Or, knowing people like you, you didn't miss that at all, but just omit that part in order to march in here and insult me because you just don't have anything better to do.

[Casticus]

[quote]Fuzzfro wrote...

 Seriously.[/quote]

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Good one

[Ticonderoga117]

Funkdrspot wrote...

We need a sticky with links to every disproven plothole/space magic/art claim so thread topics like these don't pop up every week.

Oh, well that's already there.

Yeah, none. Why? Because it's all horrible writing that doesn't make a lick of sense!

[Tritium315]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...
But that's the whole point. Why would you even use missiles when you can just use a mass accelerator. There is literally no advantage whatsoever to using missiles unless you're trying to shoot around the curvature of a planet.

If we had working mass accelerators in our time then you can be damn sure DARPA wouldn't be working on that MAHEM ****.

Well, we are working on the much more possible tech of "railguns". A bit too big to wield like in ME, but still hella deadly.

Yea, sucks that they can only fire a few times before the rails become deformed from the massive heat generated. They are getting there though; it's pretty sweet.

[Funkdrspot]

To people who ask why incorporate thanix tech in missle form...that was also answered in the same thread by the same person who slapped The Angry One down. Its because a missle allows for a better hit and run strat against the reapers than a continuous beam. And better range

[Lone Triarii]

Tritium315 wrote...

But that's the whole point. Why would you even use missiles when you can just use a mass accelerator. There is literally no advantage whatsoever to using missiles unless you're trying to shoot around the curvature of a planet.

If we had working mass accelerators in our time then you can be damn sure DARPA wouldn't be working on that MAHEM ****.

Why would you use missiles when it was already stated that they were useless because of shipboard lasers?

Funkdrspot wrote...

To people who ask why incorporate thanix tech in missle form...that was also answered in the same thread by the same person who slapped The Angry One down. Its because a missle allows for a better hit and run strat against the reapers than a continuous beam. And better range

But... lasers?

Modifié par Lone Triarii, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[Johanna]

Reorte wrote...

It always depresses me when I see people getting worked up at other people for niggling at little inconsistencies and irritants. That niggling away type of mind is responsible for just about every scientific breakthrough ever made (and probably just about every complicated crime solved).

Yeah.

The "UGH WHY ARE YOU THINKING SO MUCH UGH" crowd makes me want to cry.

[PSUHammer]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Fuzzfro wrote...

 Seriously.

We are geeks.  We are nerds.  This is what we do.  Are you new to geekdom?  This phenomenon is older than most of us.  The Trekkies are even worse, if you can believe that.

I actually had a cassette tape that went into explicit detail about errors in the first few seasons of TNG. Yeah, nitpicking is what we do, because if we don't, consistency will go right out the window.

Look at ME: Deception.

Point taken, but to be fair, sometimes it goes ridiculously too far.  Some people get lost in the minutia and forget to just enjoy the story for what it is.  For  instance, I think Braveheart is one of the most entertaining films I have ever seen.  But, having studied British history, I know damn well that it is half made up.  It's a movie.  Entertainment.  Not a documentary.

We can find plot holes and inaccuracies in any media we latch onto.

[Barnzy]

Tritium315 wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

When i first saw this in ME3, i did a quick google search to see if such a missile existed which utilised molten metal (seen in the thanix cannon). I came to the conclusion that the writer attempted to base the Thanix missile on a weapon which is currently in development by the Department of Defence:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAHEM

Its called the Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, and is a missle which contains a molten metal core. Upon impact, the liquid metal core would be used to penetrate armor. 
I assume the Thanix Missle would work in a similar fashion, except an eezo core would be used to hold the liquid in place within the missile, or something like that!

Okay, seriously. No. Eezo core? Sure, if you want it labelled as a pollutant, a weapon of mass destruction and get about 10,000 sanctions dropped on you by the Council.
Thanix technology works by accelerating molten metal to near the speed of light, how would a missile do that and more importantly, why would you do that with a missile when you can do it with a cannon that has ultra long range and is reusable instead?

Scrap the eezo core idea and BANG .. Thanix Missile!

Also, a Thanix Cannon operates by accelerating molten metal to a fraction near light speed, it was never stated that ALL Thanix technology operates the same way. Given that the Thanix missile is fired at what i would assume to be no where near the speed of light just proves this thought.
I think it is more likely that the term Thanix was attached to this missile simply because it uses (possibly) a molten metal core to penetrate enemy armor, similar to how the moden day Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition works, as linked above.

But that's the whole point. Why would you even use missiles when you can just use a mass accelerator. There is literally no advantage whatsoever to using missiles unless you're trying to shoot around the curvature of a planet.

If we had working mass accelerators in our time then you can be damn sure DARPA wouldn't be working on that MAHEM ****.

I think the whole point is missed. What i am proposing is that the Thanix missile is not based in anyway in eezo based technology (well now i am anyway ), and insead was given the name Thanix as it utilised molten metal in some way.
Perhaps missiles were cheaper to manufacture as they had no eezo for the production of Thanix Cannons, as most supplies would have been used in the production of the Crucible. As a result, the Thanix Missile was invented.

But my whole post wasn't meant to justify the writers choice of using a missile to deliver liquid metal to an enemy instead of a mass accelerator, im just saying that if there were a codex entry on the Thanix missile, it would probably be writtenalong those lines

Modifié par Barnzy, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:39 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Funkdrspot wrote...

To people who ask why incorporate thanix tech in missle form...that was also answered in the same thread by the same person who slapped The Angry One down. Its because a missle allows for a better hit and run strat against the reapers than a continuous beam. And better range

Seriously? That's the best you got? The cannon, in space, has infinite range until it hits something. The missle can't. It doesn't have the fuel for that.

Also, cannons allow faster hit and run tactics because you don't have to worry about jamming (see Priority Earth) and you don't have to wait for them to lock on to fire. Just turn the cannon and fire!

So, that person who "slapped" TAO down is a moron.

[PSUHammer]

pants witch wrote...

Reorte wrote...

It always depresses me when I see people getting worked up at other people for niggling at little inconsistencies and irritants. That niggling away type of mind is responsible for just about every scientific breakthrough ever made (and probably just about every complicated crime solved).

Yeah.

The "UGH WHY ARE YOU THINKING SO MUCH UGH" crowd makes me want to cry.

But it's just a game?? 

[Funkdrspot]

The Angry One wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

the only thing more disappointing than your angst/cynical shtick are the peopl that grou-think and parrot your ignorant POV. I was in the very thread where a military member actually educated you on how missle tech would allow this but like usual you ignore actual facts that contradict your bias so you can repeat the same joke, "herp derp its because of space magic/art/speculation! Look at me, im full of angst and im witty!". why people follow your uncredible word is beyond me...

And you obviously missed the part where I noted that such a missile has nothing to do with the defintion of thanix cannon, which is to accelerate molten metal to near the speed of light to form a sustained beam.
Or, knowing people like you, you didn't miss that at all, but just omit that part in order to march in here and insult me because you just don't have anything better to do.

nope. the guy explained that to you too. he knew technical knowledge of warheads and explained to you that the basic tech is already being used and that they could have a thanix charge but carried by missle. you then left the thread entirely when he rebutted your every point.

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...

To people who ask why incorporate thanix tech in missle form...that was also answered in the same thread by the same person who slapped The Angry One down. Its because a missle allows for a better hit and run strat against the reapers than a continuous beam. And better range

Better range, that's why they fire it point blank. Hit and run... yeah you didn't see the ME2 thanix scene did you?

Also, I tire of your attempts at provocation. Nobody's slapped me down, my point stands, and is yet to be refuted, least of all by you.
You lose, good day sir.

[Tritium315]

Funkdrspot wrote...

To people who ask why incorporate thanix tech in missle form...that was also answered in the same thread by the same person who slapped The Angry One down. Its because a missle allows for a better hit and run strat against the reapers than a continuous beam. And better range

You do realize that entire concept of missiles is utterly pointless in a universe where you have projectiles traveling at thousands of kilometers a second, right. See if they figured out how to make cruise missiles with small eezo cores that traveled at FTL speeds then you'd have a point, but if they did that we wouldn't need a crucible.

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...

nope. the guy explained that to you too. he knew technical knowledge of warheads and explained to you that the basic tech is already being used and that they could have a thanix charge but carried by missle. you then left the thread entirely when he rebutted your every point.

And whoever that was claimed that it could be accelerated to near the speed of light somehow by an eezo core, at which point I there, like here, pointed out that this would be a weapon of mass destruction and totally illegal even if it were possible.

This STILL doesn't satisfy one of the defintions of thanix, which is to form a sustained beam with the molten metal.
A missile carrying molten metal and thanix are two different technologies. The end.

Now kindly stop posturing, it is somewhat irritating.

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Hammer6767 wrote...
Point taken, but to be fair, sometimes it goes ridiculously too far.  Some people get lost in the minutia and forget to just enjoy the story for what it is.  For  instance, I think Braveheart is one of the most entertaining films I have ever seen.  But, having studied British history, I know damn well that it is half made up.  It's a movie.  Entertainment.  Not a documentary.

We can find plot holes and inaccuracies in any media we latch onto.

True. However, there are two caveats in my opinion about this.

1. When it reaches a certain critical mass. (Deception)
2. When it seems like lazy work. (The authors don't know how things work in thier own story / go against it)

It just seems... off.

But you do bring up a valid point about things like Braveheart.

How to reconcile? No idea.

[Funkdrspot]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

To people who ask why incorporate thanix tech in missle form...that was also answered in the same thread by the same person who slapped The Angry One down. Its because a missle allows for a better hit and run strat against the reapers than a continuous beam. And better range

Seriously? That's the best you got? The cannon, in space, has infinite range until it hits something. The missle can't. It doesn't have the fuel for that.

Also, cannons allow faster hit and run tactics because you don't have to worry about jamming (see Priority Earth) and you don't have to wait for them to lock on to fire. Just turn the cannon and fire!

So, that person who "slapped" TAO down is a moron.

a traditional canon has infinite range but is too weak to be used. the guy explained it as providing maximum firepower in as little time as possible and he was incredibly thorough in his explanation. stop your TAO worship.

[Tritium315]

Barnzy wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

When i first saw this in ME3, i did a quick google search to see if such a missile existed which utilised molten metal (seen in the thanix cannon). I came to the conclusion that the writer attempted to base the Thanix missile on a weapon which is currently in development by the Department of Defence:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAHEM

Its called the Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, and is a missle which contains a molten metal core. Upon impact, the liquid metal core would be used to penetrate armor. 
I assume the Thanix Missle would work in a similar fashion, except an eezo core would be used to hold the liquid in place within the missile, or something like that!

Okay, seriously. No. Eezo core? Sure, if you want it labelled as a pollutant, a weapon of mass destruction and get about 10,000 sanctions dropped on you by the Council.
Thanix technology works by accelerating molten metal to near the speed of light, how would a missile do that and more importantly, why would you do that with a missile when you can do it with a cannon that has ultra long range and is reusable instead?

Scrap the eezo core idea and BANG .. Thanix Missile!

Also, a Thanix Cannon operates by accelerating molten metal to a fraction near light speed, it was never stated that ALL Thanix technology operates the same way. Given that the Thanix missile is fired at what i would assume to be no where near the speed of light just proves this thought.
I think it is more likely that the term Thanix was attached to this missile simply because it uses (possibly) a molten metal core to penetrate enemy armor, similar to how the moden day Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition works, as linked above.

But that's the whole point. Why would you even use missiles when you can just use a mass accelerator. There is literally no advantage whatsoever to using missiles unless you're trying to shoot around the curvature of a planet.

If we had working mass accelerators in our time then you can be damn sure DARPA wouldn't be working on that MAHEM ****.

I think the whole point is missed. What i am proposing is that the Thanix missile is not based in anyway in eezo based technology (well now i am anyway ), and insead was given the name Thanix as it utilised molten metal in some way.
Perhaps missiles were cheaper to manufacture as they had no eezo for the production of Thanix Cannons, as most supplies would have been used in the production of the Crucible. As a result, the Thanix Missile was invented.

But my whole post wasn't meant to justify the writers choice of using a missile to deliver liquid metal to an enemy instead of a mass accelerator, im just saying that if there were a codex entry on the Thanix missile, it would probably be writtenalong those lines

The entire concept of a missile within the mass effect universe is pointless though since it does nothing. The molten metal present in Thanix tech is only devestating because it's traveling at near the speed of light; not because it's molten metal.

[Ticonderoga117]

Funkdrspot wrote...
a traditional canon has infinite range but is too weak to be used. the guy explained it as providing maximum firepower in as little time as possible and he was incredibly thorough in his explanation. stop your TAO worship.

You still haven't addressed the other issues of aiming and jamming... and range either.

So, until you get down with that, I'll be around.

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...
a traditional canon has infinite range but is too weak to be used. the guy explained it as providing maximum firepower in as little time as possible and he was incredibly thorough in his explanation. stop your TAO worship.

I notice you keep making this about me.
I suggest you stick to your argument, and take your personal vendettas elsewhere.

[Johanna]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Point taken, but to be fair, sometimes it goes ridiculously too far.  Some people get lost in the minutia and forget to just enjoy the story for what it is.  For  instance, I think Braveheart is one of the most entertaining films I have ever seen.  But, having studied British history, I know damn well that it is half made up.  It's a movie.  Entertainment.  Not a documentary.

We can find plot holes and inaccuracies in any media we latch onto.

Some people enjoy this.  Genuinely enjoy it.  So, no, it doesn't go too far for them.  When it's too far for you, stop participating. 

[savionen]

Tritium315 wrote...

The entire concept of a missile within the mass effect universe is pointless though since it does nothing. The molten metal present in Thanix tech is only devestating because it's traveling at near the speed of light; not because it's molten metal.

Also since it's a continuous beam, so it effectively burrows and forces its way through an object. A splash of molten metal wouldn't be super-effective against other metal.

[o Ventus]

Tritium315 wrote...

The entire concept of a missile within the mass effect universe is pointless though since it does nothing. The molten metal present in Thanix tech is only devestating because it's traveling at near the speed of light; not because it's molten metal.

Actually, some of the perks attributed to the weapon firing molten metal are incredibly useful. The heat from the metal bypasses kinetic barriers and can burn through armor. If it can't burn through the substance, it can solidify on top of it, effectively burying it.

[Barnzy]

Tritium315 wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Barnzy wrote...

When i first saw this in ME3, i did a quick google search to see if such a missile existed which utilised molten metal (seen in the thanix cannon). I came to the conclusion that the writer attempted to base the Thanix missile on a weapon which is currently in development by the Department of Defence:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAHEM

Its called the Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition, and is a missle which contains a molten metal core. Upon impact, the liquid metal core would be used to penetrate armor. 
I assume the Thanix Missle would work in a similar fashion, except an eezo core would be used to hold the liquid in place within the missile, or something like that!

Okay, seriously. No. Eezo core? Sure, if you want it labelled as a pollutant, a weapon of mass destruction and get about 10,000 sanctions dropped on you by the Council.
Thanix technology works by accelerating molten metal to near the speed of light, how would a missile do that and more importantly, why would you do that with a missile when you can do it with a cannon that has ultra long range and is reusable instead?

Scrap the eezo core idea and BANG .. Thanix Missile!

Also, a Thanix Cannon operates by accelerating molten metal to a fraction near light speed, it was never stated that ALL Thanix technology operates the same way. Given that the Thanix missile is fired at what i would assume to be no where near the speed of light just proves this thought.
I think it is more likely that the term Thanix was attached to this missile simply because it uses (possibly) a molten metal core to penetrate enemy armor, similar to how the moden day Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition works, as linked above.

But that's the whole point. Why would you even use missiles when you can just use a mass accelerator. There is literally no advantage whatsoever to using missiles unless you're trying to shoot around the curvature of a planet.

If we had working mass accelerators in our time then you can be damn sure DARPA wouldn't be working on that MAHEM ****.

I think the whole point is missed. What i am proposing is that the Thanix missile is not based in anyway in eezo based technology (well now i am anyway ), and insead was given the name Thanix as it utilised molten metal in some way.
Perhaps missiles were cheaper to manufacture as they had no eezo for the production of Thanix Cannons, as most supplies would have been used in the production of the Crucible. As a result, the Thanix Missile was invented.

But my whole post wasn't meant to justify the writers choice of using a missile to deliver liquid metal to an enemy instead of a mass accelerator, im just saying that if there were a codex entry on the Thanix missile, it would probably be writtenalong those lines

The entire concept of a missile within the mass effect universe is pointless though since it does nothing. The molten metal present in Thanix tech is only devestating because it's traveling at near the speed of light; not because it's molten metal.

I admit, a missle filled with molten metal may have less of an impact than a weapon firing molten metal out of a mass accelerator cannon. However, like i said, perhaps they has no access to a significant ammout of eezo to produce a Thanix cannon due to the needs of the Crucible project. As a result they had to rely on conventional means to deal damage to the enemy. Besides, as shown by the thought behind the modern day Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition project, molten metal within a missle could be a viable means to do some damage.

Modifié par Barnzy, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .