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[res27772]

OK, so last night I finished my umpteenth playthru of ME2... but I had my first "Huh?" moment in what seems like forever with the game.

I did the usual... finished all the main, side, loyalty and DLC quests, to make sure I went in with everything done... yet, for reasons I can't figure out both Tali and Grunt died - the first time ever I've lost those two (except for the time I deliberately didn't upgrade the ship or do their quests).

Anyone know what conditions must be met, or not met, for Tali and Grunt to bite the dust?  'Cuz I'm totally at a loss to explain it... The only things I did differently in this playthru were to destroy the Heretics and have Grunt in the team on the Suicide mission.

[PsiFive]

Grunt in which team on the Suicide Mission, yours or the Hold The Line team? Have you tried checking the Suicide Mission guide thread and working backwards from the result you got?

http://social.biowar...5/index/5855452

[The Twilight God]

res27772 wrote...

OK, so last night I finished my umpteenth playthru of ME2... but I had my first "Huh?" moment in what seems like forever with the game.

I did the usual... finished all the main, side, loyalty and DLC quests, to make sure I went in with everything done... yet, for reasons I can't figure out both Tali and Grunt died - the first time ever I've lost those two (except for the time I deliberately didn't upgrade the ship or do their quests).

Anyone know what conditions must be met, or not met, for Tali and Grunt to bite the dust?  'Cuz I'm totally at a loss to explain it... The only things I did differently in this playthru were to destroy the Heretics and have Grunt in the team on the Suicide mission.

That is weird. Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed have the most "toughness" points. If holding the line, a squaddie with less points would die first. Grunts presense on the line actually helps to keep "weaker" squaddies alive. Only way Grunt should die before anyone else not listed above is if unloyal and even then I think he has more points that the "weakest" squaddies so even then he'd probably live.

The only way a squaddie can die if taken to the terminator is if they were unloyal. Very weird. Sounds like your game bugged. Grunt would die loyal only if you made him a team leader, picked him as tech expert or gets taken by swarm.

[res27772]

^ Grunt was taken by the swarm - I had Miranda do the biotic field so I could take Samara and Garrus with me to face the Terminator. Tali died holding the line. I'd sent Mordin back with the crew.

How did I do it now....

Part 1: Vents
Tali = Tech expert
Garrus = Team 2 Leader
Grunt & Samara on my team.

Part 2: Long Walk
Mordin = Sent back with crew
Garrus = Team 2 Leader
Miranda = Biotic Field
Grunt & Samara on my team (Grunt taken by swarm)

Part 3: Boss Fight
Garrus & Samara on my team
The rest hold the line (Tali dies)

Modifié par res27772, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:19 .

[PsiFive]

res27772 wrote...

^ Grunt was taken by the swarm - I had Miranda do the biotic field so I could take Samara and Garrus with me to face the Terminator. Tali died holding the line. I'd sent Mordin back with the crew.

How did I do it now....

Part 1: Vents
Tali = Tech expert
Garrus = Team 2 Leader
Grunt & Samara on my team.

Part 2: Long Walk
Mordin = Sent back with crew
Garrus = Team 2 Leader
Miranda = Biotic Field
Grunt & Samara on my team (Grunt taken by swarm)

Part 3: Boss Fight
Garrus & Samara on my team
The rest hold the line (Tali dies)

Ah, there's the answer then. Tali survives in the vents as long as she's loyal and as long as the Team 2 leader is both loyal and a good choice, and since you said she died on HTL she must have been and Garrus is also a good option to lead team 2.

The root of your problem is in part 2 - Miranda is not an ideal choice to provide the biotic field and that means someone on your team will be taken by the seeker swarm. Grunt is fairly low down in the order in which the seekers take team members but since everyone above him is still with Garrus in Team 2 and since the o0nly other person with you, Samara, is below Grunt that's why Grunt dies. You'd be better off swapping Miranda and Samara's roles around so Samara provides the field and Miranda for support, though Jack is also a good choice to provide the field. So's Morinth if you have her rather than Samara. Absolutely anyone else, or any of those if they're not loyal, and one of your two squadmates will die.

Since that meant losing Grunt in your playthrough you didn't have his big defence score for the Hold The Line team, and since you also chose to take one of the other big hitters, Garrus, with you to fight the final boss that meant the team's combined score was too low to keep everyone alive. It would normally have killed Mordin but he was saved by the decision to send him back with the Normandy crew, and since Tali was next on the doomed list she copped it instead.

I haven't done the maths but TBH I'm a little surprised you didn't lose Kasumi if you've got her or Jack as well since the HTL team was missing both Grunt and Garrus, which is two out of the three characters with high scores (the third is Zaeed and being DLC I don't know if you've got him or not), but since only Tali died your score must have been just high enough to keep the rest alive. If you want to go again and keep everyone alive then you need to ditch Miranda as the biotic field specialist and possibly consider leaving both Grunt and Garrus in the HTL team.

[The Twilight God]

res27772 wrote...

^ Grunt was taken by the swarm - I had Miranda do the biotic field so I could take Samara and Garrus with me to face the Terminator. Tali died holding the line. I'd sent Mordin back with the crew.

How did I do it now....

Part 1: Vents
Tali = Tech expert
Garrus = Team 2 Leader
Grunt & Samara on my team.

Part 2: Long Walk
Mordin = Sent back with crew
Garrus = Team 2 Leader
Miranda = Biotic Field
Grunt & Samara on my team (Grunt taken by swarm)

Part 3: Boss Fight
Garrus & Samara on my team
The rest hold the line (Tali dies)

Aha.

Remember, you got Jack and Samara because of their Biotics. Miranda, Jacob, Thane aren't the best biotics. Since Miranda is only suited to lead one of the people in your group get taken when she fails at the end. I think it's whoever is in slot 2 so it could have been Samara or Grunt. Which is interesting because you'd think another biotic like Samara would just pick up Miranda's slack in real life:) The idea of alternating never came into anyone's head.

With Grunt and Garrus off the Line you team's total "toughness" dropped below the threshold so someone died. Tali, Jack and Mordin have the lowest "toughness" so they will be the first to die loyal or not. Mordin would have died, but Tali is next followed by Jack, I believe, in Hold the Line death order.