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[RadicalDisconnect]

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
All you need is an Eezo core. Makos already have Eezo cores, and there are fighter-portable thanix cannons. So why not install them on Makos?

Fighter's thanix cannons is useles against ordinary Destroyers.  I think there needs dreadnought's thanix cannons to  kill it fast..

A Cruiser-type ship can take out a Destroyer using solely the conventional MA weapons.

So no.

Events on Rannoch indicate otherwise.

A thresher maw tackles a Reaper to death.

The quarian Heavy Fleet destroys a Reaper.

Shepard 1-shots a Reaper with the Cain.

2 Thanix missiles and "Everything you've got" destroys another Reaper.

The game itself isn't very consistent.

True. Although the Hades Cannon doesn't seem to be a sapient reaper ship. It looks like it uses a destroyer chassis, but everything else is different. Perhaps it isn't shielded like a destroyer.

[Gorkan86]

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
All you need is an Eezo core. Makos already have Eezo cores, and there are fighter-portable thanix cannons. So why not install them on Makos?

Fighter's thanix cannons is useles against ordinary Destroyers.  I think there needs dreadnought's thanix cannons to  kill it fast..

A Cruiser-type ship can take out a Destroyer using solely the conventional MA weapons.

So no.

Events on Rannoch indicate otherwise.

A thresher maw tackles a Reaper to death.

The quarian Heavy Fleet destroys a Reaper.

Shepard 1-shots a Reaper with the Cain.

2 Thanix missiles and "Everything you've got" destroys another Reaper.

The game itself isn't very consistent.

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

[Tapkomet]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
All you need is an Eezo core. Makos already have Eezo cores, and there are fighter-portable thanix cannons. So why not install them on Makos?

Fighter's thanix cannons is useles against ordinary Destroyers.  I think there needs dreadnought's thanix cannons to  kill it fast..

A Cruiser-type ship can take out a Destroyer using solely the conventional MA weapons.

So no.

Events on Rannoch indicate otherwise.

A thresher maw tackles a Reaper to death.

The quarian Heavy Fleet destroys a Reaper.

Shepard 1-shots a Reaper with the Cain.

2 Thanix missiles and "Everything you've got" destroys another Reaper.

The game itself isn't very consistent.

True. Although the Hades Cannon doesn't seem to be a sapient reaper ship. It looks like it uses a destroyer chassis, but everything else is different. Perhaps it isn't shielded like a destroyer.

It is a destroyer, but poorly shielded because of that huge cannon up it's butt. That must have been in the Codex or something, don't remember for exact.

[o Ventus]

Tritium315 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

tritium315, you're forgetting a unique problem that only thanix tech can solve. Reaper barriers can take kinetic damage just fine but thanix cuts through it better, which is why thanix is preferred

Except a key part of that is because it's a massive stream of particles all moving at near the speed of light. The difference between that and a missile filled with molten metal is the difference between a water balloon and a fire hose.

The Thanix cannon bypasses barriers because kinetic barriers don't protect against environmental extremes (Heat, in this case), not because it fires in a stream. The only thing the cannon itself needs to worry about is the physical armor on enemy ships, which the stream can bore its way through anyway.

[RadicalDisconnect]

v TricKy v wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
All you need is an Eezo core. Makos already have Eezo cores, and there are fighter-portable thanix cannons. So why not install them on Makos?

Fighter's thanix cannons is useles against ordinary Destroyers.  I think there needs dreadnought's thanix cannons to  kill it fast..

A Cruiser-type ship can take out a Destroyer using solely the conventional MA weapons.

So no.

Really? When does this happen?

Codex.

Yep thats right.
I always bring that up for people who are saying the ridiculous Ranoch battle is proof that reapers are unbeatable.
The fight was just dramatic and over the top.

Or it could be that Quarian warships are ****ty. Also, look at the length of the cannon barrel that the Quarians are using. Definitely not main gun.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[The Angry One]

Gorkan86 wrote...

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

Oh you mean the impacts from light mass accelerators from a fraction of the Quarian fleet not using their spinal mount mass accelerators through the atmosphere?
And even those light shots made the Destroyer flinch badly, meaning that in space they'd toss it around like a ping pong ball?

That battle?

[o Ventus]

Gorkan86 wrote...

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

The codex, because it's at least able to stick with how it wishes to paint the enemy strength.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Tapkomet wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
All you need is an Eezo core. Makos already have Eezo cores, and there are fighter-portable thanix cannons. So why not install them on Makos?

Fighter's thanix cannons is useles against ordinary Destroyers.  I think there needs dreadnought's thanix cannons to  kill it fast..

A Cruiser-type ship can take out a Destroyer using solely the conventional MA weapons.

So no.

Events on Rannoch indicate otherwise.

A thresher maw tackles a Reaper to death.

The quarian Heavy Fleet destroys a Reaper.

Shepard 1-shots a Reaper with the Cain.

2 Thanix missiles and "Everything you've got" destroys another Reaper.

The game itself isn't very consistent.

True. Although the Hades Cannon doesn't seem to be a sapient reaper ship. It looks like it uses a destroyer chassis, but everything else is different. Perhaps it isn't shielded like a destroyer.

It is a destroyer, but poorly shielded because of that huge cannon up it's butt. That must have been in the Codex or something, don't remember for exact.

 
Really? Again, the bottom part looks the same, but everything at the cannon and above looks different. But one thing is for sure: it's definitely not shielded well or even at all.

[Wulfram]

Destroyers are clearly fairly destroyable. Which makes sense - they're tiny compared to the capital ships. And they're even more destroyable when they're dumb enough to fight on the surface and sacrifice their maneuverability.

Though I don't think Hades Cannon are as tough even as regular Destroyers.

[Sgt Stryker]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

I think people here are overstating the firepower of Thanix cannons. According to the Codex (if we can even trust it at this point), Thanix cannons give frigates firepower comparable to cruisers. How the Normandy SR-2 using such cannons made such quick work of a Collector Cruiser that could wipe out a Turian patrol is beyond me though.

I always figured that the Collector Cruiser was a glass cannon. Very powerful offensive weaponry, but relatively weak defenses for a ship of its size. Note that even an un-upgraded Normandy can destroy the Collector Cruiser, by getting in close and unloading its entire complement of torpedoes at what was presumably a weak point in the cruiser's hull.

EDIT: Maybe there are different calibers of Thanix cannons?

Makes sense to me. I highly doubt that a fighter-mounted Thanix cannon is as powerful as one mounted on say, that volus dreadnought.

[Barnzy]

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
All you need is an Eezo core. Makos already have Eezo cores, and there are fighter-portable thanix cannons. So why not install them on Makos?

Fighter's thanix cannons is useles against ordinary Destroyers.  I think there needs dreadnought's thanix cannons to  kill it fast..

A Cruiser-type ship can take out a Destroyer using solely the conventional MA weapons.

So no.

Events on Rannoch indicate otherwise.

A thresher maw tackles a Reaper to death.

The quarian Heavy Fleet destroys a Reaper.

Shepard 1-shots a Reaper with the Cain.

2 Thanix missiles and "Everything you've got" destroys another Reaper.

The game itself isn't very consistent.

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

All those senarios listed in o Ventus' last post happened before shepards eyes, it doesn't make the game any more consistent.

Modifié par Barnzy, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .

[DMWW]

The Angry One wrote...

DMWW wrote...

Maybe it's just a trade name?

After all, javelin missiles aren't literally javelins. Viper rifles aren't literally snakes.

Well I'd have to wonder why humans are using a Turian trade name then.

That's globalization for you. 

(Galacticization?)

[The Angry One]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Makes sense to me. I highly doubt that a fighter-mounted Thanix cannon is as powerful as one mounted on say, that volus dreadnought.

The codex entry implies that the force of the cannon is relative to the size of the eezo core powering it.
Reaper eezo cores are massive, hence theirs are one-shot kill doom beams.

[v TricKy v]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Codex.

Yep thats right.
I always bring that up for people who are saying the ridiculous Ranoch battle is proof that reapers are unbeatable.
The fight was just dramatic and over the top.

Or it could be that Quarian warships are ****ty. Also, look at the length of the cannon barrel that the Quarians are using. Definitely not main gun.

Also possible. The Quarians are using mostly scraps anyway

[Gorkan86]

Tapkomet wrote...
You mean when 5 Quarian ships (frigates or cruisers?) shoot down in the atmosphere (-20% impact) and kill a destroyer while missing most shots, but managing not to kill Shepard?

And Normandy, if you hadn't noticed, shoots it with THANIX cannon. Several times. In weakest spot. With redused mass shields. Never break through it's armor though.
Never thought that Quarians have so little fleet.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Tapkomet wrote...
You mean when 5 Quarian ships (frigates or cruisers?) shoot down in the atmosphere (-20% impact) and kill a destroyer while missing most shots, but managing not to kill Shepard?

And Normandy, if you hadn't noticed, shoots it with THANIX cannon. Several times. In weakest spot. With redused mass shields. Never break through it's armor though.
Never thought that Quarians have so little fleet.

Nope, the Normandy never fired its Thanix weapons until the final battle (even then it's debatable whether those blue projectiles are Thanix or not). On Rannoch, it looks like it fired an air-to-ground missile (AGM) at the reaper when the thing was inside the bunker.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:23 .

[o Ventus]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Tapkomet wrote...
You mean when 5 Quarian ships (frigates or cruisers?) shoot down in the atmosphere (-20% impact) and kill a destroyer while missing most shots, but managing not to kill Shepard?

And Normandy, if you hadn't noticed, shoots it with THANIX cannon. Several times. In weakest spot. With redused mass shields. Never break through it's armor though.
Never thought that Quarians have so little fleet.

What? The Normandy never once shoots at it with anything, ever.

[Gorkan86]

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

The codex, because it's at least able to stick with how it wishes to paint the enemy strength.

So, some entries says that 12 reapers (Sov. class) destroyed whole 2nd Alliance fleet, and some says that 4 Alliance Dreadnoughts managed to destroy 6 reaper (Sov. class) without losses. 

[o Ventus]

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

The codex, because it's at least able to stick with how it wishes to paint the enemy strength.

So, some entries says that 12 reapers (Sov. class) destroyed whole 2nd Alliance fleet, and some says that 4 Alliance Dreadnoughts managed to destroy 6 reaper (Sov. class) without losses. 

When?

[Gorkan86]

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Tapkomet wrote...
You mean when 5 Quarian ships (frigates or cruisers?) shoot down in the atmosphere (-20% impact) and kill a destroyer while missing most shots, but managing not to kill Shepard?

And Normandy, if you hadn't noticed, shoots it with THANIX cannon. Several times. In weakest spot. With redused mass shields. Never break through it's armor though.
Never thought that Quarians have so little fleet.

What? The Normandy never once shoots at it with anything, ever.

Ok, my bad, i've forgot about that already. 

We sttill have one reaper vs quarian's ships. 
Apparently we can win conventionally, just need to land all reapers and shoot out them from space.

[Twinzam.V]

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Tapkomet wrote...
You mean when 5 Quarian ships (frigates or cruisers?) shoot down in the atmosphere (-20% impact) and kill a destroyer while missing most shots, but managing not to kill Shepard?

And Normandy, if you hadn't noticed, shoots it with THANIX cannon. Several times. In weakest spot. With redused mass shields. Never break through it's armor though.
Never thought that Quarians have so little fleet.

What? The Normandy never once shoots at it with anything, ever.

Ok, my bad, i've forgot about that already. 

We sttill have one reaper vs quarian's ships. 
Apparently we can win conventionally, just need to land all reapers and shoot out them from space.

Gravity. Who knew the Reapers would have such weakness.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .

[Gorkan86]

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

The codex, because it's at least able to stick with how it wishes to paint the enemy strength.

So, some entries says that 12 reapers (Sov. class) destroyed whole 2nd Alliance fleet, and some says that 4 Alliance Dreadnoughts managed to destroy 6 reaper (Sov. class) without losses. 

When?

And, my bad again, not Alliance Dreadnoughts. It's 4 Asari Dreadnoughts, and ti's not an Codex information.
But, 12 reapers vs 2nd fleet still remain.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

So, what to believe, the fact what had happened on the battlefield, right before our eyes, or what was written in the Codex?

The codex, because it's at least able to stick with how it wishes to paint the enemy strength.

So, some entries says that 12 reapers (Sov. class) destroyed whole 2nd Alliance fleet, and some says that 4 Alliance Dreadnoughts managed to destroy 6 reaper (Sov. class) without losses. 

When?

And, my bad again, not Alliance Dreadnoughts. It's 4 Asari Dreadnoughts, and ti's not an Codex information.
But, 12 reapers vs 2nd fleet still remain.

Can you tell us where in the codex it states this?

[justafan]

To answer the original question, I always assumed the "Thanix" part meant molten metal. Hence the "Thanix Cannon" fires a stream of the hot stuff, while a missile carries a payload of the same thing. Maybe it is the case that molten metal is just super effective against whatever the reapers are made of, hence their use instead of javelin missiles.

Since missiles can bypass shields and are probably cheaper than the mass accelerator cannon, thats why I assume we see so many Thanix missiles instead of the famous cannon of ME2.

[Twinzam.V]

justafan wrote...

To answer the original question, I always assumed the "Thanix" part meant molten metal. Hence the "Thanix Cannon" fires a stream of the hot stuff, while a missile carries a payload of the same thing. Maybe it is the case that molten metal is just super effective against whatever the reapers are made of, hence their use instead of javelin missiles.

Since missiles can bypass shields and are probably cheaper than the mass accelerator cannon, thats why I assume we see so many Thanix missiles instead of the famous cannon of ME2.

That's true. But missiles or rockets can miss a target or the damage inflicted might be not enough even to cripple the target.
Artillery fire can also miss the target but has more firepower and if it hits it's pretty much dead.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .