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[Rokayt]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

astheoceansblue wrote...

No, they're not.

Kronner wrote...

Take the Duration evolution if you feel you need a longer Cloak.

Being the guy who holds himself to the school of  "Ill never spec for duration and/or rivive teamates" will feel the pain playing as an infiltraitor. A damage infiltraitor can still be done, its just much harder then it was before, and I approve of the change.

[underm1nd]

caldo15 wrote...

 Wow, they really nerfed this class, the Geth infiltrator is unplayable with this balance change, tactical cloak is way too short, the damage from my black widow is really weak. Just played a round where we had to get the four access points, I was killed every time I de-cloaked. I consider myself a good player, I usually finish 1st or 2nd every round, but they really took the fun out of this class. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

Haha if you really were the good player that you really think you are you wouldnt have had any problems... I rarely play infiltrators but decided to play around with them after the tac cloack nerf and srsly they are still as good as they were before. I never get the last evolution of cloack and i still pwn with sniper or shotgun infiltrators(even though i havent played with a sniper infiltrator in like 2 months....)  Only difference is that you cant run up to an objective surrounded by a mob of enemies...

And whats that about the bw being rly weak?! I top gold matches with 100k + points with a turian soldier with bw....

[spudspot]

neoskeptic2 wrote...

on topic: Maybe the melee infil build would be better? It's not as dependent on weapon damage.

But on the TC duration. I've been told - could never handle a Melee GI - that this build suffered hard from the nerf.

[P51Mus7ang]

Not at all, I just posted in another thread I just finished three games with GI's and we rocked in, this was a PUG, my buddy on a friends list is a GI, he said the changes were no big deal and yes we play gold often. It's is in his words, an adjustment.

[Taddl]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

BooPi wrote...

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

They're still playable, but I think sniper rifles need a buff. About the only thing I can one-shot anymore with a Mantis X are husks.

Aim for the head.

With that in mind, why would you ever pick them over shotguns. Or even a Paladin :/

with the viper on silver for example you kill a trooper with one headshot and a centurion with two(without cloak) and you dont have to stand next to them and the viper reloads much faster than most(or all?) shotguns. And you can even shoot 2 times before you decloak.

[SterlingPhoenix]

I still play infiltrators when I join a gold game and nobody else is playing one. I tend to go with female quarian if I know there's going to be geth, or male if I don't know what's going to be out there. I also tend to bunker down somewhere and snipe.

I don't have a problem running around and getting the objectives. The trick here though is that the other people on your team need to know not to follow you around, and to draw all the enemies to where they are.

I also like to do the pizza deliveries with an infiltrator. You can cloak and run to the object, and then HOPEFULLY the other people on the team have enough of the enemies distracted so you can walk slowly to the LZ. Then you can cloak and run the hell out of there. Works really well if you have a half-competent team with you.

[Meatiershower]

caldo15 wrote...

I guess I worded this wrong, unplayable if you use the black widow as the GI. I used to score easily over 100K on gold with this class. I just tried using the black widow against the geth and the widow does not do as much damage as before the nerf. someone brought up the Krysae. I still have not unlocked this weapon. i have almost every weapon in the game besides this one. Out of all the weapons that should be nerfed or banned, it should be the Krysae. right now I'm using the GI with the Indra, but I might switch to the GE. As for the GI, I just wished that they would have improved the amount of heath the class has, because with hunter mode on, it's soft as hell

http://social.biowar.../index/12806317

15% loss of damage isn't unplayable. I'm doing fine with my Salarian and FQI, and I suck compared to most other infiltrator players.

[LadyAlekto]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Infiltrators are not unplayable, they're just no longer the go-to class for noobs attempting to play above their difficulty level.

-An infiltrator

Agreed

Except that i either catch more stray bullets recently, or that some enemys are really determined to see me dead....

[Rokayt]

Taddl wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

BooPi wrote...

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

They're still playable, but I think sniper rifles need a buff. About the only thing I can one-shot anymore with a Mantis X are husks.

Aim for the head.

With that in mind, why would you ever pick them over shotguns. Or even a Paladin :/

with the viper on silver for example you kill a trooper with one headshot and a centurion with two(without cloak) and you dont have to stand next to them and the viper reloads much faster than most(or all?) shotguns. And you can even shoot 2 times before you decloak.

Those headshot moduels are insanely powerfull.

You can almost hit for 1200% of your weapons damage (Without the sniper evolution! really,) making any complaining about one shots moot.

(The highest base damage multiplier you can get for a gun with all the headshot bonuses is 2.95 The highest headshot multiplier is close to 3.9. With the sniper bonus on tactical cloak, you get to multiply all that by 1.25. Thats a healthy 1500% damage multiplier if I am right?  In fact, it may be higher depending on whether or not I interpreted one of Fagnans statements correctly.)

[Invader Nemesis]

Infiltrator class is still good, you just have to learn to deal with the changes that were made. Set up your stuff a little drifferently or try using different weapons. Find a new way to play but make it work for you.

[The Waffle Cat]

-bw was made crap by it
>players get encouraged to use the krysae even more.

[WARMACHINE9]

Its not unplayable but I did have to trade in my low level valiant and black widow for my widow x as the damage from them was lacking. Also You have to get better at hitting head shots to maximize damage which I think is a good thing as thats the type of thing snipers are supposed to do. And just because you max for damage not duration doesn't make you less of a team player, you just have to be more careful doing things like the other classes.

[xcrunr1647]

No, they're not.

[Bladedrummer]

astheoceansblue wrote...

No, they're not.

[PaunchyCyclops]

spudspot wrote...

neoskeptic2 wrote...

on topic: Maybe the melee infil build would be better? It's not as dependent on weapon damage.

But on the TC duration. I've been told - could never handle a Melee GI - that this build suffered hard from the nerf.

I always specced my GIM for duration, so there is no loss here.

[Credit2team]

"you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means"

[Mozts]

Why this thread got five stars? BSN always astonishes me.

[VRtheTrooper]

lol....i don't get how the nerf made a difference to play style. i can barely tell a difference, unless i'm fighting bosses. other than that, dmg is fine, duration is fine. you don't need to be cloaked to do anything but power>shoot.

[The Waffle Cat]

Mozts wrote...

Why this thread got five stars? BSN always astonishes me.

>op rates 5 stars

> no-one can be arsed to give less

[SomeKindaEnigma]

 No.  I still finish first or second most rounds as an infiltrator.  It's a little more challenging, but it's fine

[Immaculate J]

ON gold shield gating means you pretty much do the same damage per shot against everything aside from primes with the black widow. Still on a 15.4% drop in damage

[cuzIMgood]

caldo15 wrote...

 Wow, they really nerfed this class, the Geth infiltrator is unplayable with this balance change, tactical cloak is way too short, the damage from my black widow is really weak. Just played a round where we had to get the four access points, I was killed every time I de-cloaked. I consider myself a good player, I usually finish 1st or 2nd every round, but they really took the fun out of this class. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

It was broken.  I'm sorry but you must be terrible as the infiltrator is still the best class in the game.

[superligerzero]

They seem fine to me. I don't use cloak or hunter mode and seem to do fine without them if not better then others do using them.

[WARMACHINE9]

cuzIMgood wrote...

caldo15 wrote...

 Wow, they really nerfed this class, the Geth infiltrator is unplayable with this balance change, tactical cloak is way too short, the damage from my black widow is really weak. Just played a round where we had to get the four access points, I was killed every time I de-cloaked. I consider myself a good player, I usually finish 1st or 2nd every round, but they really took the fun out of this class. If it ain't broken don't fix it.

It was broken.  I'm sorry but you must be terrible as the infiltrator is still the best class in the game.

Actually engineers are the best class in the game,. we're just quiet about it cause we don't want to get nerfed. Can you say best options in any cirimstances? I can its called HE.