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[Xilizhra]

iakus wrote...

Johnners91 wrote...
And what fate should Shepard have had? Apart from a common foe (the Reapers), I suspect my Shepard and your Shepard would have little in common. My Shepard was determined to join the NY Mets, eat Rice Krispies and campaign for the rights of Turian women if he could overcome the Reapers, and who are Bioware to tell me what he might otherwise do afterwards?

What fate?

Found by an Alliance rescue team

Waking up in a hospital, possibly with Joker or a LI looking in on you.

What Shepard does with the rest of his/her life afterwards can be speculated all you like.  but for now, the first step is confirming Shepard gets off the Citadel alive.

Mine personally would resign from the Alliance, among other things.

[Sundance31us]

As a side note...

Did anyone notice the name of song 05 of the EC soundtrack?

[Johnners91]

iakus wrote...

Johnners91 wrote...
And what fate should Shepard have had? Apart from a common foe (the Reapers), I suspect my Shepard and your Shepard would have little in common. My Shepard was determined to join the NY Mets, eat Rice Krispies and campaign for the rights of Turian women if he could overcome the Reapers, and who are Bioware to tell me what he might otherwise do afterwards?

What fate?

Found by an Alliance rescue team

Waking up in a hospital, possibly with Joker or a LI looking in on you.

What Shepard does with the rest of his/her life afterwards can be speculated all you like.  but for now, the first step is confirming Shepard gets off the Citadel alive.

You make it sound like Shepard's a real person. If Bioware were journalists, and Shepard was a real person, I'd be worried by the lack of confirmation.

But as drama, that final breath is surely a far more visceral and memorable ending than Shepard sitting in a hospital bed with a smile on his face...cut to end credits. If you want Shepard alive, then Shepard breathing (usually a indication of life)....well it's looking pretty good for you isn't it.

(unless your a severe pessimmist. Hey, maybe Shepard is alive but completely paralyzed, if that makes you feel any better. Poor Shepard! Damn you Bioware, how on earth will i be  able to sleep tonight)

[Xilizhra]

But as drama, that final breath is surely a far more visceral and memorable ending than Shepard sitting in a hospital bed with a smile on his face...cut to end credits. If you want Shepard alive, then Shepard breathing (usually a indication of life)....well it's looking pretty good for you isn't it.

For one thing, why? For another, why do we want that at the end of a trilogy? It'd work in ME2, but here it's just mistimed.

[Xilizhra]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But as drama, that final breath is surely a far more visceral and memorable ending than Shepard sitting in a hospital bed with a smile on his face...cut to end credits. If you want Shepard alive, then Shepard breathing (usually a indication of life)....well it's looking pretty good for you isn't it.

For one thing, why? For another, why do we want that at the end of a trilogy? It'd work in ME2, but here it's just mistimed.

Everyone would pick destroy if BioWare had shown Shepard having fun time with it's crew/friends. 

Unless they particularly like one of the others, which many do.

[naes1984]

There are worse ways to die. At least my Shepherd died with his pants on.

[Vox Draco]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But as drama, that final breath is surely a far more visceral and memorable ending than Shepard sitting in a hospital bed with a smile on his face...cut to end credits. If you want Shepard alive, then Shepard breathing (usually a indication of life)....well it's looking pretty good for you isn't it.

For one thing, why? For another, why do we want that at the end of a trilogy? It'd work in ME2, but here it's just mistimed.

Everyone would pick destroy if BioWare had shown Shepard having fun time with it's crew/friends. 

I don't think so. I think a lot of people still would take other endings as well, for whatever reasons they might have. And nothing wrong about it, but destroy and shepard being alive is simply everything combined what the majority (and I am using this word here now asI am sure it is the majority!) of fans had hoped and wished for!

And personally Bioware could have saved itself so much trouble and work if they had just skipped the entire ideas of control and synthesis alltogether from the sart and jsut focused on destroying the reapers and basing the outcome for positive or negative, alive or not on EMS and our decisions and completion of the game...

Let's be honest with ourselves: Nobody ever thought about something like synthesis when thinking about ME3 (control maybe, it is still evil and horrorfying and insane and death for shepard so no option for me, but at least is a little more in line with the game itself as a bad and evil outcome)

[vallore]

Johnners91 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Johnners91 wrote...
And what fate should Shepard have had? Apart from a common foe (the Reapers), I suspect my Shepard and your Shepard would have little in common. My Shepard was determined to join the NY Mets, eat Rice Krispies and campaign for the rights of Turian women if he could overcome the Reapers, and who are Bioware to tell me what he might otherwise do afterwards?

What fate?

Found by an Alliance rescue team

Waking up in a hospital, possibly with Joker or a LI looking in on you.

What Shepard does with the rest of his/her life afterwards can be speculated all you like.  but for now, the first step is confirming Shepard gets off the Citadel alive.

You make it sound like Shepard's a real person. If Bioware were journalists, and Shepard was a real person, I'd be worried by the lack of confirmation.

But as drama, that final breath is surely a far more visceral and memorable ending than Shepard sitting in a hospital bed with a smile on his face...cut to end credits. If you want Shepard alive, then Shepard breathing (usually a indication of life)....well it's looking pretty good for you isn't it.

(unless your a severe pessimmist. Hey, maybe Shepard is alive but completely paralyzed, if that makes you feel any better. Poor Shepard! Damn you Bioware, how on earth will i be  able to sleep tonight)

It ‘s about closure. Show the immediate consequences, not just hint at them. Bioware tried to leave all at the hint level with the vanilla endings, and we saw how well that worked... Well, they corrected that part, for the other endings. If they had been consistent, then they would also have shown the immediate aftermath of Shepard surviving. What the long term consequences would be, that would be for the player’s imagination, but not the short term ones.

And I disagree. It doesn’t feel more poignant to see the torso of “someone” that probably may be Shepard taking a breath, than actually seeing her in a hospital bed, at first just laying there, eyes shut, unmoving, and suddenly opening her eyes for the first time, and the relief and worry of one of her companions as he or she realizes Shepard is really going to live.

[The_Shootist]

Elite Midget wrote...

Didn't you know? A hero surviving an epic journey isn't art.

Gilgamesh
Beowulf
Hercules
Ulysses

Frodo Baggins?

[DMWW]

The_Shootist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Didn't you know? A hero surviving an epic journey isn't art.

Gilgamesh
Beowulf
Hercules
Ulysses

Frodo Baggins?

Frodo didn't really survive. He went into the west with the elves, in what is a pretty naked metaphor for death.

[JBONE29]

Who said he was alone? it was a close up. In my head cannon, Shep was found by Wrex and Dr. Michelle, and ended up in ICU for a few months before reuniting with Liara and going on a bunch of archaeological digs with her. Also in my head cannon Feron takes over as Shadow Broker, EDI gets rebuilt, Tali and Garrus have a whirlwind love affair that ends with Garrus becoming a huge celebrity and Tali becoming a diplomat, the Krogan get the Salarians old Council seat with Wrex remaining in power on Tuchanka and Eve becoming the first Krogan Councilor, and Kahlee and Traynor become lovers.

[JBONE29]

DMWW wrote...

The_Shootist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Didn't you know? A hero surviving an epic journey isn't art.

Gilgamesh
Beowulf
Hercules
Ulysses

Frodo Baggins?

Frodo didn't really survive. He went into the west with the elves, in what is a pretty naked metaphor for death.

That happened years after the Scowering of the Shire.  He survived the journey and ended up dying later.  Beowulf however did die in his final adventure.

[Harorrd]

IF they wanted sheppard to live they would add a scene where he emerges from the smoldering remains of the Citadell, laughing and having icecream with his crew

[JBONE29]

Harorrd wrote...

IF they wanted sheppard to live they would add a scene where he emerges from the smoldering remains of the Citadell, laughing and having icecream with his crew

No they wouldn't because that wouldn't be art or lend to speculations.

[Iakus]

Harorrd wrote...

IF they wanted sheppard to live they would add a scene where he emerges from the smoldering remains of the Citadell, laughing and having icecream with his crew

Or at least an ME1 scene where Shepard climbs out of the rubble and limps towards his rescuers...

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Harorrd wrote...

IF they wanted sheppard to live they would add a scene where he emerges from the smoldering remains of the Citadell, laughing and having icecream with his crew

Now you've left me wondering if they make Dextro ice cream.

[djarlaks10]

iakus wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

IF they wanted sheppard to live they would add a scene where he emerges from the smoldering remains of the Citadell, laughing and having icecream with his crew

Or at least an ME1 scene where Shepard climbs out of the rubble and limps towards his rescuers...

Again, then there would be no "speculation for everyone" stuff and Destroy would be the perfect ending for the majority of people (yeah, you kill EDI and the geth, but who cares about some machines?). With the way it is now, you can easily headcannon what happened next the way you want. 

[DMWW]

JBONE29 wrote...

DMWW wrote...

The_Shootist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Didn't you know? A hero surviving an epic journey isn't art.

Gilgamesh
Beowulf
Hercules
Ulysses

Frodo Baggins?

Frodo didn't really survive. He went into the west with the elves, in what is a pretty naked metaphor for death.

That happened years after the Scowering of the Shire.  He survived the journey and ended up dying later.  Beowulf however did die in his final adventure.

I think you're misinterpreting the ending of LotR (not only ME3 has endings susceptible of multiple interpretation!) but I guess it would take us rather off-topic to pursue it...

[Reorte]

djarlaks10 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Harorrd wrote...

IF they wanted sheppard to live they would add a scene where he emerges from the smoldering remains of the Citadell, laughing and having icecream with his crew

Or at least an ME1 scene where Shepard climbs out of the rubble and limps towards his rescuers...

Again, then there would be no "speculation for everyone" stuff and Destroy would be the perfect ending for the majority of people (yeah, you kill EDI and the geth, but who cares about some machines?). With the way it is now, you can easily headcannon what happened next the way you want. 

Headcanon isn't canon, it's wishful thinking.  And there's nothing wrong with having a perfect ending if it's believable; why drag it down simply because the others can't stand on their own merits?

[riesenwiesel]

Just a random comment I found on youtube related to a video showing the Mass Effect 1 ending:
 

• "This might be my favorite moment from any game ever. My first time playing ME1 I jumped off the couch and yelled "F*CK YEAH!" when I saw Shepherd emerge from the rubble. I had tears in my eyes. I had so much hope for the future of Mass Effect back then....."

I think this explains what bothers me about the ME3 ending... 
yes, there is the breath scene... 
yes, it may pretty much mean the same as the ME1 ending... 
but it is just not an equal "F*CK YEAH"-moment like described above... 
there is really no "F*CK YEAH"-moment in any ME3 ending... 
and for me the trilogy should have been brought to an end with a "F*CK YEAH"

Modifié par riesenwiesel, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:58 .

[fchopin]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Shepard is alive in that ending. Metagaming or not, it says so in the file name, and has been confirmed via twitter.

What they say at twitter is irrelevant to me it’s what is in the game that is important.
 
The ending is left open so you can take it as you like.

[crimzontearz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...A piece of Citadel rubble could come crashing down on him/her for all we know.This could happen regardless of the amount of closure shown.We could show footage of a reunion... and just not show that Shepard's implants spontaneously explodes killing both of them.Given that the scene isn't shown coupled with the different scene at the memorial provides a juxtaposition that wouldn't be present unless it was trying to state something different.

you mean like when my warden died in DAO and was alive again in awakening?...or oghren? I'm sorry but no...I do not trust implicit things from Bioware anymore. Not giving a reunion was a **** move.

[wright1978]

if OP wants to headcanon it that Shep ends up dying from his/her wounds i guess that's their prerogative. Game tells us Shep is alive after explosion in High EMS destroy and what happens thereafter is open to individual interpretation. Shep lives scene should have been expanded properly in extended cut but someone was still in love with the dramatic gasp clip. Bioware handed me the reins with Shep alive and he/she will stay in that ending in my games.