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[Pantegana]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@JadeBaby88:
Meaningless assertions gain you nothing. If you think Reapers are "abominations", then tell me why? You can't, because "abomination" is already a pejorative term based on a normative concept of nature. Normative concepts are always rooted in belief systems, and I don't agree with your belief system. There are no "abominations". The perception of life forms as such is an artifact of misaimed notions of the sacred, a stone age legacy we'd better overcome.

The Reapers are enemies we have every right to defend against and kill, like any other enemy threatening our survival. But they are valid life forms, and to end the war by making peace should be considered as desirable. That you might not want to pay the price and change all life, that I understand, but that's a different problem.

I don't know about the others but I pick destruction because the
reapers tried to kill everybody once and I don't want them to try again. Plain and simple.
Plus the synthesis ending reminds me of "Brave New World" and that's just creepy. <_<
I'm a simple man, who abides to simple logic like "kill or be killed".

On top of that Harbingah and Sovereign have been quite clear about what they want to do with us humies and I'm not going to trust some brat that pops up from nowhere offering me alternative solutions when I'm just about to pull the plug and exterminate them, it all just sounds too convenient.

[Zeppex]

I don't understand how one can give up their humanity so freely. To hell with being half synthetic. You're a human, yes the human race suffered because of the reapers, and now lets compound that by making the half synthetic....

[Vigilant111]

v TricKy v wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@JadeBaby88:
Meaningless assertions gain you nothing. If you think Reapers are "abominations", then tell me why? You can't, because "abomination" is already a pejorative term based on a normative concept of nature. Normative concepts are always rooted in belief systems, and I don't agree with your belief system. There are no "abominations". The perception of life forms as such is an artifact of misaimed notions of the sacred, a stone age legacy we'd better overcome.

The Reapers are enemies we have every right to defend against and kill, like any other enemy threatening our survival. But they are valid life forms.

So you are fine with abandoning things which makes us human?
And if someone makes a virus which revives dead people are they also valid life forms for you?
Where are you drawing the line?

Appearantly there is no line, as long as its all "life", no difference between synthetic life and organic life, life on track and field is the same as life on electric circuits <_<

Modifié par Vigilant111, 06 juillet 2012 - 09:52 .

[Pantegana]

Flog61 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

oh very much serious.. you get forced to make a decision that should be left to gods...
i would say no war and no death is a pretty unselfish choice.

What was the point of trying to stop saren in me1 if you support synthesis? Synthesis doesnt even make sence, plus even the merged organics and synthetics would still create synthetics and organics would still evolve on new planets, so eventually synthetics would still wipe out the sythetic/organic merging.


This means that all choices will eventually result in the galaxy being void of any form of organic life.

Unless you say that synthesis changes the atoms in metal so that even if you build a new machine (say a toaster) it would be partly organic (which wouldnt make any sence either) synthesis would not solve the problem. neither would control ,nor destroy, nor refuse.

The galaxy will be void of organic life eventually, since time is infinate.

Unless you expect semiorganic-toasters and air-conditioners to make babies
WTF

[Pantegana]

Flog61 wrote...

@pantegana TBF if they can accept a wave of energy can somehow make peope partly synthetic then they should accept that toasters would be part ferret or whatever

Yeah, I was just dwelling on some ideas I've had in the past few days about the sexual implications of synthesis.
It makes me LOL

[Jadebaby]

abomination.

[Ieldra]

Vigilant111 wrote...
@Ieldra2: Don't you think the reapers view organics as abominations?

No. Why wouldn't they kill everyone then? And I mean *kill* *everyone*, not just forcibly amalgamate advanced civilizations.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:04 .

[Podge 90]

If you like Synthesis then you like the direction they took with the endings. Therefore you are impossible to reason with.

[v TricKy v]

Pantegana wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

@pantegana TBF if they can accept a wave of energy can somehow make peope partly synthetic then they should accept that toasters would be part ferret or whatever

Yeah, I was just dwelling on some ideas I've had in the past few days about the sexual implications of synthesis.
It makes me LOL

Im only saying "Klixen" and "Banshees"

[Elite Midget]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

oh very much serious.. you get forced to make a decision that should be left to gods...
i would say no war and no death is a pretty unselfish choice.

And in the end it all comes back to..

"Is not submission preferable to extinction?"





Even Saren is facepalming at this thread.

 its not submission, its evolution, what the original reaper creators strived for over NOT EXISTING

 sarens opinions arent everyones though. im not tellign anyone they are stupid for not believing what i think.

Evolution cannot be forced. It is submission.

[Vigilant111]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
@Ieldra2: Don't you think the reapers view organics as abominations?

No. Why wouldn't they kill everyone then? And I mean *kill* *everyone*, not just forcibly amalgamate advanced civilizations.

But they did

"help them to NEW life"

The abomination rests on the mortal fleshy bodies, the seemingly useless emotions, inability to adapt to change, organics are such pests to the reapers, they MUST be killed and "ascended"

Modifié par Vigilant111, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[Ieldra]

Pantegana wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@JadeBaby88:
Meaningless assertions gain you nothing. If you think Reapers are "abominations", then tell me why? You can't, because "abomination" is already a pejorative term based on a normative concept of nature. Normative concepts are always rooted in belief systems, and I don't agree with your belief system. There are no "abominations". The perception of life forms as such is an artifact of misaimed notions of the sacred, a stone age legacy we'd better overcome.

The Reapers are enemies we have every right to defend against and kill, like any other enemy threatening our survival. But they are valid life forms, and to end the war by making peace should be considered as desirable. That you might not want to pay the price and change all life, that I understand, but that's a different problem.

I don't know about the others but I pick destruction because the
reapers tried to kill everybody once and I don't want them to try again. Plain and simple.

As I said, it's understandable. I have one Destroy-Shepard as well. I just object to people saying it's the only "reasonable" course of action.

[Pantegana]

v TricKy v wrote...

Pantegana wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

@pantegana TBF if they can accept a wave of energy can somehow make peope partly synthetic then they should accept that toasters would be part ferret or whatever

Yeah, I was just dwelling on some ideas I've had in the past few days about the sexual implications of synthesis.
It makes me LOL

Im only saying "Klixen" and "Banshees"

Well you know me, I'm not picky

[Helios969]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

oh very much serious.. you get forced to make a decision that should be left to gods...
i would say no war and no death is a pretty unselfish choice.

Yep, and Krogan crap bars of gold and fart rainbows of joy.

[jstme]

Yes, removing from existance entire form of ,well, existance is obviously a moral choice.
Because:
a) It is a favoured option of Catalyst, the one responsible for murder of all those previous cycles.
It does not prevent future conflicts one bit.
c) Digitalised ant is so much happier now, it can read 9gag via wifi.
d) It is ,like, evolving. Look at ©.
e)Destroy is a slap in the non-existing face of liquid goo that is stored in reaper cans. After being murdered by those reapers. Again,destroying those reapers and their controler/author of a solution is a slap in the goo!
Destroying entire form of existance however,following further solutions of Catalyst and living with reapers side by side happily ever after until Catalyst finds yet another solution  is clearly what this goo would have wanted. I mean - look at Javik. He should be in that goo.

Modifié par jstme, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .

[vixvicco]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

Priss Blackburne wrote...

Synthesis rewrites every living thing into something completely different from themselves. You are rewriting an entire galaxy, new species forming on unexplored worlds not even getting a chance to form their own societies or identities without being bombarded with knowledge beyond their comprehension.

It's the concept that for there to be peace everyone must be the exact same.

Synthesis sounds like a Utopia ending for a perfect society. But imposing it onto an entire universe without their consent is not the ethical thing to do. I cannot choose this ending for the underling currents of what the choice implies.

I must point out as well that all the endings have BIG Ethical problems with them. It's what makes them so fiercely debatable.

 it never says anything about everyone becoming " the same" it says every living being and every synthetic being will understand...
 its not racial cleansing..
 i cant believe people can parallel it to a situation like the holocaust... wow.
 im not criticising you poster, im just adding on to the comment. i know thats not what you are saying, but others do.

I agree with one thing you said. The holocaust comparisons are offensive. Some people on these forums are either immature or pea-brained. Somebody also compared one of the choices/geth or something to black slaves in America(back in the day...)or something like that. I don't like when people downplay real life events to prove a point. Plus, its not that serious a debate. 
I don't have a problem with Synthesis because of the DNA manipulation, my issue is the fact that the Reapers are pretty much given a free pass. Like a get out of jail free card or something. They murdered millions/billions of people for centuries or however long, and in my opinion, they need to answer for that. Synthesis is fine if the Reapers could still get killed. Control is not even an option for me, hence I chose Destroy. Just my opinion.

[BatmanPWNS]

Sorry, I don't want to brainwashed into thinking that I enjoy being half synthetic and half organic. I want to live as full organic and if you change me against my will, why should I be happy?

[Darksaberexile]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Sorry, I don't want to brainwashed into thinking that I enjoy being half synthetic and half organic. I want to live as full organic and if you change me against my will, why should I be happy?

Because Synthesis will force you to accept that consensus, just like everyone else. Otherwise people with a viewpoint like yours (and me, since I also like being organic and wouldn't like being forced to be changed because someone decided it sounded nice) would be a potential source of conflict and destruction. Synthesis is implied to end conflict in the galaxy and create a utopia. However, to remove conflict, it would have to collectively brainwash everyone in the galaxy into accepting the idea that this new form was desirable and good.


The more I think about it, the less I like Synthesis. And I didn't like it initially. 

*shoots the tube*

[nhsknudsen]

Previous cycles failed, should've fought harder, ******

[AresKeith]

jokes on you I picked Destroy

[CronoDragoon]

I'm sure the previous cycles are happy that you did what the Reapers wanted so that your cycle could live.

@

[Krunjar]

I am with Ieldra2 on this one. Let's just stop trying to soapbox our own favorite ending and trash other endings kk? All it results in is the same tired old arguments over and over again.

This is actually REALLY childish if you think about it I mean we are arguing because someone else wanted to pick a different ending than we did! I mean COME ON it dousn't matter how strongly the endings made you feel if you did that for any other game someone would definately give you a smack on the bottom and sit you on the naughty stool. Probably assuming you where like ... 5.

Modifié par Krunjar, 06 juillet 2012 - 04:06 .

[Crysis I]

some people on these forums have strange views O.o