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[Obadiah]

OP, take him on some missions and listen to the banter. He is quite interesting.

[Grubas]

Casticus wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I mean... this isn't even a GOOD troll job.

I'm ashamed that people are responding to it.

Trolling must be the word you use when you disagree with someone but actually have nothing worthwhile to say. 

I have literally not used Javik again since my first playthrough, and I'm on my 5th now.

At one point in the game Javik was intended to be the catalyst, but they dropped the plot. 
Now hes just an aditional squadmate, providing closer and corrects what we knew about the proteans. 

Diana Allers is the only out of place character.

Whats your problem with peasants? You think peasants are poor?

[Casticus]

Grubas wrote...

Casticus wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I mean... this isn't even a GOOD troll job.

I'm ashamed that people are responding to it.

Trolling must be the word you use when you disagree with someone but actually have nothing worthwhile to say. 

I have literally not used Javik again since my first playthrough, and I'm on my 5th now.

At one point in the game Javik was intended to be the catalyst, but they dropped the plot. 
Now hes just an aditional squadmate, providing closer and corrects what we knew about the proteans. 

Diana Allers is the only out of place character.

Whats your problem with peasants? You think peasants are poor?

Sorry a news reporter on the ship is much more in place than a rightfully dead 50,000 year old Prothean.

Modifié par Casticus, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:10 .

[Long4gottenSon]

i found javik to be quite a funny character, i liked his soultion to any threat on the normandy was to "throw it out the airlock"

and eavesdropping on drunk tali talking to javik...priceless

[Casticus]

I can just imagine the Bioware crew sitting around a table brainstorming one day.

"So who's our 7th squadmate going to be"?
"I don't know. Good question."
"Hmmmmmm....I was thinking. Let's just throw in a Prothean. He'd be like a Commander Shepard. Only 50,000 years old. And he'd be really snarky."
"Yeah, man. Great idea! I was gonna say Miranda, Jack, Thane, Samara, Jacob, Zaeed, or any of the other ME2 crew that we didn't put in. But this Prothean guy which no one asked for sounds perfect!"

Modifié par Casticus, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:19 .

[DiebytheSword]

Yeah no, I get Javik every single time.

[Grubas]

Casticus wrote...


Sorry a news reporter on the ship is much more in place than a rightfully dead 50,000 year old Prothean.

Sorry did you just confuse Diana Allers with a news reporter? 

[Antagony]

Javik is Jamaican. There's no room for Jamaicans in my squad.

[SpamBot2000]

Casticus wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

So you spent money on something you don't use? Do you like burning money or something?

I'm not some peasant. I have plenty of money to spend on things I don't use.

I take offense in people using the term "some peasant".

[Helios969]

A lot of people seem to have that one (or two) character(s) they hate, but I think the point is being missed.  I think all the characters if you put in the time, go through the conversation threads...are designed to broaden your perspective...chip away at our preconceptions.  I admit I was uncomfortable with Javik and his racial superiority, but as you learn more you come to understand he's like everyone of us (and everyone of the companions)...we are all products of our environments.  Javik is a product of his time, made worse by a Reaper invasion that was slowly wiping out his people.  But even the dogmatic Javik can be shaped by Shepard and the Normandy crew.  When he finally begins to trust you enough to open up he says the following:

War is an atrocity committed in the name of survival. It is a lesson I wish I had never learned.

It was the kind of statement I wasn't expecting from Javik and caused me to take a step back and think about the character.  Like all relationships, real or the fake ME kind, they only work if you put in the time and make an effort to understand your counterpart's point of view.

[2Shepards]

Getting Javik's back story and pov was freaking awesome. Having all our delusions about Protheans being tree hugging AIDS curing all perfect packed full of wisdom beings cast down was great. It showed that every species and cycle stumbles and makes their mistakes.

[agu123]

Javik is as racist as Ashley, yet people love him for some reason.

[vixvicco]

Knibbler wrote...

You bought the DLC and didn't play the DLC.





























wat

Exactly. Why waste your money then!

[Henioo]

Casticus wrote...

Why else would he be DLC?

$


But seriously though, Javik was simply a Renegade, the first truly Renegade companion. You might not have liked him because your Shepard wasn't Paragon. Now you know what it feels to be on board of a ship with someone of different moral code.

I don't like him as a person, but I appreciate his character.

[Red5392]

grey_wind wrote...

While I do find his presence contrived to the point of straining my suspension of disbelief, without him the ME3 squad is so hideously dull with a bunch of goodie two-shoes who sycophanitcally worship Shepard that I find him quite refreshing. He also doesn`t lose any points for being better written than 95% of the ME3 cast.

I wouldn't say that he is better written than most of the ME3 cast, but he is a nice change from the rest of the cast. He is the only one that Shepard has to earn his respect.  

[string3r]

What's wrong with Javik?

[Feyise]

>bought DLC
>didn't play DLC

genius logic

[SpamBot2000]

agu123 wrote...

Javik is as racist as Ashley, yet people love him for some reason.

Kinda galling to defend this Disk Locked Charater, but this kind of kneejerk reactions seem so misguided that guess I'll have to say something. If we take the attitudes towards alien species as a stand-in for real world "racial" attitudes, do you think the point might have something to do with understanding where these kind of attitudes come from, instead of just labeling them "POLITICALLY UNACCEPTABLE" or monstrous, and thus gaining some insight into how to counter them with reasoned argument?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:48 .

[fchopin]

Sorry op but i like Javik, he is very entertaining in the game and actually very interesting on some of the missions with Liara.

If you don’t like him then don’t use him but stop saying Javik is not an interesting character as it’s not true.

[AngryFrozenWater]

fchopin wrote...

Sorry op but i like Javik, he is very entertaining in the game and actually very interesting on some of the missions with Liara.

If you don’t like him then don’t use him but stop saying Javik is not an interesting character as it’s not true.

I agree with Frédéric here.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:02 .

[Kenjison7]

No hate, just don't bother with the mission

[Peregrin25]

I really enjoyed Javik. He is the only current character in ME3 that butts heads with Shepard. On top of it all, he is a warrior. That is all he knows which is part of him I like. His cold hard exterior and mentality makes for an interesting edition to the Normandy crew. I personally think, out of all the crew members, save Garrus, Tali and Liara, he is well crafted in terms of character development. He is a new character all together, so he is fresh and new in terms of being an ally.

I also like that he is a bit misunderstood. He being from a time where all he knew was war and being introduced to a way of life fifty thousand years ahead of his own time.

I normally bring him along in missions where killing a reaper is inevitable, because in my mind he deserves to see them die lol. I also like how he grows throughout the story. He comes to terms with how civilization co-exist with each other. I also like the fact that he ends up respecting Shepard in his/her fight for freedom from the Reaper invasion. They are both warriors and that is their way of life.

That is just my opinion. I got my DLC with the Collector's Edition so...I just wish the mission had been a bit longer, maybe added a little more story and lore with it as well. I seriously think it could have been a mind blowing DLC to be honest. I do feel it fel a bit short though, especially since how much the DLC cost to others that didn't get the Collector's Edition. It definitely was not worth the price in my opinion.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .

[andy6915]

Antagony wrote...

Javik is Jamaican. There's no room for Jamaicans in my squad.

Racist bag of dicks.

[agu123]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Javik is as racist as Ashley, yet people love him for some reason.

Kinda galling to defend this Disk Locked Charater, but this kind of kneejerk reactions seem so misguided that guess I'll have to say something. If we take the attitudes towards alien species as a stand-in for real world "racial" attitudes, do you think the point might have something to do with understanding where these kind of attitudes come from, instead of just labeling them "POLITICALLY UNACCEPTABLE" or monstrous, and thus gaining some insight into how to counter them with reasoned argument?

Please tell me where and when I labeled them "politically unacceptable" and "monstrous". Because I really want to see those statements.

Perhaps, I was just saying that if you dislike Ashley for being racist then you should understand Javik isn't really different?

And about gaining some insight on how to counter them: you don't need to do that. EDI does it in-game when Javik goes to the AI core and starts the "machines can't evolve because they're machines" argument.

Modifié par agu123, 06 juillet 2012 - 12:24 .