I don't think this is a spoiler topic. I mean, is a big dragon in the game a spoiler? It has one on the cover, the intro, dragons are mentioned quite a bit in the game, and I think even the commercials had a CG fight against a high dragon. No spoilers here. Unless some yahoo comes along and post about more then the dragon.
To bioware:Is setting a bunch of traps to kill a high dragon a legit tactic?
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#27
Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:39
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Obviously I am far too tired to post right now. That made no sense. Ignore this post.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:44
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I read a book series once where a young prince elicits the help of the last living Dragon Slayer. He expects this mighty warrior of a man; when he found him he was astounded to find a smallish man standing in a pig wallow speaking enthusiastically and eruditely about the life cycle of pigs with a farmer. This was the mighty Dragon Slayer, the man whose exploits the prince had grown up hearing. Anyways, they go off to slay the dragon, reluctantly. The kid keeps hectoring the slayer with tales of his exploits, until finally the slayer snaps and says, "What, you think I rode up to him on a destrier with sword in hand? Many men have done that; they all died. You want to know how I REALLY killed the dragon? I waited until it was asleep in it's cave then snuck up and threw a poisoned harpoon into it; when it crawled half dead and sickened from it's cave I butchered it with an axe. Heroic, wasn't it?" (or something to that effect, been awhile since I read the book).
Setting traps to kill the dragon sounds cheesy. It goes against the heroism of battling this fearsome beast with your sword in hand. It's also SMART. Only a fool doesn't take every advantage he can get, especially when fighting something that can literally swallow you whole with one bite. Heck, you wouldn't hunt great white sharks with nothing but a knife and swim trunks, right? Why go against a giant flying lizard with just a sword?
Setting traps to kill the dragon sounds cheesy. It goes against the heroism of battling this fearsome beast with your sword in hand. It's also SMART. Only a fool doesn't take every advantage he can get, especially when fighting something that can literally swallow you whole with one bite. Heck, you wouldn't hunt great white sharks with nothing but a knife and swim trunks, right? Why go against a giant flying lizard with just a sword?
#29
Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:47
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Was his name Dalben? LOL
This thread notsomuch, but the OP linked to a hella spoiler thread - and the whole topic centers around Gameplay tactics (ie - the non-Campaign spoiler forum)
This thread notsomuch, but the OP linked to a hella spoiler thread - and the whole topic centers around Gameplay tactics (ie - the non-Campaign spoiler forum)
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:51
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You mentioned Dragonslayer, so I'll mention A Book Dragon. In the old days, the dragons called a single knight attempting to slaughter a dragon one thing: lunch. Dragons were taken out with squadrons and field artillery, not some idiot wrapped in steel with a pointy metal stick.
#31
Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:52
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Frankly, seeing where the big boss lies, then reload to set traps is not much different than attacking a boss, see that its attacks are nature-based then come back with 100% nature resistant armors and potions.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:54
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I've always liked the idea of a knight in shining armor riding up to a dragon. Always figured the dragon saw plate armor as a portable oven. It's like, a medieval Hot Pocket!
Of course, if the knight is wearing a kettle helmet...well, that's just ironic. Don't you think.
Of course, if the knight is wearing a kettle helmet...well, that's just ironic. Don't you think.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 05:56
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Not cheating, not /all that/ cheap. Now the trap tactics in BGII, those were cheap.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 07:08
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I guess most of you are too young to remember Diablo II in hell mode.
You had to alter your attack for nearly every group of monsters you ran into.
Some were immune to physical damage, you could turn a corner and the next group were immune to elemental damage. The tactic became "kill them by any means possible and try to stay alive"
You had to alter your attack for nearly every group of monsters you ran into.
Some were immune to physical damage, you could turn a corner and the next group were immune to elemental damage. The tactic became "kill them by any means possible and try to stay alive"
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 08:08
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Diablo II Hell mode...I'm surprised I didn't throw my PC out the window on several occasions.
However...King Cow did truly rock.
However...King Cow did truly rock.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 08:32
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"Cheat" or "Exploit" are not the right questions.
To me, the question is: Did you have fun using a bunch of traps to kill a dragon?
And for me, my answer is "No, I don't think I would. Where is the fun, drama and excitement in that? It seems like it would be boring and tedious, followed by a big crunch.".
Maybe the anticipation leading up the big crunch could be fun?
Maybe you might have fun with this tactic once...
And if you did, awesome!!!
After that trap fest though, I'd encourage you to reload the game and then kill the dragon normally, that's lots and lots of fun :-)
To me, the question is: Did you have fun using a bunch of traps to kill a dragon?
And for me, my answer is "No, I don't think I would. Where is the fun, drama and excitement in that? It seems like it would be boring and tedious, followed by a big crunch.".
Maybe the anticipation leading up the big crunch could be fun?
Maybe you might have fun with this tactic once...
And if you did, awesome!!!
After that trap fest though, I'd encourage you to reload the game and then kill the dragon normally, that's lots and lots of fun :-)
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 08:39
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I think the the best point made "Are you having fun?"
Then don't let someone else tell you how to play the game.
Bioware designed it so everyone can go their own way within the parameters of the game.
Go forth and have fun!
Then don't let someone else tell you how to play the game.
Bioware designed it so everyone can go their own way within the parameters of the game.
Go forth and have fun!
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 08:47
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It's a single player game, so it's up to them how they take an encounter down. Personally I think it's clever - how many times have the enemies in this game had the advantage of preparing perfect ambushes/traps? Seems to me it's nice to return the favour. Also, whoever did that had to have taken the time and effort to spec their character into a decent trap maker, and build/buy the necessary ingredients or traps.
Sound tactic in my opinion - what idiot in his right mind would go into a big fight without every possible advantage on his side? Kudos to whoever thought of trying this tactic in my opinion.
Sound tactic in my opinion - what idiot in his right mind would go into a big fight without every possible advantage on his side? Kudos to whoever thought of trying this tactic in my opinion.
#40
Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 09:21
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I love how people walk on to these boards asking permission from Bioware to use tactics, it is as if they think they are playing an MMO where you'll get hit by the BanHammer for using a tactic/exploit/loophole that hasn't been patched yet. Christ get off your high noble horse and face that there are more then one way to deal with an encounter.
Will it take a long time to make 99 traps - No not really
Will it cost a fair amount of gold - Yes it will.
Will it take a long time to place the traps - Yes is will.
Will it look funny when the dragon drops like a wetcloth - Yes it will ... once.
Will it longer to just kill the dragon normally - Do think so, but that depends on your level/skill/class and your own skillz @ computer games.
So cheers for using that tactic, im for one am going to try and use traps some more on my next toon.
Will it take a long time to make 99 traps - No not really
Will it cost a fair amount of gold - Yes it will.
Will it take a long time to place the traps - Yes is will.
Will it look funny when the dragon drops like a wetcloth - Yes it will ... once.
Will it longer to just kill the dragon normally - Do think so, but that depends on your level/skill/class and your own skillz @ computer games.
So cheers for using that tactic, im for one am going to try and use traps some more on my next toon.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 09:29
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if you want to kill it faster... make entire team ranged for the duration... and stand in cover to kill it.. works remarkable well as well.
Keep in mind that you can use the area as weapon.
Keep in mind that you can use the area as weapon.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 10:07
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I think that might be a bit spoilerish, no?Cause (edit: spoiler removed by moderator, thanks to person who pointed it out)
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 10:09
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Dark83 wrote...
Knowing where they drop (metagame knowledge) would be a metagame tactic. Luring enemies into traps is just a tactic. I suppose you could call it an exploit (via metagame knowledge), but it's hardly cheating. If you knew you were going to be charged at by a rhino, wouldn't you set traps in the way?
I consider it a cheat but thats just me I suppose, when you know exactly where to place traps and exactly how enemies are going to react, you have knowledge you didn't have the first time you encountered said battle, not like being well perpared with a large supply of potions and injury kits for anything that may come your way.
Doing something like setting a few traps near a doorway you suspect have enemies on the other side however seems like a perfect time and place to use traps.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 10:32
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Wolfva2 wrote...
I read a book series once where a young prince elicits the help of the last living Dragon Slayer. He expects this mighty warrior of a man; when he found him he was astounded to find a smallish man standing in a pig wallow speaking enthusiastically and eruditely about the life cycle of pigs with a farmer. This was the mighty Dragon Slayer, the man whose exploits the prince had grown up hearing. Anyways, they go off to slay the dragon, reluctantly. The kid keeps hectoring the slayer with tales of his exploits, until finally the slayer snaps and says, "What, you think I rode up to him on a destrier with sword in hand? Many men have done that; they all died. You want to know how I REALLY killed the dragon? I waited until it was asleep in it's cave then snuck up and threw a poisoned harpoon into it; when it crawled half dead and sickened from it's cave I butchered it with an axe. Heroic, wasn't it?" (or something to that effect, been awhile since I read the book).
Setting traps to kill the dragon sounds cheesy. It goes against the heroism of battling this fearsome beast with your sword in hand. It's also SMART. Only a fool doesn't take every advantage he can get, especially when fighting something that can literally swallow you whole with one bite. Heck, you wouldn't hunt great white sharks with nothing but a knife and swim trunks, right? Why go against a giant flying lizard with just a sword?
Its fantasy, if I wanted reality I wouldn't be playing video games.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 10:41
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Well, that explains the large stack of playboy magazines you have in lie of a girlfriend....
badda BING!
badda BING!
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 02:16
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Wolfva2 wrote...
Well, that explains the large stack of playboy magazines you have in lie of a girlfriend....
badda BING!
It's "in lieu of". Fancy expressions only work well if you know how to spell them.
#48
Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 02:34
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hahaha
I think of that method once op... but if you gonna try that it would turn out the same thing as you would be doing in a normal gameplay because setting up traps require tons of efforts to put those traps in place, but it would be interesting to see you set up your trap theory and put it to the test and of course, a test mean nothing without a video to AWE us with.
I think of that method once op... but if you gonna try that it would turn out the same thing as you would be doing in a normal gameplay because setting up traps require tons of efforts to put those traps in place, but it would be interesting to see you set up your trap theory and put it to the test and of course, a test mean nothing without a video to AWE us with.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 03:18
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EDIT....oops double post.
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Posté 16 décembre 2009 - 03:18
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Crawling_Chaos wrote...
LOL, why would this be considered cheating?
Realistically speaking, that is the most intelligent way to fight a dragon.
Fighting a 50 foot 8000 pound dragon with a half-inch thick shield and a 4 foot sword is not a good idea.
Considering the dragon only stays in one place or flies to another place and never walks anywhere it's also a poor strategy since your tanks and rogues are likely to get caught in tthe trap's range of fire if the dragon somehow manages to trigger it. It's essentially like asking can I just sit there and do nothing untill the dragon kills me? My advice.....sure....that's a brilliant idea.....why didn't I think of that.
