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[capn233]

On relatively high damage per shot weapons, Warp Ammo's extra 5% damage bonus makes it superior against armor compared to AP ammo because that bonus overcomes the difference in weakening vs piercing.

Modifié par capn233, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:25 .

[Rokayt]

Warp ammo does 70% more to "Lifted targets" as well. its already plenty strong.

IT most definitely strengthens otherwise terrible powers such as pull and singularity (As well as shock-waves lift ability. Missing anything here?)

It also causes targets armor to start absorbing 75% less damage as well.

Its the best ammo power for already AP weapons if you ask me.

[Bladedrummer]

Air Quotes wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Yuanrang wrote...

If Warp Ammo primed targets for Biotic Explosions, then you would definately see a clear nerf to either Warp Ammo or Biotic Explosions. If BEs were as strong as they are now, with a very strong Ammo power making them very common, then that would just make the WA+BE combination grossly overpowered.

Ironically, this is not a major problem with Tech Bursts because they are fairly weak and very easy to trigger, regardless. Disruptor ammo is not god's gift to an ammo-consuming player, either.

I'm fine with Warp ammo damage nerf. They could prime the target and triggering it would cause low force and damage multiplier explosions. Or even just stagger them. 

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Distruptor ammo. Shoot shoot shoot, incinerate, shoot shoot, overload, shoot, arc grenade, extraction complete. 

You're forgetting that Tech Bursts are not in the same damage magnitude as biotic explosions.

[Meatiershower]

Bladedrummer wrote...
You're forgetting that Tech Bursts are not in the same damage magnitude as biotic explosions.

You also have to kill your target with the detonator. You don't with BE's. The battlefield would be insanity if WA primed targets.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Warp ammo debuffs the target, AP ammo does "more" damage to the target. Warp works for the entire team while AP works on the player using it. Warp ammo is soppose to trigger BEs but like everything else in this game...doesn't work.

[L-train32]

Warp ammo is great against barriers

[eran5005]

Tech ammo sets up bursts cause bursts are harder to get (you need the target to die from the power for the burst to happen), so ammo setting up for bursts is just a way to even out the field between BE and TB. And it still not even, since ammo is a consumable in MP while biotics are free of charge.
Besides, warp ammo setting up BE would be ridiculously overpowered.

[RedCaesar97]

eran5005 wrote...

Tech ammo sets up bursts cause bursts are harder to get (you need the target to die from the power for the burst to happen), so ammo setting up for bursts is just a way to even out the field between BE and TB. And it still not even, since ammo is a consumable in MP while biotics are free of charge..

Incorrect. Tech bursts only need an electrical primer (such as Overload, Energy Drain, Disruptor Ammo, or Sabotage) followed by a direct damage or force power (such as Concussive Shot, Throw, Incinerate or Overload; Overload will not detonate Overload). You do not need to kill the target to detonate a tech burst.

Tech Bursts and Biotic Explosions deal the same amount of base damage, but certain Biotic powers such as Warp, Throw and Shockwave have evolutions that can increase the amount of explosion damage.

Fire and cryo explosions require setting the target on fire/freezing the target. The detonating power for a fire/cryo explosion must kill the enemy (unlike tech bursts).

Take the Saber/Viper/Carnifex/Paladin on a Human/Turian Soldier with Concussive Shot, slap on Disruptor Ammo and set off Tech Bursts every 2 seconds (shoot > Concussive Shot = Tech burst!).

[sclera]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Warp ammo debuffs the target

[citation needed]

[Icophesis]

Although it doesn't prime biotics, it does do increased damage against lifted targets.

[ToYz_R_RusH]

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

[Topographer]

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

[cgtrfghj7]

Topographer wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

[TRUUU24]

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Topographer wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

[RoZh2400]

Yep, Warp does more damage (and also affects barriers, and actually doubles on barriers), so actually it's like this:
Against Health/Armor:
Warp: 15/25/35/60%
AP: 10/20/30/50%

Against Barriers:
Warp: 30/50/70/120%
AP: 0/0/0/0%

Note: All additive percentages

[RoZh2400]

TRUUU24 wrote...

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Topographer wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

That's only true because of the Atlas triple-shot bug and because Warp does not penetrate armor, while AP does.

Try using the Black Widow with AP IV and Warp IV. You will notice the Warp IV doing more. And try warping the atlas first, then you'll notice the BW doing significantly more damage per shot, even if you warped it then used the BW with AP IV.

[ToYz_R_RusH]

RoZh2400 wrote...

TRUUU24 wrote...

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Topographer wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

That's only true because of the Atlas triple-shot bug and because Warp does not penetrate armor, while AP does.

Try using the Black Widow with AP IV and Warp IV. You will notice the Warp IV doing more. And try warping the atlas first, then you'll notice the BW doing significantly more damage per shot, even if you warped it then used the BW with AP IV.

Why on earth would I bring Warp rounds if I'm going to bring a character with warp?  Warp + Inc. Rounds = WAAAY more powerful than warp + any other rounds.  And unless the triple-shot bug affects the back of an atlas as well as the canopy, your first statement is incorrect.

[Ant_Ghoman]

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

RoZh2400 wrote...

TRUUU24 wrote...

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Topographer wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

That's only true because of the Atlas triple-shot bug and because Warp does not penetrate armor, while AP does.

Try using the Black Widow with AP IV and Warp IV. You will notice the Warp IV doing more. And try warping the atlas first, then you'll notice the BW doing significantly more damage per shot, even if you warped it then used the BW with AP IV.

Why on earth would I bring Warp rounds if I'm going to bring a character with warp?  Warp + Inc. Rounds = WAAAY more powerful than warp + any other rounds.  And unless the triple-shot bug affects the back of an atlas as well as the canopy, your first statement is incorrect.

Because warp round increase damage to target that already in Biotic Power
Warp (Power) Will weaken the target armor
AP mode Ignore some percent of target armor efficiency

Combine AP+Warp+Warp Round on Black Widdow / any powerful weapon will create an awesome significant damage.

correct me if i am wrong.:innocent:

[SavagelyEpic]

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU DO THIS?

[Asebstos]

I was all set to call out Air Quotes on being ridiculous for proposing this, but holy **** this is an old thread. When you searched for this, ToyzRrush, what parameters did you use and how deep was this thread?

[ToYz_R_RusH]

Ant_Ghoman wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

RoZh2400 wrote...

TRUUU24 wrote...

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Topographer wrote...

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I dunno, maybe I'm doing it wrong...

Me vs Atlas using Harrier IX (magazine upgrade / extended barrel):
AP IV- 3 clips, Atlas = dead.
Warp IV- 4 clips, Atlas = almost broke through the shields...

Personally, I say AP rounds win.

This guy.

That's only true because of the Atlas triple-shot bug and because Warp does not penetrate armor, while AP does.

Try using the Black Widow with AP IV and Warp IV. You will notice the Warp IV doing more. And try warping the atlas first, then you'll notice the BW doing significantly more damage per shot, even if you warped it then used the BW with AP IV.

Why on earth would I bring Warp rounds if I'm going to bring a character with warp?  Warp + Inc. Rounds = WAAAY more powerful than warp + any other rounds.  And unless the triple-shot bug affects the back of an atlas as well as the canopy, your first statement is incorrect.

Because warp round increase damage to target that already in Biotic Power
Warp (Power) Will weaken the target armor
AP mode Ignore some percent of target armor efficiency

Combine AP+Warp+Warp Round on Black Widdow / any powerful weapon will create an awesome significant damage.

correct me if i am wrong.:innocent:

While what you said is true, the damage being done to the target would mostly be coming from the character that has AP rounds, not warp rounds.  If you're going to be using the Warp power, inc. ammo will do more damage to a target than AP rounds, Warp rounds, or any combination of them.  Well, technically, I guess it'd be the warp doing the damage, not the inc. rounds, but still...  (I assume you're familiar with the warp + Inc. ammo bug?)