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[Ranger Jack Walker]

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis is ****ing evil...
It's the single most evil thing ever conceived by anyone ever...

That's your opinion. I say that sacrificing your allies when ther are other options is far worse.

[Bill Casey]

There aren't other options...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[darkpassenger2342]

zambot wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis is ****ing evil...
It's the single most evil thing ever conceived by anyone ever...

 ah yes we meet again...
i disagree. synthesis = the win.

Hating synthesis is like hating magic and rainbows...because synthesis is magic and rainbows.

humanity loses in every other choice.
destroy is not an option too much loss.
and future loss.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

@Bill Casey

"Bull****" ?

Fascinating arguement you have there.

I saw your post before you edited it.

Modifié par Ranger Jack Walker, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[xsdob]

You know, I find myself not caring. Palastinian orphans commit suicide bombings against israli night clubs because soliders killed their parents during raids, they're justified in doing this because they are pissed off.

That's what I got from this thread, angry people are always in the right no matter what.

Than again nothing you post will ever managed to convince me this isn't just a pro-blank BS post meant to rally the base and slander the other side, just like shipping wars in other fandoms.

Modifié par xsdob, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:25 .

[zambot]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

zambot wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis is ****ing evil...
It's the single most evil thing ever conceived by anyone ever...

 ah yes we meet again...
i disagree. synthesis = the win.

Hating synthesis is like hating magic and rainbows...because synthesis is magic and rainbows.

the reapers win in every other choice.
destroy is not an option it resets the entire cycle of life.

You have 4 choices:

1. Kill a billion of your allies to defeat the reapers.
2. Kill everyone and hope the next cycle beats the reapers
3. Become a god-like dictator and hope you don't go insane with power
4. Choose magic and give everyone instant near god-like power that results in an ever lasting peaceful utopia.

I understand why everyone thinks #4 is utterly unbelievable, but that doesn't make it "evil"

[Taraakian]

You make valid points, but it's also why I think the reapers would be shunned and isolated by society even if you pick synthesis or control.

They just killed billions of your people. You're not going to like/trust them just because they're now green or because a new space god is controlling them.

And that's really a big opening for a new story line. It's also why I chose destroy. The other two options are fairy tales. It's only "happily ever after" until politics comes into play.

Think of the racism that already existed in the galaxy. No one will accept Reapers. I wouldn't,

[Ranger Jack Walker]

It isn't as simple as 'ever lasting utopia'. Synthesis requires far more explanation than what was provided. Which is why so many people assume the worst.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

And Shepard going insane is people assuming the worst. The civilizations would keep advancing as the Reapers would not be exterminating them. At some point, they will naturally surpass the Reapers and Shepard going insane will be of little consequence.

[zambot]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

It isn't as simple as 'ever lasting utopia'. Synthesis requires far more explanation than what was provided. Which is why so many people assume the worst.

I think people demonize it because they are pissed that Bioware made this utterly unbelievable touchy-feely rainbow peace ending where suddenly, everyone including the reapers is saved.  They are pissed because Bioware made this the "good" ending, when they expected they would get to kill reapers at the end of ME3, save the galaxy, and ride off into the stars with their blue girlfriend (or whoever).  Given the themes of the story, I can't say I blame them.  I was utterly shocked that I didn't get to confront Harbinger ever.

But the hate for synthesis has gotten so ridiculous, I feel the need to lash out against the hate and defend people who like synthesis.  There's no need to hate any of the endings.  It's absurd and just contributes to the disaster this forum is.  So I'll go on saying Synthesis is magic and rainbows, and it's perfect because it's magic.  Don't believe in utopia? Too bad!  Space Magic!


EDIT: and whether Shep goes insane in the control ending is entirely head canon.  I have no problems with people whose Shepard nobly chose control and made the sacrifice to become an immortal guardian.  That doesn't happen in my head canon, but it's no more valid than anyone elses.

Modifié par zambot, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:38 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

All the endings are Space Magic. Element Zero is Space Magic. The Mass Relays are Space Magic. Hell, even simple FTL in the ME universe is Space Magic.

Just because they explain it with their own rules doesn't mean its scientific.

All of the great Sci-fi stories break science.

Alot of people forget this.

[darkpassenger2342]

zambot wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

It isn't as simple as 'ever lasting utopia'. Synthesis requires far more explanation than what was provided. Which is why so many people assume the worst.

I think people demonize it because they are pissed that Bioware made this utterly unbelievable touchy-feely rainbow peace ending where suddenly, everyone including the reapers is saved.  They are pissed because Bioware made this the "good" ending, when they expected they would get to kill reapers at the end of ME3, save the galaxy, and ride off into the stars with their blue girlfriend (or whoever).  Given the themes of the story, I can't say I blame them.  I was utterly shocked that I didn't get to confront Harbinger ever.

But the hate for synthesis has gotten so ridiculous, I feel the need to lash out against it and defend people who like it.  There's no need to hate any of the endings.  It's absurd and just contributes to the disaster this forum is.  So I'll go on saying Synthesis is magic and rainbows, and it's perfect because it's magic.  Don't believe in utopia? Too bad!  Space Magic!


EDIT: and whether Shep goes insane in the control ending is entirely head canon.  I have no problems with people whose Shepard nobly chose control and made the sacrifice to become an immortal guardian.  That doesn't happen in my head canon, but it's no more valid than anyone elses.

 the sunshine and rainbows element is definitely overstated. i am largely in favor of synthesis and it has nothing to do with sunshine and rainbows and happy faces. it is a universal understanding, and the only true end to the reaper threat. not cakes and lollipops. this stuff is just ad-libbing to take shots at a concept you dont like. that others do.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:39 .

[naes1984]

I think he's referring to the fanbase.

[darkpassenger2342]

naes1984 wrote...

I think he's referring to the fanbase.

 
 hes not, but thanks for being a jerk.
its not hard to see what you are implying you intolerant fool.
 i think you should follow it up with some anti-gay remarks and actually type what you are implying.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:44 .

[N-Seven]

Punisher cork wrote...

 This is what Garrus said sometime in the campaign. Angry orphans, mad at the world, at the reapers who took their parents, their siblings, their home. Kids who grow up with nothing to lose. Nothing but hatred and vengence on their mind. Garrus has quite a few gems of wisdom throughout the series, but I find this in particular to stand out in the end of the game. 

If you choose synthesis:
You, as an angry orphan, are now PART of what killed your parents, you can feel what they did to all those humans and species before. Its a mathematical thing to the reapers, but to the organic part of us, it would easily repulse us. Imagine feeling the reapers thoughts, no amount of understanding would make that okay. It would be worse than indoctrination, being a part of what killed so many. 

I just watched the Synthesis conversation w. Catalyst, and all the cutscenes again.

There is no indication that it does what you said it did.  There are no shared thoughts.   Organics are perfected by being integrated with synthetic technology.   Synthetics in turn, gain understanding of organics.   That's how it is stated.

There's no melding of minds or bodies.  As far as I can tell, the organics only change physically.  The synthetics only change mentally...as now they have emotions and are 'alive' and understand what it means.

Furthermore, there's also no indication of any loss of individuality, or emotion. 

And if we go by cutscenes, we don't see any people throwing themselves off of cliffs in despair of what they've become.

I wonder if anybody actually watches the cutscenes for the other endings, or just make stuff up for the one they didn't happen to choose.

And no, I didn't pick synthesis.  Just wish people wouldn't make up their own horrible 'worst case', or just plain innaccurate,  versions of the endings that they didn't choose.

Modifié par N-Seven, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:45 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

Because it's easier to throw weak insults at something you don't like instead of understanding it.

[zambot]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

zambot wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

It isn't as simple as 'ever lasting utopia'. Synthesis requires far more explanation than what was provided. Which is why so many people assume the worst.

I think people demonize it because they are pissed that Bioware made this utterly unbelievable touchy-feely rainbow peace ending where suddenly, everyone including the reapers is saved.  They are pissed because Bioware made this the "good" ending, when they expected they would get to kill reapers at the end of ME3, save the galaxy, and ride off into the stars with their blue girlfriend (or whoever).  Given the themes of the story, I can't say I blame them.  I was utterly shocked that I didn't get to confront Harbinger ever.

But the hate for synthesis has gotten so ridiculous, I feel the need to lash out against it and defend people who like it.  There's no need to hate any of the endings.  It's absurd and just contributes to the disaster this forum is.  So I'll go on saying Synthesis is magic and rainbows, and it's perfect because it's magic.  Don't believe in utopia? Too bad!  Space Magic!


EDIT: and whether Shep goes insane in the control ending is entirely head canon.  I have no problems with people whose Shepard nobly chose control and made the sacrifice to become an immortal guardian.  That doesn't happen in my head canon, but it's no more valid than anyone elses.

 the sunshine and rainbows element is definitely overstated. i am largely in favor of synthesis and it has nothing to do with sunshine and rainbows and happy faces. it is a universal understanding, and the only true end to the reaper threat. not cakes and lollipops. this stuff is just ad-libbing to take shots at a concept you dont like. that others do.

I personally find synthesis to be so far-fetched, I am afraid I won't ever be able to take it seriously.  So I do like to take humerous shots at it, for which I hope I can be forgiven.  I mean no serious offense, and certainly do not want to damn it or accuse it of being "rape" "molestation" "eugenics" "mind control" or any of the other horrible things it is equated with on these forums.  When I take a step back, and try to understand the writers' intent with synthesis, it's actually a neat concept.  It's one I am far too cynical or realist to believe in, but for the hope of the future humanity, I do hope I am wrong.

[naes1984]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

I think he's referring to the fanbase.

 
 hes not, but thanks for being a jerk.
its not hard to see what you are implying you intolerant fool.
 i think you should follow it up with some anti-gay remarks and actually type what you are implying.

You've just been reported.

[xsdob]

As i've stated in my eariler post, this is just a shipping war that's based on endings instead of which characters are involved with who.

Just ignore it and move on, no fair discussion or understanding will take place in threads like this, it was predestined to become a flamewar.

[darkpassenger2342]

naes1984 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

I think he's referring to the fanbase.

 
 hes not, but thanks for being a jerk.
its not hard to see what you are implying you intolerant fool.
 i think you should follow it up with some anti-gay remarks and actually type what you are implying.

You've just been reported.

 report me all day, when the mod see you were being negative towards gays he will laugh and direct his attention to you.

[Jadebaby]

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis is ****ing evil...
It's the single most evil thing ever conceived by anyone ever...

I agree, the one thing boosting it into total evil territory is that it portrays itself as a "happy" ending.

[brettc893]

You know, one of the best things about this war is watching the kids react.

And a certain Tokin Turian thinks he might know a way to get high with all those orphans...

[shodiswe]

Punisher cork wrote...

I can't say natzey even in its correct terminology?

I've never understood the need to block things that might offend people, it's better to talk about things than let it brood. It's like telling people "Let's forget history", There is nothing to learn here.

There are lots of people in history who did all kinds of stupid thing and misstakes... By hiding it and trying to forget you learn nothing. Hitler never learned from Napoleon or any of the other conquerors.
One after another they fought the whole world, spread their force too thin, then they were easily wiped out. Sometimes im amazed at how hard it is for people to learn from the past.

Maybe the problem I got with people is that I think and opperate on Logos rather than gut feeling and blind emotions.

[Hackulator]

Basically, at this point in the evolution of the internet, if you can't make your point without a N4zi reference, your ability to convey your ideas is terrible.

[DocGriffin]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Synthesis is ****ing evil...
It's the single most evil thing ever conceived by anyone ever...

I agree, the one thing boosting it into total evil territory is that it portrays itself as a "happy" ending.

Yeah, cmon guys, lets go commit genocide instead! Look I survived, that makes it even better!