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[ralphfromdk]

Even though the IT is still canon in my own head, let's take everything in as shown to us, shall we?

My Shepard deserved better.

I mean, come on. He just saved the galaxy. He even cured the genophage, and made sure the Quarians got their home planet back.( The Geth were there for a short while, but if the kid is right, they are now dead)
The dude is a miracel worker. Space Jesus! 

And what does he get for all his hard work?

-Get shot by Harbinger. Okay, no biggy, it's only a couple of burns, we can walk this of.
-Get shot in the shoulder by Marauder Shields. Auch. Okay, slight bleeding, but we are still standing.
-Encounter TIM, and start bleeding all over the place afterwards. From a new wound that came out of no where. Yay. More bleeding. The guy sure must have a lot of blood in him.
-Then black out after huge bloodloss. Only reason he got up again was the kid making him.
-Shoot a tube and have the thing blow up in his face. That one has to hurt, seeing as he has no shields left to save him. Those got burned away with most of his armor.
-Get coverd in debri from the Citadel blowing up around him. Well sh*t. We are ****ed now. (I'm going with him being some where on the Citadel, since falling back to earth AND living is a little far out there)

Finally he wakes up, takes a breath, only to realise that he is alone, covered in blown up spacestation. bleeding from multiple wounds and big parts of his body coverd in laser burns. And on top of that, if the Reaper kid was right, now all his implants have stopped working to. He kinda needed those.
What a way to go. Like a true hero. Glorys isn't it?

What the f*ck. How did he deserve this? Is it a punishment for not picking synth or control?

And please, don't go "oh but it it's okay, the crew is coming to find him since they didn't put his name on the wall"
Yeah, I got that one too. But the best case for that is a couple of days before any one finds him, or even start looking for survivers. Plus, they will propably start on Earth and make sure they find every one there before checking on the Citadel.
Plus, that thing is huge. The Citadel got f'ed up, and there's no telling where he ended up.
Shepard isn't going to last all that long with all that has happend to him. It's a miracle that he is even still alive at that point.

Side note: They apparently know that Anderson is dead. How? And in the same scene they are ready to declare Shep dead. And, even if the crew is coming for him, thinking that he lived though it all, it's going to take them a while seeing as there is no mass relays to use right now. Not knowing where they crashlanded, I'm guessing it's going to take them at least a couple of days, maybe weeks, to get back to the Sol system.

Bioware wanted me to speculate, and speculate I did. And I don't like the result.

[ralphfromdk]

Bump for FTL board. It's fueled by spacemagic I tell you!

[Billyg3453]

I'm not touching the IT part, but personally, we know Bioware wanted to leave the ending open.

1) Squads Alive
2) Shep's Alive.

The clear implication is reunion.

[Invisibilly]

 This bothered me as well. Shepard is lucky if he has a few minutes before he dies and his crew is off on some random world. It would take time for them to return to earth, time shepard doesnt have. I guess rescue crews could find him, but like you said the citadel is huge.

[Legion of 1337]

Since all the other endings clearly flat out show Shepard's death, there is no reason for them to include the breath scene unless they intended for Shepard to live in that ending.

You have to look at it from the perspective of someone who has NOT played the game. They'd start out assuming Shepard was dead, as you're pretty much supposed to think, but then he's shown to be alive at the end. It's supposed to be a surprise, a last bit of good news.

[Reorte]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

Since all the other endings clearly flat out show Shepard's death, there is no reason for them to include the breath scene unless they intended for Shepard to live in that ending.

I think it's fairly safe to say that that's the intention but it's also metagaming. Also, it relies on literary convention and cliche to get the message across instead of evidence and I have a hard time instinctively accepting something on that basis alone.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard is alive in that ending. Metagaming or not, it says so in the file name, and has been confirmed via twitter.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Billyg3453 wrote...

I'm not touching the IT part, but personally, we know Bioware wanted to leave the ending open.

1) Squads Alive
2) Shep's Alive.

The clear implication is reunion.

This.

[alsonamedbort]

Billyg3453 wrote...

I'm not touching the IT part, but personally, we know Bioware wanted to leave the ending open.

1) Squads Alive
2) Shep's Alive.

The clear implication is reunion.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Shepard is alive in that ending. Metagaming or not, it says so in the file name, and has been confirmed via twitter.

The end.

[Fogg]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Billyg3453 wrote...

I'm not touching the IT part, but personally, we know Bioware wanted to leave the ending open.

1) Squads Alive
2) Shep's Alive.

The clear implication is reunion.

This.

And the Normandy can still fly. So your love interest won't get lonely and repopulate that jungle planet with James.

[Taddl]

He died before, so why shouldnt they be able to revive him again? After all he saved the whole galaxy (except for the synthetics).

[D24O]

Gooby. Pls.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

I think it was meant to be the "sweet" part of "bitter-sweet" that Bioware claimed the ending was, if you watch the ending for the first time you watch Shepard seemingly die, again, and save the vast majority of the galactic population but at the cost of himself and leaving your love one (if you had one) alone in the galaxy. But then at the end there is a tiny shimmer of hope for Shepard when you see an unmarked corpse with N7 dog-tags take a breath underneath a pile of debris that could be the mighty Shepard even though it's a long shot that it's actually him since so many N7's got killed in the war.

Just something to ponder about really, could Shepard live to see the end of the greatest galactic threat that's ever existed and retire peacefully as a hero or are we just being a bit too hopeful?

[marcustheMezz]

I was already going nuts when Shep gets hit by Harby's laser and survived, when the same thing just wiped out like 10 tanks, a bunch of aircraft, and like a few hundred soldiers without a single survivor other than Anderson.

[Legion of 1337]

People just want some big reunion scene where Shepard waltzes in, high fives Joker, kisses his LI and has a beer with Garrus before flying off. It would be touching, but it would also take away shock from the "He's Alive" surprise. You don't have to agree that it was the best way to do it, I'm just saying that's why they did it that way.

[Reorte]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Shepard is alive in that ending. Metagaming or not, it says so in the file name, and has been confirmed via twitter.

Wow, there's great storytelling for you, dig around in the game files and read Twitter messages to find the missing pieces. When it comes to knowing what happened only what's in the game itself matters. A later release or DLC that contradicts the previous games will get criticised for it, if it contradicts some Twitter message it means nothing.

[alsonamedbort]

Reorte wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Shepard is alive in that ending. Metagaming or not, it says so in the file name, and has been confirmed via twitter.

Wow, there's great storytelling for you, dig around in the game files and read Twitter messages to find the missing pieces. When it comes to knowing what happened only what's in the game itself matters. A later release or DLC that contradicts the previous games will get criticised for it, if it contradicts some Twitter message it means nothing.

All you need to see that Shepard is alive is in the game.  The rest of the info is just gravy, meant mostly to contradict people who refuse to see the truth.

[Reorte]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

People just want some big reunion scene where Shepard waltzes in, high fives Joker, kisses his LI and has a beer with Garrus before flying off. It would be touching, but it would also take away shock from the "He's Alive" surprise. You don't have to agree that it was the best way to do it, I'm just saying that's why they did it that way.

Why they did it and what it's all intended to mean is, I think, fairly well agreed. There's just a lot of people who think that it's no good doing it that way. Style over substance.

[Ice Eyes]

OP, you'll never be better than Commander Shepard.

[Reorte]

alsonamedbort wrote...

All you need to see that Shepard is alive is in the game.  The rest of the info is just gravy, meant mostly to contradict people who refuse to see the truth.

The memorial scene means nothing. The LI has no way of knowing. We see (probably) Shepard looking and sounding just about alive in some rubble, and not in a good state. Taking it beyond that relies on literary cliche and convention. If you take that scant evidence as truth I hope you're never on a jury.

[MassEffect762]

I will say it again, they should've waited till the very very very last minute of the game(after credits, after Pedobear) to show a reunion scene.

[Reorte]

MassEffect762 wrote...

I will say it again, they should've waited till the very very very last minute of the game(after credits, after Pedobear) to show a reunion scene.

That would've worked.

[Billyg3453]

Reorte wrote...

The memorial scene means nothing. The LI has no way of knowing. We see (probably) Shepard looking and sounding just about alive in some rubble, and not in a good state. Taking it beyond that relies on literary cliche and convention. If you take that scant evidence as truth I hope you're never on a jury.

The memorial scene is symbolic. Sheps name goes up in every ending except High EMS destroy, where we see Shepard still breathes. And then we have been told by several Devs and the file name itself that Shepard lives.

If that's not enough evidence for you, I hope you're not on a jury.

[alsonamedbort]

Reorte wrote...

alsonamedbort wrote...

All you need to see that Shepard is alive is in the game.  The rest of the info is just gravy, meant mostly to contradict people who refuse to see the truth.

The memorial scene means nothing. The LI has no way of knowing. We see (probably) Shepard looking and sounding just about alive in some rubble, and not in a good state. Taking it beyond that relies on literary cliche and convention. If you take that scant evidence as truth I hope you're never on a jury.

Well luckily for everyone involved this is not a trial, so your jury statement means absolutely nothing.