Xilizhra wrote...
I'm a human who doesn't wish to see death, and good intentions are still necessary to do good.
Xilizhra wrote...
I'm a human who doesn't wish to see death, and good intentions are still necessary to do good.
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Come on we were having so much fun with this a few pages ago. You know with Keiji's grey box becoming sapient. Then I had this idea about Liara melding with a grey box and uploading Shepard into it so we could make a Shepard-bot kind of like EDI, but looks like Shepard, and Liara could stop crying in the final scene and take the name off the wall.
You know. Yeah, I know it would be the third reboot. But it's not like there hadn't been a reboot before.
I know we'd have to make some rules, like ONLY ONE copy at a time, otherwise it gets too cylony (there are many copies). But think about it. You could do continuous backups of yourself to the cloud and when the old body gives out, just get a new body and download your last backup. Voila! Resurrection! And you could do it before everything went kaput. Conquer death itself!
And you wouldn't even have to worry about population growth because there would be no need to reproduce. Just a need to expand knowledge. No screamy squallering kids running around. No diapers to change.
Then someone had to go get all serious and war crimie and philosophical about it. *sigh*.
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I'm a human who doesn't wish to see death, and good intentions are still necessary to do good.
So... who are you to determine that for everyone else?
While good intentions are still needed for good actions, they have the capacity to misguide. As they did with Saren.
wantedman dan wrote...
So... who are you to determine that for everyone else?
While good intentions are still needed for good actions, they have the capacity to misguide. As they did with Saren.
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Come on we were having so much fun with this a few pages ago. You know with Keiji's grey box becoming sapient. Then I had this idea about Liara melding with a grey box and uploading Shepard into it so we could make a Shepard-bot kind of like EDI, but looks like Shepard, and Liara could stop crying in the final scene and take the name off the wall.
You know. Yeah, I know it would be the third reboot. But it's not like there hadn't been a reboot before.
I know we'd have to make some rules, like ONLY ONE copy at a time, otherwise it gets too cylony (there are many copies). But think about it. You could do continuous backups of yourself to the cloud and when the old body gives out, just get a new body and download your last backup. Voila! Resurrection! And you could do it before everything went kaput. Conquer death itself!
And you wouldn't even have to worry about population growth because there would be no need to reproduce. Just a need to expand knowledge. No screamy squallering kids running around. No diapers to change.
Then someone had to go get all serious and war crimie and philosophical about it. *sigh*.
Jamie9 wrote...
ghost9191 wrote...
HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION OF ME THAT I CANNOT ANSWER
idk the process <_< that and it just destroys who we are
that;s all i got
Well, yes, obviously Reapers shouldn't have been created in the first place, but now that we have them here, is it right to destroy them?
We don't know anything, really, about the Reapers. Do they have a culture (even the one of their harvested species)? Do they have desires? Are they conscious while under the Catalyst's control?
Choosing to let them live (Synthesis) is a leap of faith. Yet I don't know if I can condemn them to death. I don't want to. They're sentient beings that have been forced to murder trillions by a stupid flawed AI. But to save the Reapers, I have to alter everyone in the galaxy. Damn it.
Malditor wrote...
You are assuming that they wouldn't have wanted you to pick one of the choices available. I'm sure that many would have been very upset knowing that they didn't have to die if you picked one of the choices. You determined that they had to die to the reapers whether they wanted to or not.
Xilizhra wrote...
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?
Baronesa wrote...
sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Come on we were having so much fun with this a few pages ago. You know with Keiji's grey box becoming sapient. Then I had this idea about Liara melding with a grey box and uploading Shepard into it so we could make a Shepard-bot kind of like EDI, but looks like Shepard, and Liara could stop crying in the final scene and take the name off the wall.
You know. Yeah, I know it would be the third reboot. But it's not like there hadn't been a reboot before.
I know we'd have to make some rules, like ONLY ONE copy at a time, otherwise it gets too cylony (there are many copies). But think about it. You could do continuous backups of yourself to the cloud and when the old body gives out, just get a new body and download your last backup. Voila! Resurrection! And you could do it before everything went kaput. Conquer death itself!
And you wouldn't even have to worry about population growth because there would be no need to reproduce. Just a need to expand knowledge. No screamy squallering kids running around. No diapers to change.
Then someone had to go get all serious and war crimie and philosophical about it. *sigh*.
Well... Liara could also meld with a cloned Shepard... or could put Shepard's mind on a cloned Asari's body... so they spend mor time together.
Xilizhra wrote...
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?
Jamie9 wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
So... who are you to determine that for everyone else?
While good intentions are still needed for good actions, they have the capacity to misguide. As they did with Saren.
Saren's intentions weren't good. He was willing to sacrifice ALL freedom. I'd hardly call that good. It doesn't help that even before indoctrination (Mass Effect: Revelation - novel), Saren was already an A-hole.
wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?
The point is, you have no right to choose for me what is best for me.
ghost9191 wrote...
which i get , i can see how ppl can see them as victims.
for me though they are machines programmed to harvest all organic and synthetic life, killing trillions each cycle. and each time i talked to one they didn't seem like they hated that fact.
yeah they are being "forced" to do it, but they are a threat and will be a threat as long as they are around so i will destroy them. and i won't force everyone to be changed against their will so the answer is easy for me. but can see it is difficult for u
would say go with control but that is as bad as destroiying them
Only ones whose choice you determined mattered are the ones that agree with you. Anyone that would have wanted one of the choices to be chosen you disregard.wantedman dan wrote...
Malditor wrote...
You are assuming that they wouldn't have wanted you to pick one of the choices available. I'm sure that many would have been very upset knowing that they didn't have to die if you picked one of the choices. You determined that they had to die to the reapers whether they wanted to or not.
Fallacious argument. If I were able to poll people and ask them whether or not they'd like to be synthesized, and every single person said yes, it would cease to be forced, and I would have chosen it. Happily.
I determined that their choice mattered. I'm sorry you can't see that.
Modifié par Malditor, 07 juillet 2012 - 01:37 .
Saans Shadow wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?
The point is, you have no right to choose for me what is best for me.
Unless your Commander Shepard and this is your favorite spot on the crucible lol:devil:
wantedman dan wrote...
Sacrifice freedom to stay alive. I'd say those are good intentions.
Misguided, but good.
Be thankful that someone chose that it was best for another person to not be allowed to kill you.wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?
The point is, you have no right to choose for me what is best for me.
wantedman dan wrote...
Saans Shadow wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
What else can I be but what I said? Who would I be to do nothing to aid those people depressed enough that they want to die?
The point is, you have no right to choose for me what is best for me.
Unless your Commander Shepard and this is your favorite spot on the crucible lol:devil:
Ha, funny.
Malditor wrote...
Only one's who's choice you determined mattered are the ones that agree with you. Anyone that would have wanted one of the choices to be chosen you disregard.
Please don't take this as me saying rejection is the wrong choice, because I've stated many times that there are no wrong choices for the individual that made them.
Jamie9 wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Sacrifice freedom to stay alive. I'd say those are good intentions.
Misguided, but good.
Obviously a personal moral, but Freedom > my life.
I'd rather die than lose my freedom. What Saren was planning is more evil than killing them. That makes Saren more evil than the Reapers in my mind. Well, except for the Husks... and the actual creation process of the Reapers...
Okay, the Catalyst is worse. But Saren is mighty close.
ghost9191 wrote...
@Jamie9
yeah hard after playing 3 games and seeing what they did to see them as victims for me.
but if i read right you it seems that not until synthesis do they actually achieve true sentience, maybe
so i am good with destroy lol well they are just high tech vi's maybe idk
The Angry One wrote...
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
its not submission, its evolution, what the original reaper creators strived for over NOT EXISTING
That is not evolution. Look up what evolution is.
This is forced artificial enhancement. It's not what the creators strived for. All they wanted was peace. What they got was an insane AI that perverted it's own directives and betrayed them.
Even if they DID want this, who are THEY to impose anything on the current species.
Modifié par JamieCOTC, 07 juillet 2012 - 01:40 .
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