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[nicethugbert]

What about the other classes?

[Stance Punk]

I guess all the Infiltrator players thought the damage boosts were standard.

[Miniditka77]

I don't know, still seems pretty good to me.  I had never used a shotgun infiltrator before yesterday.  I decided to try it out and played 2 silver games with my duration specced GI with a Talon III.  I scored 2nd in the first game (just a few hundred points off the leader) and 1st the second game.  I also got a ton of revives and completed most of the objectives in both rounds.  In fact, if it weren't for all the running around and NOT killing while doing the objectives, I would have easily been #1 in both rounds.  And I'm not some elite gold player who dropped into silver - I usually play silver.  So.... yeah, they're still pretty good.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Not all threads posted really make me laugh, but I have to admit that I LOL'd. Really made my day, thank you.
"Infiltrators unplayable..." ha. snicker. snort. snicker

[neoskeptic2]

15 revives? Your team sucked, just saying. hahaha.

on topic: Maybe the melee infil build would be better? It's not as dependent on weapon damage.

[Pichsterz]

Infiltrators class are fine.

[BLY78NOR]

caldo15 wrote...

 Wow, they really nerfed this class, the Geth infiltrator is unplayable with this balance change, tactical cloak is way too short, the damage from my black widow is really weak. Just played a round where we had to get the four access points, I was killed every time I de-cloaked. I consider myself a good player, I usually finish 1st or 2nd every round, but they really took the fun out of this class. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

Well you're not, good players adapt, most have and can still get the most out INF

[A Wild Snorlax]

They kind of ruined non-krysae snipers with the nerf.

They are still the best class in the game regardless. Just don't snipe....

[vDarkEaglev]

neoskeptic2 wrote...

15 revives? Your team sucked, just saying. hahaha.

on topic: Maybe the melee infil build would be better? It's not as dependent on weapon damage.

I was quite successful with my Human Infil melee build. (I was finishing first on most matches but armored targets were a little tough for me to handle alone) Though I still wish the TC duration wasn't cut in half with basic maybe shave 2 seconds off but cutting it in half was a little too harsh IMHO. 

One thing I must mention though is the boost to Human Adept melee is amazing 

Modifié par vDarkEaglev, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .

[ToaOrka]

Beerfish wrote...

I guess you perhaps proved you were not as good of a player as you thought.

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[LeandroBraz]

caldo15 wrote...

 Wow, they really nerfed this class, the Geth infiltrator is unplayable with this balance change, tactical cloak is way too short, the damage from my black widow is really weak. Just played a round where we had to get the four access points, I was killed every time I de-cloaked. I consider myself a good player, I usually finish 1st or 2nd every round, but they really took the fun out of this class. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

Question: If it's unplayable, how there's people that still playing it?

 Actually I felt little difference on the number of infiltrators showing up in the lobbies. This mean the class still playable, right? people is playing, so it's playable...

 I will play a infiltrator this weekend, I was busy with biotics, making screen shake and sh*t...



edit: I like how this nerf is showing who really are good infiltrators players, and who only played it because it was OP. Now we have more guys really good at it running around, an less bad players hidding behind the cloak..

Modifié par LeandroBraz, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

 

[GroverA125]

With weight not added into the equation, the Black widow is perfectly usable on a non-infiltrator class, even those who are power focused and have low weapon damage bonuses. Same can be said for the Krysae, Valiant and any other weapon used by infiltrators. The shortened timespan is a brilliant way of encouraging the use of duration evolutions and now means that the Infiltrator will struggle at specializing in team support and individual damage. It's no longer an ace of all trades, now it's king in damage, and jack in team support. Damage still outmatches any other type of build out there, and there's nothing stopping you going for the duration, while keeping a decent damage output.

If you find them completely unplayable, then perhaps you should re-do the 101s of ME3 Multiplayer.

And before people begin saying that "they should just buff up everything else to infiltrator level", note that it's a stupid idea, and achieves the same results as debuffing them does, albeit taking far more time and a lot more late nights at the office for the balancing team. If they buffed everything up to infiltrator level, then they would have to buff the enemies to compensate for this, as escalation ends and a balance is reached, the infiltrator is still worse off, and all you've really done is spend a month or two doing what you could have done in a week.

The duration drop is perfectly fine. Don't make me start using Javelin missile examples to support the argument. 4 seconds is plenty of time to move yourself somewhere else, if you can't do it in that, then spend an evolution on duration. If you want to keep the damage, then keep it, but you've got to lose something.

Modifié par GroverA125, 05 juillet 2012 - 09:53 .

[caldo15]

I guess I worded this wrong, unplayable if you use the black widow as the GI. I used to score easily over 100K on gold with this class. I just tried using the black widow against the geth and the widow does not do as much damage as before the nerf. someone brought up the Krysae. I still have not unlocked this weapon. i have almost every weapon in the game besides this one. Out of all the weapons that should be nerfed or banned, it should be the Krysae. right now I'm using the GI with the Indra, but I might switch to the GE. As for the GI, I just wished that they would have improved the amount of heath the class has, because with hunter mode on, it's soft as hell

[m4dh4xx0r]

They're still playable, but I think sniper rifles need a buff. About the only thing I can one-shot anymore with a Mantis X are husks.

[BooPi]

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

They're still playable, but I think sniper rifles need a buff. About the only thing I can one-shot anymore with a Mantis X are husks.

Aim for the head.

[GroverA125]

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

They're still playable, but I think sniper rifles need a buff. About the only thing I can one-shot anymore with a Mantis X are husks.

Mantis, Incisor, Raptor, Viper, Javelin and Indra sniper rifles all seem a fair bit weaker than their low capacity semi-automatic alternatives. On gold, there is little point to any single-shot sniper other than the Kishock. High-capacity semi-automatics and automatic snipers don't have the DPS to make up for their lower armor capability.

Every sniper rifle other than the Black Widow, N7 Valiant, Kishock and Krysae could do with a buff, primarily to give them some form of advantage over the above mentioned weapons. With Bioware's new look on weapon stats (the removal of weapon-individual modifiers, like in ME2), there's little use to any rapid-fire weapon that doesn't have an immense DPS.

[Shampoohorn]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

 

= 1000 words.

[Kick In The Door]

Infiltrators are a gimped class. They hit like limp dicks on a ladyboy's ass.

I can't even 1 shot brutes no more. I can't just slaughter everything without ever needing to slow down and think.

This hurts me.

Thinking hurts me.

LoL.

[Taddl]

The infiltrator is still very good, just aim for the head. If you use the vulnerability gear and for example the valiant I and take the weapon damage upgrade in the class ability. You can single headshot the trooper class enemies without cloak on gold. Two shots for Centurio class enemies(one for shield, one for the health). If you use the black widow you shouldnt have a problem(if you aim for the head).

[Mike 9987]

Now you must choose between support and damage. They are not unplayable.

[Atheosis]

GI is still arguably the best class in the game. If you think it's "unplayable" you are a very bad player. Period.

[A Wild Snorlax]

BooPi wrote...

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

They're still playable, but I think sniper rifles need a buff. About the only thing I can one-shot anymore with a Mantis X are husks.

Aim for the head.

With that in mind, why would you ever pick them over shotguns. Or even a Paladin :/

[SolidBeast]

neoskeptic2 wrote...
on topic: Maybe the melee infil build would be better? It's not as dependent on weapon damage.

Are you kidding? All infiltrators are playable except the melee specced infiltrator (GI). The short cloak doesn't allow him to run up in the middle of mobs to get a chance to drop a proxy and melee, and the longer cloak makes him unable to do significant damage to melee and survive. This makes him dependant on high-level amps (which are not endless, and I prefer a class that is strong without them) and using his weapon. And using the weapon in 90% of cases with a melee build is just redundant when you've got other infiltrators specced for weapon damage that could make better use of it.
Where I previously wrecked on gold, I now have trouble surviving on silver (no amps). This makes this character not fun to play and thus unplayable for me.