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[andysdead]

This playthrough, I am playing a noble Dwarf origin. So, I am technically Prince of Orzammar. During the little chat that I had with Arl Eamon, Alistair, Teyrn Loghain, Arl Howe, and Ser Cauthrien, I even refered to myself as Prince of Orzammar. Yet, when I speak directly to Loghain, Ser Cauthrien still refers to me as "churl" and tells me not to speak to my "betters" in such a fashion.

Now, I am no expert on medieval hierarchies, but the last time I checked, Prince trumps everyone but King, making me techically the "better" of everyone present in said conversation.

I would understand if Ser Cauthrien was speaking to me in such a way in order to insult me, and in fact she succeeded and at this moment I would like NOTHING better than to bury an axe in her forehead for the slight.

If a developer is so inclined, it seems like a great opportunity to either correct the injustice if it was unintended or to add in an option to fight or at least to respond to Ser Cauthrien's insult.

[Adria Teksuni]

She knows.



She doesn't care.



NO one talks to Loghain that way. Period. If you do, you are lower than dogspit, in her eyes.



Creepy stalker chica ftw.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Canned line that you can interpret as a generic insult. Personally, one of my characters looked down on Loghain, Cauthrien and Anora but not Howe merely because they were commoners.

[Nashimura]

Cauthrien might just not see the pathetically short people as betters....no matter what they rank down in the hole in the ground....up here there ranks is there to be Pissed on.

[ReubenLiew]

You WERE a prince. You're less than nothing now, though.

[andysdead]

I just want to be able to say something like "If you spoke that way to a noble in Orzammar, you'd find an axe in your skull!"



That would make me happy.

[Maria Caliban]

andysdead wrote...

So, I am technically Prince of Orzammar.

No, you're a Grey Warden. Even if you were a Prince when you left Orzammar (which you weren't) as soon as you join the Wardens, you lose your title.

Not that this matters one way or the other to Ser Cauthrien. Unless you're Andreste reincarnate, Loghian is your better.

[SeanMurphy2]

Yeah in her eyes, Loghain is awesome.



He single handedly liberated the country, is a fantastic general and she can't imagine anyone better to rule Ferelden.

[Stuffy38]

Maria Caliban wrote...

andysdead wrote...

So, I am technically Prince of Orzammar.

No, you're a Grey Warden. Even if you were a Prince when you left Orzammar (which you weren't) as soon as you join the Wardens, you lose your title.

Not that this matters one way or the other to Ser Cauthrien. Unless you're Andreste reincarnate, Loghian is your better.

Incorrect.  Once you have assigned a king to the throne in Orzammar, your noble house status is reinstated.  You are referred to as a prince again.

[andysdead]

Stuffy38 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

andysdead wrote...

So, I am technically Prince of Orzammar.

No, you're a Grey Warden. Even if you were a Prince when you left Orzammar (which you weren't) as soon as you join the Wardens, you lose your title.

Not that this matters one way or the other to Ser Cauthrien. Unless you're Andreste reincarnate, Loghian is your better.

Incorrect.  Once you have assigned a king to the throne in Orzammar, your noble house status is reinstated.  You are referred to as a prince again.

This is true.

Cauthrien's attitude is also true, but it doesn't make me want to cut her into tiny pieces any less.

[tigrina]

If you are first time at the gates of Orzammar, the Loghain messenger actually refers to 'king Loghain'. That makes him selfproclaimed king right there.

Whether it makes it true or not doesn't matter much I guess. I'm pretty sure Ser Cauthrien thinks of him as 'rightful king' though.

Modifié par tigrina, 16 décembre 2009 - 04:18 .

[Riot Inducer]

Yes you're the prince of Orzammar, however it's not much of a surprise Loghain doesn't either recognize that or care about it if he does. If you hadn't noticed he's a bit on the xenophobic side of things. And Cauthrien is Loghain's groupie so she's for all intents and purposes a fanatic, if you're not with Loghain you're pure evil scum to her.

[SeanMurphy2]

Also remember that she is meeting you for the first time.



Like Loghain she is a farm girl who has worked her way up the ranks. She may not automatically respect the titled nobles she encounters in Denerim. A lot of the nobles may look down on Loghain because he is a commoner.



Your party is two grey wardens, an apostate witch, Orlesian priest, murdering Qunari, old mage, turncoat assassin and a drunken dwarf. You may not make the best first impressions.

[Nashimura]

Though you can convince her to change her stance on Loghain...

[andysdead]

all the explanations are well and good, but someone please explain to me why i can't shove a massive two-handed sword through her gullet for insulting me!

[Riot Inducer]

andysdead wrote...

all the explanations are well and good, but someone please explain to me why i can't shove a massive two-handed sword through her gullet for insulting me!

Oh trust me I wish the option was there too, particularly I wanted one to fling the all-powerful "Plot Knife" at Howe during that exchange as a human noble. At least you do get an opportunity (or two) to lop off her head later on. 

[The Capital Gaultier]

andysdead wrote...

all the explanations are well and good, but someone please explain to me why i can't shove a massive two-handed sword through her gullet for insulting me!

It wouldn't be a very good move, politically.

[AtreiyaN7]

I don't think she'd respect anything but another Fereldan noble - non-humans probably don't count to her. Of course, I'm pretty sure she called my human noble a churl anyway, so eh.

[The Capital Gaultier]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I don't think she'd respect anything but another Fereldan noble - non-humans probably don't count to her. Of course, I'm pretty sure she called my human noble a churl anyway, so eh.

Cauthrien is a commoner.  She just doesn't respect anyone.

[Maria Caliban]

andysdead wrote...

all the explanations are well and good, but someone please explain to me why i can't shove a massive two-handed sword through her gullet for insulting me!

Because she's Ser Cauthrien the Unexpectedly Ultra-Powerful Lacky; the scene originally called for you attempting to kill her, her going into bullet time, dodging the sword blow, flipping over your head, decapitating you, and handing offering your head to Loghain with a smile as your bloody sack of a body hit the floor.

...but they didn't have enough zots for that.

You can try to kill her when you rescue Anora.

[andysdead]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

andysdead wrote...

all the explanations are well and good, but someone please explain to me why i can't shove a massive two-handed sword through her gullet for insulting me!

It wouldn't be a very good move, politically.

My own brother framing me and murdering my older brother wasn't a good move, politically, either. It eventually led to his untimely demise, in fact. Which is exactly what I have planned for Cauthrien. Ancestors protect her if we ever meet outside Eamon's estate....  (heh heh heh).

[Inzhuna]

well, just wait till later, and you'll be able to kill her. More than once.

[Original182]

You can take it as a generic insult which can be explained in many ways. Another one is that, do you see any dwarf soldiers under her command? Yup, she's a racist too.

[druidofwarp]

kill her animate her dead corpse via mage and hit it with AOEs