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[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Ring1 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

it doesnt eliminate the reaper threat, it sets organics back to zero and they will create and destroy themselves until someone makes reapers again.....
lol its just a waste of an unclear amount of cycles for short term  battle victory in a much larger war. war against ourselves.
 it also destroys the knowledge they possess and the ancient races they absorbed.
total waste.

Ring1 wrote...
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Doesn"t the council have restrictions in place about the research into AI?
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It seems instead that the restrictions on AI research may prevent the
re-creation of the Geth or other synthetics and that would break this supposed
continuous cycle. It seems that the galaxy instead would be set to the point
right before the point of the original creation of the Geth with the knowledge
of what could potentially happen.
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Ring1 wrote...
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I will not argue that the catalyst does indeed believe that the cycle is that
organics will create synthetics which will kill organics. But if organics do
not create synthetics then organics cannot be killed by synthetics.
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From what it seems with the Geth isolating themselves organics do not need to
create synthetics to be productive and survive.

Even though the catalyst has seen countless cycles and synthetics were a
problem in each cycle could the cycles not be compared to the current cycle and
the Geth? Did all the other cycles have the opportunity to destroy the
synthetics and essentially have a redo?

I cut out some of my sentences to streamline the process but does this not answer that it is entirely possible that destroy could be a solution to the problem?

For your new point about destroy destroying the knowledge of all the other harvested civilizations. Are all the civilizations harvested around the same time? How different could their technology be from ours both their and our technology is based off the reapers?

The Protheans were quite a bit ahead of us. and had some intrestingly unique tech like memory shards. 

Others could be too, and based on EDIs epilogue they were and we had quite a bit to learn from them. 

[Ring1]

Modifié par Ring1, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:06 .

[Ring1]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@ring
destroy wipes out everything and restarts the cycle of death.
no it is only a temporary solution.
the starchild tells us this when he explains the cycle.
 the cycle starts over if you destroy the reapers, but the reapers are necessary to stop organics from destroying themselves. it is inevitable.
as for the destroyed civilizations how can you know the answer if you destroy it/them??
they were species worthy to advance forward, so they were preserved. they were by context different than the current races. more advanced? who knows? if you destroy the data, they dont in your ending..
 they have no warnings, shepard is dead and only she knows about the cycle....
dead shepard cant stop the cycle from happening again.
 it is inevitable.
the starchild tells us this.

If it is inevitable that organics will destroy themselves by creating synthetics then wouldn't it be inevitable that the current cycle will attain the same enlightenment as what is possessed in the reapers? So why would we need their knowledge?

But does the current cycle truly need to create synthetics to advance or maintain status-quo?

Sorry I had a problem with the post.

Modifié par Ring1, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:09 .

[Ring1]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

The Protheans were quite a bit ahead of us. and had some intrestingly unique tech like memory shards. 

Others could be too, and based on EDIs epilogue they were and we had quite a bit to learn from them. 

That could be a valid reason to choose synthesis if that is what Shepard wants. Every ending has benefits that others don't have I don't deny that.

[darkpassenger2342]

Ring1 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@ring
destroy wipes out everything and restarts the cycle of death.
no it is only a temporary solution.
the starchild tells us this when he explains the cycle.
 the cycle starts over if you destroy the reapers, but the reapers are necessary to stop organics from destroying themselves. it is inevitable.
as for the destroyed civilizations how can you know the answer if you destroy it/them??
they were species worthy to advance forward, so they were preserved. they were by context different than the current races. more advanced? who knows? if you destroy the data, they dont in your ending..
 they have no warnings, shepard is dead and only she knows about the cycle....
dead shepard cant stop the cycle from happening again.
 it is inevitable.
the starchild tells us this.

If it is inevitable that organics will destroy themselves by creating synthetics then wouldn't it be inevitable that the current cycle will attain the same enlightenment as what is possessed in the reapers? So why would we need their knowledge?

But does the current cycle truly need to create synthetics to advance or maintain status-quo?

Sorry I had a problem with the post.

 dude you are fine. so many people are so much more critical, you were just asking stuff.... i enjoy explaining my view because clearly it is not the popular one.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:15 .

[darkpassenger2342]

in response to your last question....
IMO the only end to the cycle  is synthesis.
but thats a good thing.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[Ring1]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
 dude you are fine. so many people are so much more critical, you were just asking stuff.... i enjoy explaining my view because clearly it is not the popular one.

I was talking about the double post sorry for the confusion.

That maybe the only way but I was not willing to accept that events would progress the same as before. If that means never rebuilding the Geth then so be it. It would be great to have the Geth survive but that was the sacrifice. Always place the mission first.

Modifié par Ring1, 07 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .

[darkpassenger2342]

while i agree with this totally. shepard dies so she cant share this knowledge ( of the cycle itself) with anyone and people are so dependent on synthetics and robots ( not just geth, im talking everyday life)
that the inevitability of it certainly seems believeable to me.

[Reorte]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

while i agree with this totally. shepard dies so she cant share this knowledge ( of the cycle itself) with anyone and people are so dependent on synthetics and robots ( not just geth, im talking everyday life)
that the inevitability of it certainly seems believeable to me.

Except Shepard doesn't always die in Destroy so that's no argument against it.

[Punisher cork]

Okay, after reading just about every post:
1. More people are upset that I just referenced the "angry germans" whom I will be blocked for saying. I was using history as an example, because history is an example. In ME2 Legion mentioned death camps not being used by humans, as the geth didn't use land where quarians had died as a means of respect and memorial.
2. A great quote from Legion again in his loyalty mission in ME2 is that rewriting the geth is the same as killing them, (thane has to be the 3rd party member), "treating another race as your own is racist." I blame the reapers for what they've done because they choose to be evil. If they have all these societies living inside them preserved, they're clearly useless if they can't see past the whole "rip them into shreds, dissolve them, build reaper buddies."
I can't stomach anything but destroy after I've played a game because letting them live doesn't feel right. I don't like that the geth die, because I worked to save them, and pushed for peace the whole time. I don't like EDI dying at all because she said herself, "I find the reapers repulsive. They are dedicated to nothing but self preservation." EDI is above the reapers, despite being reaper technology, same with the geth, they have the same tech but CHOOSE to value life, and understand the value of sacrifice. I wish there was DLC or a way to save them because they fit the whole theme of Mass Effect. This series was about tolerance, if I choose to be tolerant, or choose to be intolerant.
Look at the catalyst, he states that synthetics will kill you, "oh yeah? which ones, the geth who we freed, united and allied with the quarians? Or EDI the former reaper spare part that did kill humans at first because she was designed by humans, and then works with and fights the reapers. The reapers are consumed by ones and zeros and I won't save them. Reaper Shepard may not save the day in the long run, and synthesis forces unification on you. I don't want to be part reaper or synthetic along with them.
In my playthrough, Kaiden died in ME1, no one died in ME2, and just Mordin, Thane, and Legion die in ME3. I don't like sacrificing others for me or my cause. I wish I could save EDI and the geth in destroy, but I can't betray all who sacrificed themselves to stop the reapers just to go, "hey, they're not so bad after all." 

Modifié par Punisher cork, 07 juillet 2012 - 06:57 .