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[KiwiQuiche]

Topic probably been and done but what the hey

So I'm replay Dragon Age Origins for the first time in about a year and I'm enjoying it a lot. Not the godawful combat though
One thing I totally adored about DAO was that; the origins. You met people who you didn't care about then played a different origin and "hey, don't know you?" I also loved how characters reacted to your chosen origin. Examples;

My first playthrough was a Dalish Elf; so needless to say I was a racist snob to every shem and non-Dalish elf I met. Likewise, many humans didn't like my...elfiness and reacted as such. Then I was a Human Noble and oh hey, you guys are nice!

Played as a Royal Dwarf Noble and was all 'WTF are you doing in my brothers room, you tramp?" when I first met Rica than I played Dwarf Commoner and it was all "HEY SIS"
Also, returning to Orzammar as a Exiled Noble; man were some of those Dwarves nasty to me, spitting kin-slayer and whatnot XD

Then the City Elf...heck, most of that quest changes with your gender. Awesome origin, I loved it so much, including shanking that bastard noble in the end. Then telling the King about how you killed the earl son for raping your friend. His "D: what?!" reaction was hilarious.

The Magi origin was probably the best...First time I played it I stayed low, next I ratted Jowan out to Irving and that certainly changed a lot. Heck I was all "Hey, haven't I met you?" when I first met Jowan and dismissed it as nothing. Then oh no wait, he showed up in Redcliff.

Just these made me love Dragon Age Origins so much; how characters react to your race, meeting family members and friends in jails (Honestly why do they always end up there) being treated due to race/gender (Sten's "I don't understand, you are a woman" convo was hilarious) and meeting minor characters in a different light with them (such as Jowan and Rica. Also, all the other nobles acknowledging my Human Nobele was neat.)

Then came Dragon Age 2, where you were a kinda stuck in your origin. While you could switch between Mage/Warrior/Rogue, it really didn't matter much, aside from a few dialogues and a few cutscenes (like that Rogue murderknife scene which is awesome) but on the whole it had ALOT less of an impact. Personally, I wanted to be able to play as another race humans are too mainstream but I couldn't.

ACTUAL QUESTION APPROACHING

So, in Dragon Age 3, do you want there to be origins? Do you want to be able to pick your race/orientation?

Races which I would like to be able to pick from:
Human, elf, dwarf, qunari, mabari.

Origins I would like: (just random musings lol)

Tevinter Mage - Archeon's daughter/son.
Seriously, I wanna be the Big Bad Wolf, someone who attacks the south during the mage-templar war to expand territory and to free more mages. I want to own slaves and murderknife anyone who dissagrees with my dissengenous assertions. I wanna gossip with the Black Divine and be a \\nutcase who consorts with demons.

Surface Dwarf.
As it says, specifically one who is a merchant, or in a large merchant family who deals with a bug chunk of the Lyrium trade upon the surface, which means you could get accosted by both mage and templar, either trying to vie for your family's aid or attempting to blackmail/bully your family into compliance. Thus you have to go sort all that crap out.

Templar Human.
Kinda of a given. Would be neat having to hunt down apostates, getting attacked by blood mages everywhere and even verbally berated by civilians. Then you could choose to be like Thrask and be....more kind to mages, or be a loony and maybe even Tranquill a few that you catch.



Probably make some more when I can think some up...

[Chaos Lord Malek]

No.

Its a waste of resources. Better to have another big quest like Sacred Ashes, with two big choices.

But we could have backstories (if the character and story allows it) - similar to NWN 2, but more deeper and with better effects.

[Angelo2027]

I would love to have a Origins because that was one of the things that the people like about DA it really feels like the character is yours.

[cJohnOne]

I was interested in class origins(mage, warrior and rogue) but that might be limiting to roleplaying so I'm not sure what I want.

[Cimeas]

Origins don't add much development time. Firstly they are set in areas the players visits during the game anyway, and secondly they are only 40 minutes long, so even a full 6 would only be 4 hours out of a 40 hour game and have nice replay value.

[Toki]

Hell yes. They aren't necessary of course, but man did I love them. If we're going to get to play as more than a human then I would assume that they would. If we get race choices, then I think we should origin choices, honestly. Just would feel nice, I suppose.

[LolaLei]

If we can't get proper origins like in DA:O with the races etc, then 3 prologues/origins for class system (mage/warrior/rogue) would be cool. I really missed being able to experience a little of what Hawke's life was like prior to the sh!t storm in DA2.

[hero 2]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

No.

Its a waste of resources.

^^This.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't really see the need for Origins. I saw DAO's origins as a restriction of player choice when compared to BioWare's traditional mysterious stranger opening.

I'd rather a return to the mysterious stranger.

And if they did use origins again, I would like one of those origins to be a mysterious stranger so I could write the background myself.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:37 .

[Iosev]

Personally, I would rather see each class archetype (i.e., warrior, rogue, and mage) have more distinct playthroughs from each other, rather than simply implement origins again. 

For example, in Act I, the mage playthrough might heavily involve the player interacting with magi rebels and allies (e.g., Rhys, Evangeline, etc.). The warrior playthrough, on the other hand, would have the player interacting with templars and/or seekers, such as Cassandra. Finally, the rogue playthrough could start out entrenched in the Orlesian civil war (or in contrast, the rogue origin could involve profiteering from the wars, and thus might have the player interact with pirates and raiders, such as Isabela).

Eventually each class's story will intersect with the other classes' NPCs (e.g., mage origin eventually meeting the seekers, warrior origin eventually meeting Rhys, mage and warrior stories both interact with the Orlesian civil war, and rogue origin eventually getting mixed up in the magi rebellion).

Modifié par arcelonious, 07 juillet 2012 - 12:04 .

[Jerrybnsn]

I expect Origins for DA3.

[Jerrybnsn]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

No.

Its a waste of resources. Better to have another big quest like Sacred Ashes, with two big choices.

Resources, smeeshsources.  Well, they saved a heck of a lot of resources on DA2 and it failed.  Origins are great, they need to put them in.

[Plaintiff]

I don't really care either way. The different origins added very little to the game for me. I barely touched the elf and mage origins, and the dwarf origins not at all, but I did not see any changes worth noting. Overall, the world treats you same no matter what.

For me to give a crap, playing a different race would have to provide a SIGNIFICANTLY different experience, and no game I've played has ever managed that yet. If the lore says that my race is a disenfranchised minority that everyone hates, then I expect that to be reflected more accurately.

I know, I know "origins provide a backstory for your character, blah blah blah!" Well, big deal. MOST games provide a backstory for the protagonist, you just don't get to choose what it is.

[Kaidan Fan]

I liked the origins.  I also liked how if you were playing one background you would hear of the others throughout the story.  It was interesting.  

So, yes.  I would like to see it return in DA3.

[LobselVith8]

I would like to be able to create protagonists from different backgrounds, and not simply have one pre-made protagonist. Perhaps giving us the choice in a rebel mage or templar background as two possibilities.

[Everwarden]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
But we could have backstories (if the character and story allows it) - similar to NWN 2, but more deeper and with better effects.

I think that's an entirely reasonable compromise.

If you play a mage maybe you could choose between being a chantry pet or a blood mage, and that could change a lot of dialogue without taking a lot of resources to actually play through the experience of becoming either. 

[GodWood]

Seeing that DA2 barely managed to have one origin, I doubt they will.

I'd like it if they did though.

Plaintiff wrote...
For me to give a crap, playing a different race would have to provide a SIGNIFICANTLY different experience, and no game I've played has ever managed that yet.

The DA:O origins did do this. A dwarf commoner has a fundamentally different worldview compared to a human noble.

[Plaintiff]

GodWood wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
For me to give a crap, playing a different race would have to provide a SIGNIFICANTLY different experience, and no game I've played has ever managed that yet.

The DA:O origins did do this. A dwarf commoner has a fundamentally different worldview compared to a human noble.

Oh lord, here we go again. "I was able to imagine it, so it's in the game!".

No. No it isn't.

None of the protagonists have any worldview except what the player gives them, and the worldview of the protagonist is irrelevent. I expect a stronger reaction from the game. Once the Origin is complete, and you have been inducted into the Wardens, the only acnowledgement given to your Origin by other characters and the world around you is extremely minor.

[GodWood]

Plaintiff wrote...
Oh lord, here we go again. "I was able to imagine it, so it's in the game!".

No. No it isn't.

None of the protagonists have any worldview except what the player gives them,

Are you new to RPGs?

and the worldview of the protagonist is irrelevent.

....

Are you new to RPGs? 

I expect a stronger reaction from the game. Once the Origin is complete, and you have been inducted into the Wardens, the only acnowledgement given to your Origin by other characters and the world around you is extremely minor

Such things can be improved upon certainly but are for the most part inconsequential in comparison to the more important benefits it brings. I.e. Allowing the player to have a wider array of potential backgrounds and worldviews for their PC.

[KiwiQuiche]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

No.

Its a waste of resources. Better to have another big quest like Sacred Ashes, with two big choices.

Resources, smeeshsources.  Well, they saved a heck of a lot of resources on DA2 and it failed.  Origins are great, they need to put them in.

This. Honestly, DA2 cut corners everywhere and it was still lousy in so many places.

Personally, I would really love a qunari Origin. Especially a female, since they don't really leave Par Vollen or their homeland so it would be awesome to see peoples reactions.

Not to sure how they could do a qunari mage; maybe your party gets attacked and your leash broken, kinda like Ketojan? But you can try and move on, or something...?

[Plaintiff]

GodWood wrote...

Are you new to RPGs?

No, I just don't care that much about them.

....

Are you new to RPGs?

Irrelevent to my argument, herp derp derp. I'm not talking about the potential number of varying worldviews for the protagonist and I never was, so bringing it up is irrelevent.

Me: "I wish this restaurant served steak."

You: "What are you talking about? Look at all the flavours of ice-cream!"

Me: "Who gives a **** about ice-cream? I want steak"

Such things can be improved upon certainly but are for the most part inconsequential in comparison to the more important benefits it brings. I.e. Allowing the player to have a wider array of potential backgrounds and worldviews for their PC.

You already have an infinite number of backgrounds and worldviews because they only exist in the privacy of your own head. If anything the Origins limited your roleplaying capabilities by forcing you to choose between six broadly pre-defined ones, rather than allowing you to imagine your own entirely.

Giving you only one Origin, as DA2 does, isn't much more or less limiting than the six that Origins provided, because either way, you're just making stuff up, which the game neither supports nor contradicts. I can say that, during his stint at Ostagar, my rogue Hawke moonlighted as a male prostitute, turning tricks behind the healing tents. The events of both games can neither confirm or deny this, so it's a perfectly valid interpretation.

The game doesn't need to "allow" you to do anything. You had that freedom all along.

[KAM12780]

 I always wanted to play a Dalish Mage. Unfortunately we couldn't. I wanted to Roleplay a DE with Keeper as my Specialization! 
Is that what I would love? Of course! Will it happen? No..

Modifié par KAM12780, 07 juillet 2012 - 04:23 .